Trade Ideas Thread, 2020-21

[Roddy]

Wiseman
Hayward
Wiggins
Klay
Curry

Draymond
Tatum
Brown
Smart
Kemba

[SmartWentCrazy]

We **** swept the Sixers who had Embiid. Who cares if he averaged 40 points and 20 rebounds. We weren't outrebounded in the Miami series. We weren't outscored in the paint. We were the 2nd best playoff team in defending within 3 feet of the rim (behind Utah). So to me, our "lack of physical, rim-protecting, rebounding bigs" wasn't the primary reason we lost to the Heat.

Our inability to pressure the ball and our inability to contain their player movement were the main culprits imo. Dragic got wherever he wanted on the floor. Their shooters got away from our defenders constantly. Passing and cutting lanes were open. Sure, you'd wish your last line of defense was Anthony Davis but you also wish our guards/wings did a better job with their individual assignments, with communicating, and with executing scheme.

I would point to our defensive guard play and scheme first before pointing a finger on Theis. But of course, people will just remember the consecutive possessions Bam overpowered Theis in the 4th qtr of game 6 and ignore the fact the we let a rookie put up 37 points on us or that late in games, our crappy offense was also our worst defense. Chucking up threes often led to runouts or easy transition points for Miami. None of that was on Theis' lack of size or physicality.

Not being able to guard the Dragic-Bam PnR was a pretty big reason for our defensive collapse, IMO. When we collapsed to stop it, their shooters got even more room.

We need a big who is better at handling the PnR. Its a hard ask, but winning a championship is hard.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Boston and Indy imo are a great fit for Hayward trade.

I see two options:

1) Hayward for Turner/Lamb

We get starting C and very good scoring guard. If we do not want Lamb because of his 21/22 10 million salary than there is 2nd option.

2) Hayward for Turner/ McDermott/ McConnell

Both MCs are expiring, but imo would be good bench pieces.

The Pacers arent going to trade us Turner for Hayward. They view Turner as the better player thats on a better contract. Its really a non-starter

[SmartWentCrazy]

So hard to understand when even if we all agree that we neee an upgrade in the Center position, a lot of people want a center that can space the floor, block shots, defend guards, and cannot be abused by Embiid or Adebayo.

The only player I can think of is Anthony Freaking Davis. What the actual ****. Unrealistic.

We dont need spacing the floor or blocking shots. Just need one to be okay on switches and not beasted against by a physical big.

List of bigs that can defend Embiid, Jokic, Adebayo, Davis by physicality off the top of my head in no particular order.

1) Howard
2) Marjanovic
3) Biyombo
4) Ibaka
5) Fall
6) McGee
7) Sabonis
8) Gobert
9) Vucevic
10) Drummond
11) Valanciunas
12) Favors
13) Whiteside
14) Adams
15) Holmes
16) DeAndre

Then out of those in the list that can switch against forwards / guards.

1) None

Sad list.

We just need to be able to defend the PnR better. Heres a list of FAs who cab defend it better vs physical bigs while also providing some semblance of the ability to switch:

Tristan Thompson
Derrick Favors
Paul Millsap
Serge Ibaka
Christian Wood
JaMychal Green
Mason Plumlee
Nerlens Noel

Some of them starters. Some of them bench contributors. All of them helpful.

[robbie84]

Boston and Indy imo are a great fit for Hayward trade.

I see two options:

1) Hayward for Turner/Lamb

We get starting C and very good scoring guard. If we do not want Lamb because of his 21/22 10 million salary than there is 2nd option.

2) Hayward for Turner/ McDermott/ McConnell

Both MCs are expiring, but imo would be good bench pieces.

Lamb sucks doesn't he? I remember him having the IQ of a carrot.

[ConstableGeneva]

We **** swept the Sixers who had Embiid. Who cares if he averaged 40 points and 20 rebounds. We weren't outrebounded in the Miami series. We weren't outscored in the paint. We were the 2nd best playoff team in defending within 3 feet of the rim (behind Utah). So to me, our "lack of physical, rim-protecting, rebounding bigs" wasn't the primary reason we lost to the Heat.

Our inability to pressure the ball and our inability to contain their player movement were the main culprits imo. Dragic got wherever he wanted on the floor. Their shooters got away from our defenders constantly. Passing and cutting lanes were open. Sure, you'd wish your last line of defense was Anthony Davis but you also wish our guards/wings did a better job with their individual assignments, with communicating, and with executing scheme.

