Trade Ideas Thread

[hugepatsfan]

MIL is not trading Giannis this offseason. But it wouldn’t necessarily be impossible to sign him in FA via S&T. That’s how GS is planning to pursue him, they’re stacking picks so they can offer Wiggins’s salary plus youth to MIL for him.

MIL won’t have a ton of say if Giannis tells them “S&T me to X team or I’m signing with Miami/DAllas outright. MIL will have to decide if whatever package being offered is worth it. Would they rather lose him for nothing or get a bunch of picks for taking on Wiggins? Probably the latter.

For us, we’d have to re-sign Hayward to an extension now. Then next year we could recruit Giannis and go to Golden Stye and offer Hayward as salary in S&T packaged with a bunch of picks/youth. Maybe they go for it.

Hayward’s future salary being able to be part of a trade is just another reason to sign him to an extension IMO. He’ll be easier to trade once he extends than he is now.

[Ernest]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the problem with Hayward is if he leaves (opts out and goes, or plays 1 more year and walks) we can't really replace him as we are already over the cap right? So IF we don't want to over pay, and he is not willing to take a friendly deal, anything we get for him is a win compared to him opting out and leaving. Right?

That is basically the point of this entire thread, if I understand it correctly

Ok me too. I feel like there is some really hard truth here. I keep hearing people say if only Haywrd would take a deal for 20-30% less than he gets no it would all be good. Hard truth: He is not worth 10 million a year. I'm sorry to be the one to say it. He has never played like a 20 or 30 million dollar player in boston and he has got hurt twice and missed half his time here. I'm sorry. I know he is a nice guy. Heck- as a short white American guy there IS something special about seeing someone that looks halfway like you do well in the NBA. But the idea of getting him to take anything slightly less than what we are paying him now and calling it a win?? No. It was a bad contract his first game when he got hurt. I'm really sorry to say this but it is true.


My idea, look for teams way under the cap that for whatever reason think they could be good. Trade him there for future picks. We don't need anything now. I think we will sweep the raptors, beat the bucks and 50-50 on a title. I'm optimistic. If we can do half of that we can get vets to sign vet min contract here again.

No hard feelings to Gordon. I'm really sorry it didn't work out better. Business is business.

[djFan71]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the problem with Hayward is if he leaves (opts out and goes, or plays 1 more year and walks) we can't really replace him as we are already over the cap right? So IF we don't want to over pay, and he is not willing to take a friendly deal, anything we get for him is a win compared to him opting out and leaving. Right?

That is basically the point of this entire thread, if I understand it correctly

Ok me too. I feel like there is some really hard truth here. I keep hearing people say if only Haywrd would take a deal for 20-30% less than he gets no it would all be good. Hard truth: He is not worth 10 million a year. I'm sorry to be the one to say it. He has never played like a 20 or 30 million dollar player in boston and he has got hurt twice and missed half his time here. I'm sorry. I know he is a nice guy. Heck- as a short white American guy there IS something special about seeing someone that looks halfway like you do well in the NBA. But the idea of getting him to take anything slightly less than what we are paying him now and calling it a win?? No. It was a bad contract his first game when he got hurt. I'm really sorry to say this but it is true.


My idea, look for teams way under the cap that for whatever reason think they could be good. Trade him there for future picks. We don't need anything now. I think we will sweep the raptors, beat the bucks and 50-50 on a title. I'm optimistic. If we can do half of that we can get vets to sign vet min contract here again.

No hard feelings to Gordon. I'm really sorry it didn't work out better. Business is business.

He definitely hasn't lived up to his contract - that's a given. But, this year he has been really good. 17.5/6.7/4.1, 38% from 3 on 4.3 attempts - as a guy feeding off leftovers. If that player hits the open market, they get $25M+ easily. Given his age & injury history and the fact that you don't necessarily need that good a 4th player or want to pay that much, sure you go lower. But, $10M is laughable - that's MLE money.

[Ernest]

That is basically the point of this entire thread, if I understand it correctly

Ok me too. I feel like there is some really hard truth here. I keep hearing people say if only Haywrd would take a deal for 20-30% less than he gets no it would all be good. Hard truth: He is not worth 10 million a year. I'm sorry to be the one to say it. He has never played like a 20 or 30 million dollar player in boston and he has got hurt twice and missed half his time here. I'm sorry. I know he is a nice guy. Heck- as a short white American guy there IS something special about seeing someone that looks halfway like you do well in the NBA. But the idea of getting him to take anything slightly less than what we are paying him now and calling it a win?? No. It was a bad contract his first game when he got hurt. I'm really sorry to say this but it is true.


