Official Draft Thread 2015-16

Andrew McCeltic · Post #861 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Tue Jan 5, 2016 7:29 pm

tl;dr: currently .5 a game in the standings = 6 draft spots.

Post #862 » by **Duke4life831** » Tue Jan 5, 2016 7:42 pm

I'm a massive Justise Winslow fan. And I think he already makes any team better because of his motor and defense. But you guys could've got a good player with the 16th pick. I don't get what happened with the Rozier pick, guys like Jerian Grant, Justin Anderson, Hollis Jefferson, Bobby Portis were all available and would've been smarter choices. Hell RJ Hunter should've gone before Rozier. I think making the playoffs was a smart choice and would've been even smarter if you guys didn't blow that pick.

When it comes to this year, you guys really need that 1st or 2nd pick. You guys have plenty of good starters and role players. You guys need someone who has the potential to be an all star or maybe more and there are only 2 guys in this draft with that potential. This is a very very weak draft, if you guys can't get one of the 2 top picks, I'm expecting Ainge is going to try and make a big trade

Stadium5 · Post #863 » by **Stadium5** » Tue Jan 5, 2016 7:46 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:I'm a massive Justise Winslow fan. And I think he already makes any team better because of his motor and defense. But you guys could've got a good player with the 16th pick. I don't get what happened with the Rozier pick, guys like Jerian Grant, Justin Anderson, Hollis Jefferson, Bobby Portis were all available and would've been smarter choices. Hell RJ Hunter should've gone before Rozier. I think making the playoffs was a smart choice and would've been even smarter if you guys didn't blow that pick.

When it comes to this year, you guys really need that 1st or 2nd pick. You guys have plenty of good starters and role players. You guys need someone who has the potential to be an all star or maybe more and there are only 2 guys in this draft with that potential. This is a very very weak draft, if you guys can't get one of the 2 top picks, I'm expecting Ainge is going to try and make a big trade

Agreed 100%. I wasn't happy that we didn't end up with a top 10 pick, as I wanted Stanley or Winslow. But we definitely could've and should've done better at 16. Draft day I was hoping for Anderson, RHJ, or Portis. But predictable "God of GM" Ainge just haddddd to go get another undersized combo guard. It sucks so **** bad

Post #864 » by **Duke4life831** » Tue Jan 5, 2016 7:57 pm

You guys have 3 first round picks this year correct? The Nets, your own and Dallas right? If so and you don't get either 1 or 2. The 3 first rounders would be a waste. You guys would just get a couple more solid rotation guys, but you guys have that in spades. That's why I think Ainge will try to trade those picks for a proven star or try to get draft picks for 2017 where that draft has 5+ guys that have superstar potential

Edug27 · Post #865 » by **Edug27** » Tue Jan 5, 2016 8:04 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:That's why I think Ainge will try to trade those picks for a proven star

That line has been thrown around for a couple years now. It was the plan last summer and the summer before that. But it's not that easy. Aside from potentially Cousins, what other proven stars would be available in the next couple weeks/months. With a team that's looking to rebuild through the draft. Melo? Eh.

jmr07019 · Post #866 » by **jmr07019** » Tue Jan 5, 2016 8:09 pm

Stadium5 wrote:Let me know if the below sentence shows up blank since most of this board loves to ignore it

The Celtics could have retained all their players and still developed the young ones while soft tanking for a top pick

Re: boldest sentance. No we couldn't have. If IT and Crowder are on the team the most tanking we could have done would be to cut Prince instead of sending him for JJ and Datome and cut Bass. We would have missed the playoffs and picked 12th or 13th instead of 16.

Edug27 · Post #867 » by **Edug27** » Tue Jan 5, 2016 8:11 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:I'm a massive Justise Winslow fan. And I think he already makes any team better because of his motor and defense. But you guys could've got a good player with the 16th pick. I don't get what happened with the Rozier pick, guys like Jerian Grant, Justin Anderson, Hollis Jefferson, Bobby Portis were all available and would've been smarter choices. Hell RJ Hunter should've gone before Rozier. I think making the playoffs was a smart choice and would've been even smarter if you guys didn't blow that pick.

When it comes to this year, you guys really need that 1st or 2nd pick. You guys have plenty of good starters and role players. You guys need someone who has the potential to be an all star or maybe more and there are only 2 guys in this draft with that potential. This is a very very weak draft, if you guys can't get one of the 2 top picks, I'm expecting Ainge is going to try and make a big trade

I hear you. But you can't blow a pick by not selecting names like Jerian Grant or Justin Anderson. Neither are very good players either. Hollis Jefferson I get, but we have enough high motor defensive guys. I think you can find yourself a RHJ in most drafts.