I would point to our defensive guard play and scheme first before pointing a finger on Theis. But of course, people will just remember the consecutive possessions Bam overpowered Theis in the 4th qtr of game 6 and ignore the fact the we let a rookie put up 37 points on us or that late in games, our crappy offense was also our worst defense. Chucking up threes often led to runouts or easy transition points for Miami. None of that was on Theis' lack of size or physicality.

Not being able to guard the Dragic-Bam PnR was a pretty big reason for our defensive collapse, IMO. When we collapsed to stop it, their shooters got even more room.

We need a big who is better at handling the PnR. Its a hard ask, but winning a championship is hard.

I thought Theis did his part on PnR coverage for the most part. If Dragic gets away from his defender, Theis was there to close driving lanes. It was then the wings' job to tag Bam and for whoever was guarding Dragic to rotate. Most of the time, Theis was left on an island, having to cover both the driver and the big. That's not on him.

Case in point, when we put Smart on Dragic, ball pressure was better and these breakdowns on PnR happen less. When it's Kemba, we have to make up for his weakness on that end. So it's really not on Theis.

So it's mostly on the guard or the scheme that was not working. We're asking too much from Theis when Kemba is on the floor (the way we did from Horford to cover for IT's deficiencies). Same thing will happen even if we bring in Myles Turner or Vucevic as long as Kemba is still the guy harassing the ballhandler.

Also, it was rarely brought up that Tatum's defense dipped considerably from Toronto series to the Miami series. (Herro's hero game was mostly on Tatum's poor individual effort imo.) Unfair to demand a high level from him defensively when he's already carrying the bulk of the offense/playmaking, but if he's to become a top 5 player, that's the ask.

[SmartWentCrazy]

We **** swept the Sixers who had Embiid. Who cares if he averaged 40 points and 20 rebounds. We weren't outrebounded in the Miami series. We weren't outscored in the paint. We were the 2nd best playoff team in defending within 3 feet of the rim (behind Utah). So to me, our "lack of physical, rim-protecting, rebounding bigs" wasn't the primary reason we lost to the Heat.

Our inability to pressure the ball and our inability to contain their player movement were the main culprits imo. Dragic got wherever he wanted on the floor. Their shooters got away from our defenders constantly. Passing and cutting lanes were open. Sure, you'd wish your last line of defense was Anthony Davis but you also wish our guards/wings did a better job with their individual assignments, with communicating, and with executing scheme.

I would point to our defensive guard play and scheme first before pointing a finger on Theis. But of course, people will just remember the consecutive possessions Bam overpowered Theis in the 4th qtr of game 6 and ignore the fact the we let a rookie put up 37 points on us or that late in games, our crappy offense was also our worst defense. Chucking up threes often led to runouts or easy transition points for Miami. None of that was on Theis' lack of size or physicality.

Not being able to guard the Dragic-Bam PnR was a pretty big reason for our defensive collapse, IMO. When we collapsed to stop it, their shooters got even more room.

We need a big who is better at handling the PnR. Its a hard ask, but winning a championship is hard.

I thought Theis did his part on PnR coverage for the most part. If Dragic gets away from his defender, Theis was there to close driving lanes. It was then the wings' job to tag Bam and for whoever was guarding Dragic to rotate. Most of the time, Theis was left on an island, having to cover both the driver and the big. That's not on him.

Case in point, when we put Smart on Dragic, ball pressure was better and these breakdowns on PnR happen less. When it's Kemba, we have to make up for his weakness on that end. So it's really not on Theis.

So it's mostly on the guard or the scheme that was not working. We're asking too much from Theis when Kemba is on the floor (the way we did from Horford to cover for IT's deficiencies). Same thing will happen even if we bring in Myles Turner or Vucevic as long as Kemba is still the guy harassing the ballhandler.

Also, it was rarely brought up that Tatum's defense dipped considerably from Toronto series to the Miami series. (Herro's hero game was mostly on Tatum's poor individual effort imo.) Unfair to demand a high level from him defensively when he's already carrying the bulk of the offense/playmaking, but if he's to become a top 5 player, that's the ask.

Eh, I remember Dragic shooting over or blowing by Theis quite a lot on the switch and Bam yamming it home quite a bit as well. At 6’8, he’s just not big/athletic enough to stop that attack.

