Gordon Hayward Thread

[return2glory]

For all the criticism that Hayward got last night and deservedly so, less that a closer look.

Both Hayward and Brown played 22 minutes each.
Hayward 2 points, Brown 10 points.
Hayward 7 rebounds, Brown 2 rebounds.
Hayward 2 assists, Brown 0 assists.

Hayward has lost his jumping ability and some of his quickness. Yet he managed to grab 7 rebounds. Brown, he is supposedly a high flier, young, athlete and fast gets only 2 rebounds in the same minutes played as Hayward. Why is that? And a lot of people pointed out Hayward and Rozier were awful. Brown was lazy on both ends of the floor. Bad on the boards and 5 of his 8 shots were 3s.

[GuyClinch]

Trade Morris for a legit power forward. This will free up more minutes for Hayward. Hayward isn't really tradeable - so it all comes down to getting this guy to play like 50% of what he used to be. He needs to play with less fear. Sure his athleticism is way down - but he could play as well as say Saric at least.

[Marvel]

I don't think JB and Hayward like each other. That's my 2 cents.

[VCfor3]

One of Ainge's biggest priorities should be finding a way to dump Hayward contract. Probably an impossible task unfortunately.

Yes, he's untradeable. And what you see now is what you are going to get in the playoffs, and probably next year as well. It's not just that Hayward doesn't help, he affirmatively hurts with his poor shooting, defensive lapses and turnovers. They would be a better team with someone else on the floor. At some point Stevens will have to cut Hayward's minutes and play Ojeleye or Theis instead. Otherwise the Celtics can forget about beating good teams.

It's funny. We had someone post a trade recently of Marc Gasol for Hayward and quite a few Boston fans jumped on to say they'd never do that. Memphis fans said they'd need compensation.

[K For Three]

Gonna be funny when he lights the Warriors up a game in the finals and we end up winning the game because of it.

That would be me on Hayward Island when that happens...

[GuyClinch]

If you believe in Hayward you have to force feed him some. Yell at him when he is playing like a wuss. Clearly benching him does not put fire in his belly. The problem with marginalizing him is we don't have the talent.

JB, Morris, Rozier, etc can all outplay Hayward. But peak Hayward is way better then those guys. Without 'good' Hayward this team is not a threat. Reminds me of Doc Rivers. People hate Doc - but Doc would ride guys who were sucking but he felt had more talent. This is the opposite of a meritocracy. It's an old boy's club.

Can't run a team on just merit - because you end up benching guys like kyrie - who was off at the start of the season..

[K For Three]

Gordon plays at a slower pace then Terry/Brown. Brown/Rozier can play like bulls in a China shop. It's not a great match with the bench.

[K For Three]

What........is.........this?

https://www.celticsblog.com/2019/1/27/18199617/anonymous-warriors-player-tells-jeff-goodman-gordon-hayward-is-a-liability-on-both-ends-of-court

“I talked to a Warriors player who told me, ‘listen, Gordon Hayward is not Gordon Hayward right now,’ said Goodman on the Garden Report. He’s hurting them.’ the Anonymous player continued. ‘He’s a liability on both ends of the court.’ ‘

Goodman also said the same Warrior player told him that the Celtics ‘needed to make a move,’ suggesting that this current group of players doesn’t have what it needs to compete with the likes of the Warriors.

[thelarrybirdx]

For all the criticism that Hayward got last night and deservedly so, less that a closer look.

Both Hayward and Brown played 22 minutes each.
Hayward 2 points, Brown 10 points.
Hayward 7 rebounds, Brown 2 rebounds.
Hayward 2 assists, Brown 0 assists.

Hayward has lost his jumping ability and some of his quickness. Yet he managed to grab 7 rebounds. Brown, he is supposedly a high flier, young, athlete and fast gets only 2 rebounds in the same minutes played as Hayward. Why is that? And a lot of people pointed out Hayward and Rozier were awful. Brown was lazy on both ends of the floor. Bad on the boards and 5 of his 8 shots were 3s.

It's not about Hayward vs. Brown. Let's stop comparing him to other players. No matter how you word it, he was absolutely terrible last night. Possibly his worst game in a Celtics uniform.

[thelarrybirdx]

What........is.........this?

https://www.celticsblog.com/2019/1/27/18199617/anonymous-warriors-player-tells-jeff-goodman-gordon-hayward-is-a-liability-on-both-ends-of-court

“I talked to a Warriors player who told me, ‘listen, Gordon Hayward is not Gordon Hayward right now,’ said Goodman on the Garden Report. He’s hurting them.’ the Anonymous player continued. ‘He’s a liability on both ends of the court.’ ‘

Goodman also said the same Warrior player told him that the Celtics ‘needed to make a move,’ suggesting that this current group of players doesn’t have what it needs to compete with the likes of the Warriors.

What's the problem here? He's 100% right.

[K For Three]

What........is.........this?

https://www.celticsblog.com/2019/1/27/18199617/anonymous-warriors-player-tells-jeff-goodman-gordon-hayward-is-a-liability-on-both-ends-of-court

“I talked to a Warriors player who told me, ‘listen, Gordon Hayward is not Gordon Hayward right now,’ said Goodman on the Garden Report. He’s hurting them.’ the Anonymous player continued. ‘He’s a liability on both ends of the court.’ ‘

Goodman also said the same Warrior player told him that the Celtics ‘needed to make a move,’ suggesting that this current group of players doesn’t have what it needs to compete with the likes of the Warriors.

What's the problem here? He's 100% right.

