Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . .

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Technically the GS pick could be as high as #2 in 2025. It’s top 4 protected this year so if somehow it gets that high this year and rolls over…

It’s true you really never can qualify a post hard enough to stave off reply guys

I’m sure this format won’t do what I wish it would but
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[MeanGeraldGreen]

It’s true you really never can qualify a post hard enough to stave off reply guys

I’m sure this format won’t do what I wish it would but
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The Warriors pick will probably fall anywhere between 12-22ish? Anything higher than that is just based on “what if Steph gets hurt”.

I’d love to be wrong lol.

[Cricket23]

If Harden is in fact off the table, Brogdon to the Clips could become a thing again.

It seems like the Brogdon to Clippers talks came to pretty much a complete halt when:

a) Clippers got freaked out about Brogdon's injury and backed out of trading for him in the initial Porzingis deal
b) Clippers then resigned Westbrook, so now have less of a need for Brogdon
c) Celtics traded Smart, alleviating the backcourt logjam, so now have less of a need to trade Brogdon

We all know they backed out because there was no time for a physical. There's plenty of time now, and if Brogdon is healthy, there's no issue.

Westbrook was going back to the Clips anyway, and he's a completely different player than Brogdon. Obviously they're still looking for backcourt help and have too many forwards.

I believe they were trading Smart to Memphis anyway, even if the initial Brogdon trade went through. I also believe they'd still trade Brogdon if they can get 2 rotation players back including a point guard. Of course a 3rd team will be necessary.

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If Harden is in fact off the table, Brogdon to the Clips could become a thing again.

It seems like the Brogdon to Clippers talks came to pretty much a complete halt when:

a) Clippers got freaked out about Brogdon's injury and backed out of trading for him in the initial Porzingis deal
b) Clippers then resigned Westbrook, so now have less of a need for Brogdon
c) Celtics traded Smart, alleviating the backcourt logjam, so now have less of a need to trade Brogdon

We all know they backed out because there was no time for a physical. There's plenty of time now, and if Brogdon is healthy, there's no issue.

Westbrook was going back to the Clips anyway, and he's a completely different player than Brogdon. Obviously they're still looking for backcourt help and have too many forwards.

I believe they were trading Smart to Memphis anyway, even if the initial Brogdon trade went through. I also believe they'd still trade Brogdon if they can get 2 rotation players back including a point guard. Of course a 3rd team will be necessary.

You're making a lot of assumptions and a lot of leaps here - lots of mental gymnastics.

We definitely do not know for sure that the Clippers would have resigned Westbrook if they traded for Brogdon.

It's not obvious at all that the clippers are still looking for backcourt help. Last season they started off with Reggie Jackson and John Wall for PG's, with Mann who sometimes plays PG and sometimes plays wing. Then, during the season they ditched Wall, signed Westbrook and flipped Jackson for Bones Hyland, so in the playoffs they had Westbrook, Hyland and Mann - all 3 of them are still on the roster. Plus, they have Jason Preston, who could be ready for rotation mins now after he was injured his whole 1st season and then had a strong season in the g league last year.

And as for Brogdon, yes there were some reports that indicated that they only backed out because they couldn't get the physical done in time. But not everything that gets reported is legit. For all we know, the Clippers backed out because they learned more about Brogdon's injury (just from getting into deeper discussions with Brad about it) and decided that they didn't want to take the chance trading for an older guard who is injury prone who is making over $20 mil a year, with still 2 yrs left on his contract and often times was. subpar defensively last season and was also a black hole on offense at times..

So much of this is just heresy and guesswork, unless we're commenting on transactions/moves that actually did take place.

[MeanGeraldGreen]

The Celtics and Clippers had conversations about Brogdon off and on since the deal fell through, FWIW.

[Cricket23]

It seems like the Brogdon to Clippers talks came to pretty much a complete halt when:

a) Clippers got freaked out about Brogdon's injury and backed out of trading for him in the initial Porzingis deal
b) Clippers then resigned Westbrook, so now have less of a need for Brogdon
c) Celtics traded Smart, alleviating the backcourt logjam, so now have less of a need to trade Brogdon

We all know they backed out because there was no time for a physical. There's plenty of time now, and if Brogdon is healthy, there's no issue.

Westbrook was going back to the Clips anyway, and he's a completely different player than Brogdon. Obviously they're still looking for backcourt help and have too many forwards.

I believe they were trading Smart to Memphis anyway, even if the initial Brogdon trade went through. I also believe they'd still trade Brogdon if they can get 2 rotation players back including a point guard. Of course a 3rd team will be necessary.

You're making a lot of assumptions and a lot of leaps here - lots of mental gymnastics.