Also, Herro just hit a **** load of contested jumpers vs us. He missed the same looks vs LA and looked dreadful. It sucks but thats how the ball bounces sometimes.

[ConstableGeneva]

Not being able to guard the Dragic-Bam PnR was a pretty big reason for our defensive collapse, IMO. When we collapsed to stop it, their shooters got even more room.

We need a big who is better at handling the PnR. Its a hard ask, but winning a championship is hard.

I thought Theis did his part on PnR coverage for the most part. If Dragic gets away from his defender, Theis was there to close driving lanes. It was then the wings' job to tag Bam and for whoever was guarding Dragic to rotate. Most of the time, Theis was left on an island, having to cover both the driver and the big. That's not on him.

Case in point, when we put Smart on Dragic, ball pressure was better and these breakdowns on PnR happen less. When it's Kemba, we have to make up for his weakness on that end. So it's really not on Theis.

So it's mostly on the guard or the scheme that was not working. We're asking too much from Theis when Kemba is on the floor (the way we did from Horford to cover for IT's deficiencies). Same thing will happen even if we bring in Myles Turner or Vucevic as long as Kemba is still the guy harassing the ballhandler.

Also, it was rarely brought up that Tatum's defense dipped considerably from Toronto series to the Miami series. (Herro's hero game was mostly on Tatum's poor individual effort imo.) Unfair to demand a high level from him defensively when he's already carrying the bulk of the offense/playmaking, but if he's to become a top 5 player, that's the ask.

Eh, I remember Dragic shooting over or blowing by Theis quite a lot on the switch and Bam yamming it home quite a bit as well. At 6’8, he’s just not big/athletic enough to stop that attack.

Also, Herro just hit a **** load of contested jumpers vs us. He missed the same looks vs LA and looked dreadful. It sucks but thats how the ball bounces sometimes.

Those dunks happened because no one was tagging Bam on the roll. Had a free lane going up for the lobs. Theis was there to stop the drives. Bam got the better of him in those game 6 4th Q isos though (mistake on Stevens part to pull out Grant).

So you're putting a black mark on Theis for contesting Dragic's ridiculous threes over him while also giving Tatum a pass on Herro? Maybe we saw it differently 'cos those Dragic daggers were well-contested while Herro got free from Tatum quite a bit especially in the first half. That got him into a rhythm. I won't ask anyone to rewatch but Tatum was pretty bad in that one game where he not only had an egg in the half but also missed his defensive assignment to the point people were wondering whether he was injured. He even took the blame for that game 4.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I thought Theis did his part on PnR coverage for the most part. If Dragic gets away from his defender, Theis was there to close driving lanes. It was then the wings' job to tag Bam and for whoever was guarding Dragic to rotate. Most of the time, Theis was left on an island, having to cover both the driver and the big. That's not on him.

Case in point, when we put Smart on Dragic, ball pressure was better and these breakdowns on PnR happen less. When it's Kemba, we have to make up for his weakness on that end. So it's really not on Theis.

So it's mostly on the guard or the scheme that was not working. We're asking too much from Theis when Kemba is on the floor (the way we did from Horford to cover for IT's deficiencies). Same thing will happen even if we bring in Myles Turner or Vucevic as long as Kemba is still the guy harassing the ballhandler.

Also, it was rarely brought up that Tatum's defense dipped considerably from Toronto series to the Miami series. (Herro's hero game was mostly on Tatum's poor individual effort imo.) Unfair to demand a high level from him defensively when he's already carrying the bulk of the offense/playmaking, but if he's to become a top 5 player, that's the ask.

Eh, I remember Dragic shooting over or blowing by Theis quite a lot on the switch and Bam yamming it home quite a bit as well. At 6’8, he’s just not big/athletic enough to stop that attack.

Also, Herro just hit a **** load of contested jumpers vs us. He missed the same looks vs LA and looked dreadful. It sucks but thats how the ball bounces sometimes.

Those dunks happened because no one was tagging Bam on the roll. Had a free lane going up for the lobs. Theis was there to stop the drives. Bam got the better of him in those game 6 4th Q isos though (mistake on Stevens part to pull out Grant).