I don't have a problem but yeah I admit it hurts.

[celticfan42487]

What........is.........this?

https://www.celticsblog.com/2019/1/27/18199617/anonymous-warriors-player-tells-jeff-goodman-gordon-hayward-is-a-liability-on-both-ends-of-court

“I talked to a Warriors player who told me, ‘listen, Gordon Hayward is not Gordon Hayward right now,’ said Goodman on the Garden Report. He’s hurting them.’ the Anonymous player continued. ‘He’s a liability on both ends of the court.’ ‘

Goodman also said the same Warrior player told him that the Celtics ‘needed to make a move,’ suggesting that this current group of players doesn’t have what it needs to compete with the likes of the Warriors.

What's the problem here? He's 100% right.

Right?

Broken Hayward has been this the entire season. Slow, hurts the entire team on the court because he can move in an era when you need athelticism and speed on offense and defense.

He's hurting the entire team with every minute he plays.

Maybe he'll be better next year, but he was barely and all-star at his peak, and now he's just a random bench player level player.

Oh well. I would say it'd be best to trick someone into getting his contract off the books but with Irving and Horford on the team I don't think there's a chance to get enough below the cap to make it matter.

[Dave_From_NB]

Hindsight is always easy. However in hindsight, how absurd was the thought that Hayward would return in last seasons playoffs?

[thelarrybirdx]

What........is.........this?

https://www.celticsblog.com/2019/1/27/18199617/anonymous-warriors-player-tells-jeff-goodman-gordon-hayward-is-a-liability-on-both-ends-of-court

What's the problem here? He's 100% right.

Right?

Broken Hayward has been this the entire season. Slow, hurts the entire team on the court because he can move in an era when you need athelticism and speed on offense and defense.

He's hurting the entire team with every minute he plays.

Maybe he'll be better next year, but he was barely and all-star at his peak, and now he's just a random bench player level player.

Oh well. I would say it'd be best to trick someone into getting his contract off the books but with Irving and Horford on the team I don't think there's a chance to get enough below the cap to make it matter.

Bingo

[CelticsPride18]

The dude snapped his ankle in half last season. All this talk about getting rid of the contract is pretty ridiculous. We shouldn’t waste assets to dump his contract. Although he’s slow and has no lift he’s still more of a positive than anyone on our bench. I think he needs a full summer of 5 on 5 to hopefully get some of his athleticism back.

[celticfan42487]

The dude snapped his ankle in half last season. All this talk about getting rid of the contract is pretty ridiculous. We shouldn’t waste assets to dump his contract. Although he’s slow and has no lift he’s still more of a positive than anyone on our bench. I think he needs a full summer of 5 on 5 to hopefully get some of his athleticism back.

Agreed, there's nothind we can do but keep him.

No NBA team wants him. No rebuilding team wants to be saddles with the worst contract in the NBA on the off chance they can sign someone, or the off chance one of their young guys development is stunted by force feeding Hayward minutes.

Nothing we can do, we got screwed and would have been a championship contender today and last year if we got Blake Griffin instead. But that's how the fates go.

Maybe Hayward can bounce back next season and at least be a Wally Scz(whocares) player for the Cs.

[K For Three]

Worst injury I have ever seen in sports and we are still feeling the effects.

His ankle literally snapped in half and bent sideways. Kyrie was sobbing in Smart's arms. Jaylen was walking away with his hands on his head and jaw dropped. Wade was praying. Lebron was shook up.

I mean what the hell?

And yeah I hate to relive it but it is therapeutic lol.

I still at times cannot even believe it happened.

But it happened. First quarter of the season OPENER.

[shawn unkempt]

The team needs to do something. Give him time off to rebuild some strength in his leg and ankle or something, we can't keep putting him out there like this. He hasn't made any progression at all since opening night, it's clear it's not going to magically click. Over half way through the damn season and he still looks like a little kid playing against grown men. I'm tired of watching this.

[CelticsPride18]

The dude snapped his ankle in half last season. All this talk about getting rid of the contract is pretty ridiculous. We shouldn’t waste assets to dump his contract. Although he’s slow and has no lift he’s still more of a positive than anyone on our bench. I think he needs a full summer of 5 on 5 to hopefully get some of his athleticism back.

Agreed, there's nothind we can do but keep him.

No NBA team wants him. No rebuilding team wants to be saddles with the worst contract in the NBA on the off chance they can sign someone, or the off chance one of their young guys development is stunted by force feeding Hayward minutes.

Nothing we can do, we got screwed and would have been a championship contender today and last year if we got Blake Griffin instead. But that's how the fates go.

Maybe Hayward can bounce back next season and at least be a Wally Scz(whocares) player for the Cs.

Hindsight is 20/20. Blake didn’t get to free agency because he resigned before it started. Also Hayward was coming of a really good season and a playoffs run. Griffin was coming of 3 injury riddled seasons. Going after Hayward was the right move he was a great fit next to IT(later it was Kyrie) and Horford. We needed that secondary scorer and playmaking next to those 2 players.

[Dave_From_NB]

Worst injury I have ever seen in sports and we are still feeling the effects.

His ankle literally snapped in half and bent sideways. Kyrie was sobbing in Smart's arms. Jaylen was walking away with his hands on his head and jaw dropped. Wade was praying. Lebron was shook up.

I mean what the hell?

And yeah I hate to relive it but it is therapeutic lol.

I still at times cannot even believe it happened.

But it happened. First quarter of the season OPENER.

I hold my breath every time he drives to the basket. I can't imagine what would be going through HIS head when he is doing it.