Edug27 · Post #868 » by **Edug27** » Tue Jan 5, 2016 8:13 pm

Stadium5 wrote:Let me know if the below sentence shows up blank since most of this board loves to ignore it

The Celtics could have retained all their players and still developed the young ones while soft tanking for a top pick

Unfortunately it showed up. I think it's ignored for pretty good reasons.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #869 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Tue Jan 5, 2016 8:16 pm

I'm fine with the Rozier pick at 16.. Not fine with picking 16th and not 9th.. I actually buy their argument about Rozier having the most 'star' potential- even if he has a 25% chance of being a star, 20% chance of being a solid role-player, and a 55% chance of being a bust, versus Anderson having an 80% chance of being a valuable role-player, 20% bust.. I can understand taking the risk.

The whole problem is that we were choosing between Rozier, Portis, Justin Anderson etc. instead of choosing between Payne, Kaminsky, Turner, Winslow, Booker..

Stadium5 · Post #870 » by **Stadium5** » Tue Jan 5, 2016 8:17 pm

jmr07019 wrote:
Stadium5 wrote:Let me know if the below sentence shows up blank since most of this board loves to ignore it

The Celtics could have retained all their players and still developed the young ones while soft tanking for a top pick

Re: boldest sentance. No we couldn't have. If IT and Crowder are on the team the most tanking we could have done would be to cut Prince instead of sending him for JJ and Datome and cut Bass. We would have missed the playoffs and picked 12th or 13th instead of 16.

Crowder was a nobody at that point. They could have easily soft tanked. Move bradley (which was possible for a late first at the time). Sit players longer then they needed for ANY injury, bumps, or bruises. Rest people more than they should. They could have easily ended up with a top 10 pick

Post #871 » by **Duke4life831** » Tue Jan 5, 2016 8:17 pm

Edug27 wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:I'm a massive Justise Winslow fan. And I think he already makes any team better because of his motor and defense. But you guys could've got a good player with the 16th pick. I don't get what happened with the Rozier pick, guys like Jerian Grant, Justin Anderson, Hollis Jefferson, Bobby Portis were all available and would've been smarter choices. Hell RJ Hunter should've gone before Rozier. I think making the playoffs was a smart choice and would've been even smarter if you guys didn't blow that pick.

When it comes to this year, you guys really need that 1st or 2nd pick. You guys have plenty of good starters and role players. You guys need someone who has the potential to be an all star or maybe more and there are only 2 guys in this draft with that potential. This is a very very weak draft, if you guys can't get one of the 2 top picks, I'm expecting Ainge is going to try and make a big trade

I hear you. But you can't blow a pick by not selecting names like Jerian Grant or Justin Anderson. Neither are very good players either. Hollis Jefferson I get, but we have enough high motor defensive guys. I think you can find yourself a RHJ in most drafts.

I was talking about someone saying how you guys missed on Winslow. Winslow right now is just a defensive hustle guy. Statistically he is one of the worst offensive perimeter players who gets legit minutes.

Stadium5 · Post #872 » by **Stadium5** » Tue Jan 5, 2016 8:17 pm

Edug27 wrote:
Stadium5 wrote:Let me know if the below sentence shows up blank since most of this board loves to ignore it

The Celtics could have retained all their players and still developed the young ones while soft tanking for a top pick

Unfortunately it showed up. I think it's ignored for pretty good reasons.

Do explain

I always thought you were on my side of the fence so im surprised. But im interested in why you disagree

jmr07019 · Post #873 » by **jmr07019** » Tue Jan 5, 2016 8:23 pm

Stadium5 wrote:
jmr07019 wrote:
Stadium5 wrote:Let me know if the below sentence shows up blank since most of this board loves to ignore it

The Celtics could have retained all their players and still developed the young ones while soft tanking for a top pick

Re: boldest sentance. No we couldn't have. If IT and Crowder are on the team the most tanking we could have done would be to cut Prince instead of sending him for JJ and Datome and cut Bass. We would have missed the playoffs and picked 12th or 13th instead of 16.

Crowder was a nobody at that point. They could have easily soft tanked. Move bradley (which was possible for a late first at the time). Sit players longer then they needed for ANY injury, bumps, or bruises. Rest people more than they should. They could have easily ended up with a top 10 pick

You said retained all our players. Now you are trading Bradley. Ya we could have easily gotten a top 10 pick if we wanted but not if we still had IT, AB and Crodwer. If you opinion is a top 10 pick is more important than those guys fine but we weren't going to keep those guys and get a top 10 pick. Crowder went to every coach on our staff and asked if we were tanking. He obviously was a part of the turnaround last season.

Edug27 · Post #874 » by **Edug27** » Tue Jan 5, 2016 8:27 pm

Stadium5 wrote:
Edug27 wrote:
Stadium5 wrote:Let me know if the below sentence shows up blank since most of this board loves to ignore it

The Celtics could have retained all their players and still developed the young ones while soft tanking for a top pick

Unfortunately it showed up. I think it's ignored for pretty good reasons.