So you're putting a black mark on Theis for contesting Dragic's ridiculous threes over him while also giving Tatum a pass on Herro? Maybe we saw it differently 'cos those Dragic daggers were well-contested while Herro got free from Tatum quite a bit especially in the first half. That got him into a rhythm. I won't ask anyone to rewatch but Tatum was pretty bad in that one game where he not only had an egg in the half but also missed his defensive assignment to the point people were wondering whether he was injured. He even took the blame for that game 4.

We stopped them for a game when we had Jaylen tag out, but then they adjusted and Bam kicked it to the open shooter. The passing is what makes him so difficult to guard and expecting more rotations just puts too much stress on the defense.

The difference is that youre arguing results and I’m arguing process. Were structurally deficient vs PnR bigs due to Theis’ limitations. Hes an awesome player, probably the 20th best big in the league, but he’s just unable to guard in the way we need to win a title. Its not a detriment to him, more of an acknowledgement of whom he is.

FWIW, its one reason why I’m so high on time lord, he can be that guy and has all the physical ability in the world.

[Ernest]

We **** swept the Sixers who had Embiid. Who cares if he averaged 40 points and 20 rebounds. We weren't outrebounded in the Miami series. We weren't outscored in the paint. We were the 2nd best playoff team in defending within 3 feet of the rim (behind Utah). So to me, our "lack of physical, rim-protecting, rebounding bigs" wasn't the primary reason we lost to the Heat.

Our inability to pressure the ball and our inability to contain their player movement were the main culprits imo. Dragic got wherever he wanted on the floor. Their shooters got away from our defenders constantly. Passing and cutting lanes were open. Sure, you'd wish your last line of defense was Anthony Davis but you also wish our guards/wings did a better job with their individual assignments, with communicating, and with executing scheme.

I would point to our defensive guard play and scheme first before pointing a finger on Theis. But of course, people will just remember the consecutive possessions Bam overpowered Theis in the 4th qtr of game 6 and ignore the fact the we let a rookie put up 37 points on us or that late in games, our crappy offense was also our worst defense. Chucking up threes often led to runouts or easy transition points for Miami. None of that was on Theis' lack of size or physicality.

I don't think it has to be an either-or thing. I agree with you that Theis is not really to blame. At the same time, why not try to bulster the 5 spot? Miami just played really well. I mean look at them vs the Lakers. They had no business winning any games there but they did. Sometimes you just lose and it's not really anyone's fault.

If I'm Ainge I'm thinking on paper the 5 spot is the weakest. I'd call Howard's agent and see if there is any interest there. Min contract but he can start and play at least 20 minutes a game. If that's a no, then look at deals for other guys.

[Ernest]

Is it starting to seem like one of those "if there is so much smoke there must be fire" things on a Indy trade? Or am I just on realgm too much?

[ConstableGeneva]

Eh, I remember Dragic shooting over or blowing by Theis quite a lot on the switch and Bam yamming it home quite a bit as well. At 6’8, he’s just not big/athletic enough to stop that attack.

Also, Herro just hit a **** load of contested jumpers vs us. He missed the same looks vs LA and looked dreadful. It sucks but thats how the ball bounces sometimes.

Those dunks happened because no one was tagging Bam on the roll. Had a free lane going up for the lobs. Theis was there to stop the drives. Bam got the better of him in those game 6 4th Q isos though (mistake on Stevens part to pull out Grant).

So you're putting a black mark on Theis for contesting Dragic's ridiculous threes over him while also giving Tatum a pass on Herro? Maybe we saw it differently 'cos those Dragic daggers were well-contested while Herro got free from Tatum quite a bit especially in the first half. That got him into a rhythm. I won't ask anyone to rewatch but Tatum was pretty bad in that one game where he not only had an egg in the half but also missed his defensive assignment to the point people were wondering whether he was injured. He even took the blame for that game 4.

We stopped them for a game when we had Jaylen tag out, but then they adjusted and Bam kicked it to the open shooter. The passing is what makes him so difficult to guard and expecting more rotations just puts too much stress on the defense.

The difference is that youre arguing results and I’m arguing process. Were structurally deficient vs PnR bigs due to Theis’ limitations. Hes an awesome player, probably the 20th best big in the league, but he’s just unable to guard in the way we need to win a title. Its not a detriment to him, more of an acknowledgement of whom he is.

FWIW, its one reason why I’m so high on time lord, he can be that guy and has all the physical ability in the world.