We definitely do not know for sure that the Clippers would have resigned Westbrook if they traded for Brogdon.

It's not obvious at all that the clippers are still looking for backcourt help. Last season they started off with Reggie Jackson and John Wall for PG's, with Mann who sometimes plays PG and sometimes plays wing. Then, during the season they ditched Wall, signed Westbrook and flipped Jackson for Bones Hyland, so in the playoffs they had Westbrook, Hyland and Mann - all 3 of them are still on the roster. Plus, they have Jason Preston, who could be ready for rotation mins now after he was injured his whole 1st season and then had a strong season in the g league last year.

And as for Brogdon, yes there were some reports that indicated that they only backed out because they couldn't get the physical done in time. But not everything that gets reported is legit. For all we know, the Clippers backed out because they learned more about Brogdon's injury (just from getting into deeper discussions with Brad about it) and decided that they didn't want to take the chance trading for an older guard who is injury prone who is making over $20 mil a year, with still 2 yrs left on his contract and often times was. subpar defensively last season and was also a black hole on offense at times..

So much of this is just heresy and guesswork, unless we're commenting on transactions/moves that actually did take place.

What do you mean we don't know if the Clips are trying to get backcourt help? They have been trying to trade for Harden and his skills overlap with Westbrook's much more than Brogdon's. All you have to do is look at their roster. And what more could they have learned about Brogdon's injury? They never got the chance to look at him.

[Cricket23]

The Celtics and Clippers had conversations about Brogdon off and on since the deal fell through, FWIW.

Yea that was reported as well

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We all know they backed out because there was no time for a physical. There's plenty of time now, and if Brogdon is healthy, there's no issue.

Westbrook was going back to the Clips anyway, and he's a completely different player than Brogdon. Obviously they're still looking for backcourt help and have too many forwards.

I believe they were trading Smart to Memphis anyway, even if the initial Brogdon trade went through. I also believe they'd still trade Brogdon if they can get 2 rotation players back including a point guard. Of course a 3rd team will be necessary.

You're making a lot of assumptions and a lot of leaps here - lots of mental gymnastics.

We definitely do not know for sure that the Clippers would have resigned Westbrook if they traded for Brogdon.

It's not obvious at all that the clippers are still looking for backcourt help. Last season they started off with Reggie Jackson and John Wall for PG's, with Mann who sometimes plays PG and sometimes plays wing. Then, during the season they ditched Wall, signed Westbrook and flipped Jackson for Bones Hyland, so in the playoffs they had Westbrook, Hyland and Mann - all 3 of them are still on the roster. Plus, they have Jason Preston, who could be ready for rotation mins now after he was injured his whole 1st season and then had a strong season in the g league last year.

And as for Brogdon, yes there were some reports that indicated that they only backed out because they couldn't get the physical done in time. But not everything that gets reported is legit. For all we know, the Clippers backed out because they learned more about Brogdon's injury (just from getting into deeper discussions with Brad about it) and decided that they didn't want to take the chance trading for an older guard who is injury prone who is making over $20 mil a year, with still 2 yrs left on his contract and often times was. subpar defensively last season and was also a black hole on offense at times..

So much of this is just heresy and guesswork, unless we're commenting on transactions/moves that actually did take place.

What do you mean we don't know if the Clips are trying to get backcourt help? They have been trying to trade for Harden and his skills overlap with Westbrook's much more than Brogdon's.

The Clippers have not traded for Harden. And we don't really know what happens behind closed doors - we don't know how hard the clippers tried to trade for him. For all we know, they had some conversations, but nothing substantial was really discussed.

Also, perhaps the clippers saw Harden as a guy who could have potentially formed a Big 3 with Kawhi and George, to help them finally win their first ever championship. I doubt the clippers see Brogdon as that same type of player - especially since he is injured.

And as for the sentence in bold - eh, that's debatable.

[Cricket23]

You're making a lot of assumptions and a lot of leaps here - lots of mental gymnastics.

We definitely do not know for sure that the Clippers would have resigned Westbrook if they traded for Brogdon.

It's not obvious at all that the clippers are still looking for backcourt help. Last season they started off with Reggie Jackson and John Wall for PG's, with Mann who sometimes plays PG and sometimes plays wing. Then, during the season they ditched Wall, signed Westbrook and flipped Jackson for Bones Hyland, so in the playoffs they had Westbrook, Hyland and Mann - all 3 of them are still on the roster. Plus, they have Jason Preston, who could be ready for rotation mins now after he was injured his whole 1st season and then had a strong season in the g league last year.