Do explain

I always thought you were on my side of the fence so im surprised. But im interested in why you disagree

I just don't think that statement is accurate... unless I'm reading it wrong.

I have no problem with those wanting Boston to tank. I also have no problem with those wanting to create a winning culture. But we saw this 2 years ago. If you are going to tank, then you have to do it properly. You can't have Brad Stevens, Crowder, IT, Bradley etc etc out there and expect to out-tank the Sixers, Lakers and others. Brad isn't going to ML Carr it up and squeeze out L's for us. The team is too good as is for a good pick, and not good enough to contend. In hindsight, I wish we could have kept Brad in college one more season, brought in a puppet coach and tanked properly for Wiggins... then brought in Brad the following season. But of course, life doesn't work that way.

Stadium5 · Post #875 » by **Stadium5** » Tue Jan 5, 2016 8:28 pm

jmr07019 wrote:
Stadium5 wrote:
jmr07019 wrote:
Re: boldest sentance. No we couldn't have. If IT and Crowder are on the team the most tanking we could have done would be to cut Prince instead of sending him for JJ and Datome and cut Bass. We would have missed the playoffs and picked 12th or 13th instead of 16.

Crowder was a nobody at that point. They could have easily soft tanked. Move bradley (which was possible for a late first at the time). Sit players longer then they needed for ANY injury, bumps, or bruises. Rest people more than they should. They could have easily ended up with a top 10 pick

You said retained all our players. Now you are trading Bradley. Ya we could have easily gotten a top 10 pick if we wanted but not if we still had IT, AB and Crodwer. If you opinion is a top 10 pick is more important than those guys fine but we weren't going to keep those guys and get a top 10 pick. Crowder went to every coach on our staff and asked if we were tanking. He obviously was a part of the turnaround last season.

Ok not all, Im talking about the crucial young players that we have..excluding Bradley because i dont think he's crucial at all and actually think he holds us back. Its not up to the coaches to tell the players theyre tanking, the players should never be the ones throwing the games. It needs to be conveyed from ainge down to the coaching staff

Edug27 · Post #876 » by **Edug27** » Tue Jan 5, 2016 8:29 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:
Edug27 wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:I'm a massive Justise Winslow fan. And I think he already makes any team better because of his motor and defense. But you guys could've got a good player with the 16th pick. I don't get what happened with the Rozier pick, guys like Jerian Grant, Justin Anderson, Hollis Jefferson, Bobby Portis were all available and would've been smarter choices. Hell RJ Hunter should've gone before Rozier. I think making the playoffs was a smart choice and would've been even smarter if you guys didn't blow that pick.

When it comes to this year, you guys really need that 1st or 2nd pick. You guys have plenty of good starters and role players. You guys need someone who has the potential to be an all star or maybe more and there are only 2 guys in this draft with that potential. This is a very very weak draft, if you guys can't get one of the 2 top picks, I'm expecting Ainge is going to try and make a big trade

I hear you. But you can't blow a pick by not selecting names like Jerian Grant or Justin Anderson. Neither are very good players either. Hollis Jefferson I get, but we have enough high motor defensive guys. I think you can find yourself a RHJ in most drafts.

I was talking about someone saying how you guys missed on Winslow. Winslow right now is just a defensive hustle guy. Statistically he is one of the worst offensive perimeter players who gets legit minutes.

I was referring to....

But you guys could've got a good player with the 16th pick. I don't get what happened with the Rozier pick, guys like Jerian Grant, Justin Anderson, Hollis Jefferson, Bobby Portis were all available and would've been smarter choices. Hell RJ Hunter should've gone before Rozier. I think making the playoffs was a smart choice and would've been even smarter if you guys didn't blow that pick.

Stadium5 · Post #877 » by **Stadium5** » Tue Jan 5, 2016 8:31 pm

Edug27 wrote:
Stadium5 wrote:
Edug27 wrote:
Unfortunately it showed up. I think it's ignored for pretty good reasons.

Do explain

I always thought you were on my side of the fence so im surprised. But im interested in why you disagree

I just don't think that statement is accurate... unless I'm reading it wrong.

I have no problem with those wanting Boston to tank. I also have no problem with those wanting to create a winning culture. But we saw this 2 years ago. If you are going to tank, then you have to do it properly. You can't have Brad Stevens, Crowder, IT, Bradley etc etc out there and expect to out-tank the Sixers, Lakers and others. Brad isn't going to ML Carr it up and squeeze out L's for us. The team is too good as is for a good pick, and not good enough to contend. In hindsight, I wish we could have kept Brad in college one more season, brought in a puppet coach and tanked properly for Wiggins... then brought in Brad the following season. But of course, life doesn't work that way.