My idea, look for teams way under the cap that for whatever reason think they could be good. Trade him there for future picks. We don't need anything now. I think we will sweep the raptors, beat the bucks and 50-50 on a title. I'm optimistic. If we can do half of that we can get vets to sign vet min contract here again.

No hard feelings to Gordon. I'm really sorry it didn't work out better. Business is business.

He definitely hasn't lived up to his contract - that's a given. But, this year he has been really good. 17.5/6.7/4.1, 38% from 3 on 4.3 attempts - as a guy feeding off leftovers. If that player hits the open market, they get $25M+ easily. Given his age & injury history and the fact that you don't necessarily need that good a 4th player or want to pay that much, sure you go lower. But, $10M is laughable - that's MLE money.

Well that's exactly why I said it that way. He is now a good MLE pick up. My guess is he opts out and goes to Gelden State.

[djFan71]

Ok me too. I feel like there is some really hard truth here. I keep hearing people say if only Haywrd would take a deal for 20-30% less than he gets no it would all be good. Hard truth: He is not worth 10 million a year. I'm sorry to be the one to say it. He has never played like a 20 or 30 million dollar player in boston and he has got hurt twice and missed half his time here. I'm sorry. I know he is a nice guy. Heck- as a short white American guy there IS something special about seeing someone that looks halfway like you do well in the NBA. But the idea of getting him to take anything slightly less than what we are paying him now and calling it a win?? No. It was a bad contract his first game when he got hurt. I'm really sorry to say this but it is true.


My idea, look for teams way under the cap that for whatever reason think they could be good. Trade him there for future picks. We don't need anything now. I think we will sweep the raptors, beat the bucks and 50-50 on a title. I'm optimistic. If we can do half of that we can get vets to sign vet min contract here again.

No hard feelings to Gordon. I'm really sorry it didn't work out better. Business is business.

He definitely hasn't lived up to his contract - that's a given. But, this year he has been really good. 17.5/6.7/4.1, 38% from 3 on 4.3 attempts - as a guy feeding off leftovers. If that player hits the open market, they get $25M+ easily. Given his age & injury history and the fact that you don't necessarily need that good a 4th player or want to pay that much, sure you go lower. But, $10M is laughable - that's MLE money.

Well that's exactly why I said it that way. He is now a good MLE pick up. My guess is he opts out and goes to Gelden State.

I think you're underrating him based on the frustration of paying him so much and him being hurt - which I get. But, he's far better than an MLE talent. And, no way he opts out of $34M next year to take $10M.

[hugepatsfan]

LMFAO Hayward is way better than a MLE player. That's laughable. He's been a bust here on his max contract... missed a year, sucked for a year as he recovered, now out for the playoffs.

Hayward is still very solidly a $20-25M/year player. He'll sign a deal next year that starts around $20M and ends up at about $25M by the end with raises. So call it $22.5M/year. Basically the deal Gallinari got as a FA.

[Curmudgeon]

LMFAO Hayward is way better than a MLE player. That's laughable. He's been a bust here on his max contract... missed a year, sucked for a year as he recovered, now out for the playoffs.

Hayward is still very solidly a $20-25M/year player. He'll sign a deal next year that starts around $20M and ends up at about $25M by the end with raises. So call it $22.5M/year. Basically the deal Gallinari got as a FA.

That's about right. The question is whether or not Boston should pay it or someone else.

[ProcessDoctor]

Sixers fan in peace here. Probably been discussed in the past, but are you guys interested in an expiring Hayward for either Blake or Love? Detroit and Cleveland are probably starved to get out of those contracts. Seems like a logical fit but interested in your thoughts.

Walker/Wannamaker
Brown/Smart
Tatum/Brown
Blake/Ojele
Theiss/Williams

[Fencer reregistered]

Sixers fan in peace here. Probably been discussed in the past, but are you guys interested in an expiring Hayward for either Blake or Love? Detroit and Cleveland are probably starved to get out of those contracts. Seems like a logical fit but interested in your thoughts.

Walker/Wannamaker
Brown/Smart
Tatum/Brown
Blake/Ojele
Theiss/Williams

I'm in the majority that thinks the team has been designed around mobile, switchable defenders. So no.

[MagicBagley18]

Ok me too. I feel like there is some really hard truth here. I keep hearing people say if only Haywrd would take a deal for 20-30% less than he gets no it would all be good. Hard truth: He is not worth 10 million a year. I'm sorry to be the one to say it. He has never played like a 20 or 30 million dollar player in boston and he has got hurt twice and missed half his time here. I'm sorry. I know he is a nice guy. Heck- as a short white American guy there IS something special about seeing someone that looks halfway like you do well in the NBA. But the idea of getting him to take anything slightly less than what we are paying him now and calling it a win?? No. It was a bad contract his first game when he got hurt. I'm really sorry to say this but it is true.