I'm arguing that replacing Theis with a different/perceived-better available big won't make much of a difference as long as Kemba is still the one covering the ball. I won't pretend to know more than our coaching staff, but it irked me why we didn't just hide him on Crowder (and OG in Raps series) instead. But even that presented problems. Butler would call for Jae to screen and for the life of me, I don't know why we surrendered the switch readily every time.

We'd have to pick our poison less with Kemba off the floor. Theis wouldn't be much of an issue defensively if we covered that glaring hole at PG. But since Kemba is too valuable on offense to keep off the court, Stevens has to come up with a better scheme to cover for him. 'Cos there aren't a lot of bigs that are strong/athletic enough to defend opposing bigs inside while also agile enough to switch or slow down ballhandlers. Even if there were, they're beyond our reach due to our cap situation. Turner isn't the answer imo. Some are bringing up Dwight like WTF are we being serious here. And as much as I love Favors, he's still a drop big. Drop bigs are getting killed in playoffs. Maybe Noel? And hopefully, Timelord as you say once he understands positioning, footwork, and timing.

[ConstableGeneva]

Saw this somewhere. Just wondering if this is an easy NO for everyone here:

DEN gets Hayward, Smart, Langford
BOS gets Porter Jr., Harris, Barton

[sportfan6197]

Boston and Indy imo are a great fit for Hayward trade.

I see two options:

1) Hayward for Turner/Lamb

We get starting C and very good scoring guard. If we do not want Lamb because of his 21/22 10 million salary than there is 2nd option.

2) Hayward for Turner/ McDermott/ McConnell

Both MCs are expiring, but imo would be good bench pieces.

Lamb sucks doesn't he? I remember him having the IQ of a carrot.

very rozier like imo

tho we reunite kemba and lamb

[sportfan6197]

Saw this somewhere. Just wondering if this is an easy NO for everyone here:

DEN gets Hayward, Smart, Langford
BOS gets Porter Jr., Harris, Barton

dayum. i feel automated to say no to anything smart related but that honestly is an interesting deal, just might f up chemistry esp since MPJ wants to be a star

[SmartWentCrazy]

Those dunks happened because no one was tagging Bam on the roll. Had a free lane going up for the lobs. Theis was there to stop the drives. Bam got the better of him in those game 6 4th Q isos though (mistake on Stevens part to pull out Grant).

So you're putting a black mark on Theis for contesting Dragic's ridiculous threes over him while also giving Tatum a pass on Herro? Maybe we saw it differently 'cos those Dragic daggers were well-contested while Herro got free from Tatum quite a bit especially in the first half. That got him into a rhythm. I won't ask anyone to rewatch but Tatum was pretty bad in that one game where he not only had an egg in the half but also missed his defensive assignment to the point people were wondering whether he was injured. He even took the blame for that game 4.

We stopped them for a game when we had Jaylen tag out, but then they adjusted and Bam kicked it to the open shooter. The passing is what makes him so difficult to guard and expecting more rotations just puts too much stress on the defense.

The difference is that youre arguing results and I’m arguing process. Were structurally deficient vs PnR bigs due to Theis’ limitations. Hes an awesome player, probably the 20th best big in the league, but he’s just unable to guard in the way we need to win a title. Its not a detriment to him, more of an acknowledgement of whom he is.

FWIW, its one reason why I’m so high on time lord, he can be that guy and has all the physical ability in the world.

I'm arguing that replacing Theis with a different/perceived-better available big won't make much of a difference as long as Kemba is still the one covering the ball. I won't pretend to know more than our coaching staff, but it irked me why we didn't just hide him on Crowder (and OG in Raps series) instead. But even that presented problems. Butler would call for Jae to screen and for the life of me, I don't know why we surrendered the switch readily every time.

We'd have to pick our poison less with Kemba off the floor. Theis wouldn't be much of an issue defensively if we covered that glaring hole at PG. But since Kemba is too valuable on offense to keep off the court, Stevens has to come up with a better scheme to cover for him. 'Cos there aren't a lot of bigs that are strong/athletic enough to defend opposing bigs inside while also agile enough to switch or slow down ballhandlers. Even if there were, they're beyond our reach due to our cap situation. Turner isn't the answer imo. Some are bringing up Dwight like WTF are we being serious here. And as much as I love Favors, he's still a drop big. Drop bigs are getting killed in playoffs. Maybe Noel? And hopefully, Timelord as you say once he understands positioning, footwork, and timing.