Yea two years ago should have been the mega tank year, holding off on brad, etc...But last year they didnt need to out tank the sixers, hence the term "soft tank". They could have easily gotten to the 5-10 range had they done it right and had everyone in power with it on board. Ainge was too nervous and couldn't make a decision so he had one foot in the door while the other was out. I think that hurt us in the long run as the Cavs beatdown did zero for development

Edug27 · Post #878 » by **Edug27** » Tue Jan 5, 2016 8:37 pm

Stadium5 wrote:
Edug27 wrote:
Stadium5 wrote:Do explain

I always thought you were on my side of the fence so im surprised. But im interested in why you disagree

I just don't think that statement is accurate... unless I'm reading it wrong.

I have no problem with those wanting Boston to tank. I also have no problem with those wanting to create a winning culture. But we saw this 2 years ago. If you are going to tank, then you have to do it properly. You can't have Brad Stevens, Crowder, IT, Bradley etc etc out there and expect to out-tank the Sixers, Lakers and others. Brad isn't going to ML Carr it up and squeeze out L's for us. The team is too good as is for a good pick, and not good enough to contend. In hindsight, I wish we could have kept Brad in college one more season, brought in a puppet coach and tanked properly for Wiggins... then brought in Brad the following season. But of course, life doesn't work that way.

Yea two years ago should have been the mega tank year, holding off on brad, etc...But last year they didnt need to out tank the sixers, hence the term "soft tank". They could have easily gotten to the 5-10 range had they done it right and had everyone in power with it on board. Ainge was too nervous and couldn't make a decision so he had one foot in the door while the other was out. I think that hurt us in the long run as the Cavs beatdown did zero for development

What good would a 5-10 pick have really done us? Hezonja, WCS, Mudiay, Stanley, Kaminski, Winslow. None of those guys are franchise players. Unless Winslow turns into Khawi or something. We soft tanked and ended up with Marcus Smart. Bad enough. I guess I just don't see the point. We'll likely end up with another 5-10 pick this year.

Cornbread · Post #879 » by **Cornbread** » Tue Jan 5, 2016 8:55 pm

Edug27 wrote:
Stadium5 wrote:
Edug27 wrote:
I just don't think that statement is accurate... unless I'm reading it wrong.

I have no problem with those wanting Boston to tank. I also have no problem with those wanting to create a winning culture. But we saw this 2 years ago. If you are going to tank, then you have to do it properly. You can't have Brad Stevens, Crowder, IT, Bradley etc etc out there and expect to out-tank the Sixers, Lakers and others. Brad isn't going to ML Carr it up and squeeze out L's for us. The team is too good as is for a good pick, and not good enough to contend. In hindsight, I wish we could have kept Brad in college one more season, brought in a puppet coach and tanked properly for Wiggins... then brought in Brad the following season. But of course, life doesn't work that way.

Yea two years ago should have been the mega tank year, holding off on brad, etc...But last year they didnt need to out tank the sixers, hence the term "soft tank". They could have easily gotten to the 5-10 range had they done it right and had everyone in power with it on board. Ainge was too nervous and couldn't make a decision so he had one foot in the door while the other was out. I think that hurt us in the long run as the Cavs beatdown did zero for development

What good would a 5-10 pick have really done us? Hezonja, WCS, Mudiay, Stanley, Kaminski, Winslow. None of those guys are franchise players. Unless Winslow turns into Khawi or something. We soft tanked and ended up with Marcus Smart. Bad enough. I guess I just don't see the point. We'll likely end up with another 5-10 pick this year.

A 5-10 pick wouldn't have changed anything. The tankers just like to complain for the sake of complaining. If you add Winslow to this team instead of Rozier it changes very little in terms of our chances of winning a championship.

Edug27 · Post #880 » by **Edug27** » Tue Jan 5, 2016 8:56 pm

Cornbread wrote:
Edug27 wrote:
Stadium5 wrote:Yea two years ago should have been the mega tank year, holding off on brad, etc...But last year they didnt need to out tank the sixers, hence the term "soft tank". They could have easily gotten to the 5-10 range had they done it right and had everyone in power with it on board. Ainge was too nervous and couldn't make a decision so he had one foot in the door while the other was out. I think that hurt us in the long run as the Cavs beatdown did zero for development

What good would a 5-10 pick have really done us? Hezonja, WCS, Mudiay, Stanley, Kaminski, Winslow. None of those guys are franchise players. Unless Winslow turns into Khawi or something. We soft tanked and ended up with Marcus Smart. Bad enough. I guess I just don't see the point. We'll likely end up with another 5-10 pick this year.

A 5-10 pick wouldn't have changed anything. The tankers just like to complain for the sake of complaining. If you add Winslow to this team instead of Rozier it changes very little in terms of our chances of winning a championship.

And the minute Winslow makes a rookie mistake, Brad will bury him on the bench behind Jerebko.