My idea, look for teams way under the cap that for whatever reason think they could be good. Trade him there for future picks. We don't need anything now. I think we will sweep the raptors, beat the bucks and 50-50 on a title. I'm optimistic. If we can do half of that we can get vets to sign vet min contract here again.

No hard feelings to Gordon. I'm really sorry it didn't work out better. Business is business.

He definitely hasn't lived up to his contract - that's a given. But, this year he has been really good. 17.5/6.7/4.1, 38% from 3 on 4.3 attempts - as a guy feeding off leftovers. If that player hits the open market, they get $25M+ easily. Given his age & injury history and the fact that you don't necessarily need that good a 4th player or want to pay that much, sure you go lower. But, $10M is laughable - that's MLE money.

Well that's exactly why I said it that way. He is now a good MLE pick up. My guess is he opts out and goes to Gelden State.

You have no idea ab the value of contracts if you think Hayward is an MLE signing. He’s 20- 25 million a year player still in the nba and 20 is pushing it. David bertans is a player with 1 skill set and he’s gonna get 16-20 mil this off- season

[Ernest]

He definitely hasn't lived up to his contract - that's a given. But, this year he has been really good. 17.5/6.7/4.1, 38% from 3 on 4.3 attempts - as a guy feeding off leftovers. If that player hits the open market, they get $25M+ easily. Given his age & injury history and the fact that you don't necessarily need that good a 4th player or want to pay that much, sure you go lower. But, $10M is laughable - that's MLE money.

Well that's exactly why I said it that way. He is now a good MLE pick up. My guess is he opts out and goes to Gelden State.

You have no idea ab the value of contracts if you think Hayward is an MLE signing. He’s 20- 25 million a year player still in the nba and 20 is pushing it. David bertans is a player with 1 skill set and he’s gonna get 16-20 mil this off- season

How many teams are gonna have 25 million to spend? Maybe 2. IDK, maybe if he comes back in the playoffs and plays well. I just find it hard to believe teams are gonna want to pay him 100 million for 4 years or anything like that.

[snowman]

Here are the fact as I see them that apply to Hayward and his contract:
1) Hayward has been a huge disappointment compared to his contract numbers so far for Boston.
2) Injuries are a part of the game and it isn't Haywards fault he is getting them. It's not like he is coming into camp out of shape.
3) Hayward has a player option for 34 mil to sign if he doesn't get an extension offer from us or some other team that he likes, or that offers up more money or years.
4) There are very few team out there that will offer him over 25 mil per year for even 2 years much less more money or years
5) If we want him back, and I'm assuming that Danny and Brad do, an extension north of 25 mil needs to be offered to get him to come off the 34 mil option and save us some lux tax money next season and down the road in the repeater tax.
6) We would only be bidding against a handful of teams, and not sure, considering that now he has a injury history, will want to pony up 25+ mil a year for a 1 time 32 year old former all star.
7) In reality, we are bidding against Hayward and his agent. If we offer too low a number of money or years, he will just sign his option and hit unrestricted FA the following season.
8) No other coach has the relationship with Hayward that Brad does, but how much weight does that carry in the financial world?

What I believe:
If Wyc has told Danny to keep him as long as we are contenders, and he isn't worried about the lux tax or the repeater tax, then so be it, but I don't believe any multi millionaire is so careless with that many millions of dollars. that they will just say "here take what you want, I don't care about results". If we really want him back, then an offer of an extension has to be for at least three years, and allows him to recoup any money lost but choosing to forgo his player option of 34 mil for one year. If we off a 3 years for 82 -84 million, but structure it that it starts at 24 million, with say bonus of 1 mil if he plays in 75 games, and another 1 mil if the teams wins , lets say 55 wins. Then have the 2nd year being 28 mil, and third year being 30 mil. By the time of the 2nd year, Tatum max will kick in, and we will be in lux tax city, no getting out. However, if taking less of a salary the first year (next year) keeps us out of lux tax for that first year, then we avoid the repeater tax all together unless we somehow end up in lux tax after Haywards and Kemba contracts run out.

[djFan71]

Here are the fact as I see them that apply to Hayward and his contract:
1) Hayward has been a huge disappointment compared to his contract numbers so far for Boston.
2) Injuries are a part of the game and it isn't Haywards fault he is getting them. It's not like he is coming into camp out of shape.
3) Hayward has a player option for 34 mil to sign if he doesn't get an extension offer from us or some other team that he likes, or that offers up more money or years.
4) There are very few team out there that will offer him over 25 mil per year for even 2 years much less more money or years
5) If we want him back, and I'm assuming that Danny and Brad do, an extension north of 25 mil needs to be offered to get him to come off the 34 mil option and save us some lux tax money next season and down the road in the repeater tax.
6) We would only be bidding against a handful of teams, and not sure, considering that now he has a injury history, will want to pony up 25+ mil a year for a 1 time 32 year old former all star.
7) In reality, we are bidding against Hayward and his agent. If we offer too low a number of money or years, he will just sign his option and hit unrestricted FA the following season.
8) No other coach has the relationship with Hayward that Brad does, but how much weight does that carry in the financial world?