To be honest, I agree with you on Kemba— its one of the reasons I’ve advocated bringing him off the bench and starting/closing with Smart. I just think Theis is probably best served as our bench big as well.

[Asian Celtic]

Saw this somewhere. Just wondering if this is an easy NO for everyone here:

DEN gets Hayward, Smart, Langford
BOS gets Porter Jr., Harris, Barton

On paper I would say NO directly. After checking Harris and Barton contract situation that has two years remaining makes me think yes if we can somehow flip Harris to a third team for a bigman.

[Asian Celtic]

We stopped them for a game when we had Jaylen tag out, but then they adjusted and Bam kicked it to the open shooter. The passing is what makes him so difficult to guard and expecting more rotations just puts too much stress on the defense.

The difference is that youre arguing results and I’m arguing process. Were structurally deficient vs PnR bigs due to Theis’ limitations. Hes an awesome player, probably the 20th best big in the league, but he’s just unable to guard in the way we need to win a title. Its not a detriment to him, more of an acknowledgement of whom he is.

FWIW, its one reason why I’m so high on time lord, he can be that guy and has all the physical ability in the world.

I'm arguing that replacing Theis with a different/perceived-better available big won't make much of a difference as long as Kemba is still the one covering the ball. I won't pretend to know more than our coaching staff, but it irked me why we didn't just hide him on Crowder (and OG in Raps series) instead. But even that presented problems. Butler would call for Jae to screen and for the life of me, I don't know why we surrendered the switch readily every time.

We'd have to pick our poison less with Kemba off the floor. Theis wouldn't be much of an issue defensively if we covered that glaring hole at PG. But since Kemba is too valuable on offense to keep off the court, Stevens has to come up with a better scheme to cover for him. 'Cos there aren't a lot of bigs that are strong/athletic enough to defend opposing bigs inside while also agile enough to switch or slow down ballhandlers. Even if there were, they're beyond our reach due to our cap situation. Turner isn't the answer imo. Some are bringing up Dwight like WTF are we being serious here. And as much as I love Favors, he's still a drop big. Drop bigs are getting killed in playoffs. Maybe Noel? And hopefully, Timelord as you say once he understands positioning, footwork, and timing.

To be honest, I agree with you on Kemba— its one of the reasons I’ve advocated bringing him off the bench and starting/closing with Smart. I just think Theis is probably best served as our bench big as well.

Theis plays bigger than the Celtics pay him. Definitely keep him as a backup big.

[ConstableGeneva]

Saw this somewhere. Just wondering if this is an easy NO for everyone here:

DEN gets Hayward, Smart, Langford
BOS gets Porter Jr., Harris, Barton

On paper I would say NO directly. After checking Harris and Barton contract situation that has two years remaining makes me think yes if we can somehow flip Harris to a third team for a bigman.

First of all, I think this is a NO for Denver unless they somehow convinced Hayward to sign a discounted extension prior to the trade. It's a go-for-it move for them. Hayward as the 3rd option is perfect for them. Pairing Smart with Murray is also perfect for them. That starting five of Murray-Smart-Hayward-Grant-Jokic is gonna kill teams. It's gonna be hella expensive though.

Anyway, the appeal for me is Porter Jr. as a much more valuable trade centerpiece than Smart for an even bigger star (whoever it is that becomes available). In that way, you might be able to get away with not having to include Jaylen in that hypothetical trade. Or maybe you keep MPJ and trade Jaylen depending on what the other team wants.

Emotionally-speaking, you can't make me trade Smart. You just can't.

[floyd]

Upgrading Theis sounds great but not sure it’s realistic. But some reliable depth is a must. We never had reliable options behind him or Tatum for that matter. An undersized rookie in Grant, a project big in Bob, and a defensive liability in Kanter.

Theis shouldn’t be play 35 - 40 minutes. Like a lot of bigs he gets gassed.

I wouldn’t mind a strong stretch 4 that can masquerade at the 5 even if undersized. Like a Tucker or Roco. If Bob turns into a reliable dude we still have a useful bench player at the 4 and if he doesn’t we’re not stuck with nothing. Better than a true 5 that sucks. Maybe Grant’s that dude but I’d love a vet with some nasty.