What I believe:
If Wyc has told Danny to keep him as long as we are contenders, and he isn't worried about the lux tax or the repeater tax, then so be it, but I don't believe any multi millionaire is so careless with that many millions of dollars. that they will just say "here take what you want, I don't care about results". If we really want him back, then an offer of an extension has to be for at least three years, and allows him to recoup any money lost but choosing to forgo his player option of 34 mil for one year. If we off a 3 years for 82 -84 million, but structure it that it starts at 24 million, with say bonus of 1 mil if he plays in 75 games, and another 1 mil if the teams wins , lets say 55 wins. Then have the 2nd year being 28 mil, and third year being 30 mil. By the time of the 2nd year, Tatum max will kick in, and we will be in lux tax city, no getting out. However, if taking less of a salary the first year (next year) keeps us out of lux tax for that first year, then we avoid the repeater tax all together unless we somehow end up in lux tax after Haywards and Kemba contracts run out.

Agree with pretty much all of that. Flat lux tax kinda killed us. Would have been much easier to duck and extend if it had gone up even a few million.

Assuming Kanter opts in and you somehow dump Poirier and #30 for a highly protected future first that turns to 2 2nds, and fill roster spot 14 with Javonte (vet min $, but you save his $100k guarantee) or one of those cheap 2nd round pick deals, you'd still have to keep Hayward at ~$23.5M with no bonus option. That's 3/$74M which is adding 2 years and $40M. Gordon would have to really want to stay to sign for that.

I could see it, but it's tight all around. Cs side punting picks, being hamstrung on any roster moves. Gordon's side deferring $10+M next year, and capping his last few prime earning years. But, he does get the security. Honestly, though, I doubt Danny goes much higher on an extension. 3/$74-80M range seems worth committing to. Beyond that, let Gordon play out his last option year. See how his health/production holds up and you can always trade him if need be.

[Floody100]

Time to start the Giannis trade scenario’s I think.
Kemba, Tatum & Giannis together would be unstoppable !

[Ernest]

4) There are very few team out there that will offer him over 25 mil per year for even 2 years much less more money or years

I agree. I also agree that an opt out and new contract could happen. Hayward will have to see what he could get this offseason but then it's really about what he could get NEXT offseason. HOw much could he get for a 3 years deal next summer? That number + the 3o or whatever he has left on this deal over 4 years is probably what is fair for everyone.

So it really comes down to how well he expects to play next year and how much teams think he will decline when he is 33 or 34. I really don't see a team next summer offering 75 million for 3 years or 100 for 4. At 33 or 34 years old how much does any team want to be paying him? Look at Horford's contract- that is going to really hurt Philly as Horford ages.

There is also the risk for Hayward that he gets hurt again and never gets another pay day. So figure after next year he can get 3 years at 10-maybe 15 a year. Plus the 30-35 he is owed if he opts in. Offer him a deal to opt out, then sign a 4 year deal for around 60-80 million or a 3 year deal around 50-65 million.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

I'm curious to read some ideas here, but let's pretend the Bucks call and you're Danny Ainge. They offer you Giannis for Tatum, Smart and the Grizzlies pick. What would you do?

[Floody100]

I'm curious to read some ideas here, but let's pretend the Bucks call and you're Danny Ainge. They offer you Giannis for Tatum, Smart and the Grizzlies pick. What would you do?

Hang up the phone as soon as they ask for Tatum.

[reload141]

I'm curious to read some ideas here, but let's pretend the Bucks call and you're Danny Ainge. They offer you Giannis for Tatum, Smart and the Grizzlies pick. What would you do?

Is he signing an extension with that or not ?

[MagicBagley18]

I'm curious to read some ideas here, but let's pretend the Bucks call and you're Danny Ainge. They offer you Giannis for Tatum, Smart and the Grizzlies pick. What would you do?

Counter with brown Romeo our 3 1sts and a future unprotected w protections....can’t offer Tatum. I’d risk brown begrudgingly just on the fact that I believe winning is giannis number 1 priority and if we won w a kemba Tatum freak Combo he’d stay

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

I'm curious to read some ideas here, but let's pretend the Bucks call and you're Danny Ainge. They offer you Giannis for Tatum, Smart and the Grizzlies pick. What would you do?

Is he signing an extension with that or not ?

Let's say he does. Just a regular max, but only for 3 years.