And as for Brogdon, yes there were some reports that indicated that they only backed out because they couldn't get the physical done in time. But not everything that gets reported is legit. For all we know, the Clippers backed out because they learned more about Brogdon's injury (just from getting into deeper discussions with Brad about it) and decided that they didn't want to take the chance trading for an older guard who is injury prone who is making over $20 mil a year, with still 2 yrs left on his contract and often times was. subpar defensively last season and was also a black hole on offense at times..

So much of this is just heresy and guesswork, unless we're commenting on transactions/moves that actually did take place.

What do you mean we don't know if the Clips are trying to get backcourt help? They have been trying to trade for Harden and his skills overlap with Westbrook's much more than Brogdon's.

The Clippers have not traded for Harden. And we don't really know what happens behind closed doors - we don't know how hard the clippers tried to trade for him. For all we know, they had some conversations, but nothing substantial was really discussed.

Also, perhaps the clippers saw Harden as a guy who could have potentially formed a Big 3 with Kawhi and George, to help them finally win their first ever championship. I doubt the clippers see Brogdon as that same type of player - especially since he is injured.

And as for the sentence in bold - eh, that's debatable.

I don't even know what we're debating here. The Clips wanted Brogdon and it fell through. They signed Westbrook which was was already expected. You said we didn't know if they still wanted backcourt help, but they were in on Harden or however you want to word it. Harden and Westbrook are similar in that they are more lead playmaking guards than Brogdon. If the Harden trade has indeed fallen through, I said Brogdon to the Clips could be a thing again. I know it's slow but there's nothing to debate here.

[cl2117]

I think LAC backed out of the Brogdon deal because there was smoke in the air about a Harden deal and they used the medical issue as a way to pull the plug without getting questioned.

Windhorst was the guy who elevated the idea that Brogdon's injury could be too serious to be traded for quite some time, but he since has said that he thinks it's more likely that LAC was trying to pivot to Harden if he was asking out. And that lines up with Brogdon potentially not even needing surgery and being on track to be back at the start of the season.

I think both sides could be interested in rekindling things but it feels more like another 3-way trade that takes place mid-season. A Christmas or trade deadline deal with LAC sending expirings and draft assets to a third team who gives C"s a different mix.

LAC probably wants to still keep the chance of a Harden trade alive rather than settling for Brogdon this early. They also get to make sure they're buying a healthy Brogdon with only half the season to go (and only pull the trigger if Kawhi and PG area healthy). Boston is better off letting him re-establish value as a healthy player, even if things are awkward after the deal falling through. He's also an outstanding fit if they can smooth things over.

If Micic in OKC ends up being solid, he'd be a great option. Micic and Bertans for Brogdon works salary wise and you can ideally expand it to pick off another depth piece from OKC by kicking in a 1st or 2nds. OKC don't have enough minutes for everyone and can get off Bertans deal a year early so makes sense, LAC get win-now firepower in Brogdon and Boston get depth and a cheaper long-term guard (Micic is 1/3 the price of Malcolm).

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I think LAC backed out of the Brogdon deal because there was smoke in the air about a Harden deal and they used the medical issue as a way to pull the plug without getting questioned.

Windhorst was the guy who elevated the idea that Brogdon's injury could be too serious to be traded for quite some time, but he since has said that he thinks it's more likely that LAC was trying to pivot to Harden if he was asking out. And that lines up with Brogdon potentially not even needing surgery and being on track to be back at the start of the season.

I think both sides could be interested in rekindling things but it feels more like another 3-way trade that takes place mid-season. A Christmas or trade deadline deal with LAC sending expirings and draft assets to a third team who gives C"s a different mix.

LAC probably wants to still keep the chance of a Harden trade alive rather than settling for Brogdon this early. They also get to make sure they're buying a healthy Brogdon with only half the season to go (and only pull the trigger if Kawhi and PG area healthy). Boston is better off letting him re-establish value as a healthy player, even if things are awkward after the deal falling through. He's also an outstanding fit if they can smooth things over.

If Micic in OKC ends up being solid, he'd be a great option. Micic and Bertans for Brogdon works salary wise and you can ideally expand it to pick off another depth piece from OKC by kicking in a 1st or 2nds. OKC don't have enough minutes for everyone and can get off Bertans deal a year early so makes sense, LAC get win-now firepower in Brogdon and Boston get depth and a cheaper long-term guard (Micic is 1/3 the price of Malcolm).

I'm just not sure there's a Brogdon trade that gets us closer to Banner 18. Flipping Brogdon for Micic and Bertans probably does not get closer to a banner..

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Hmm..

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[cl2117]

I think LAC backed out of the Brogdon deal because there was smoke in the air about a Harden deal and they used the medical issue as a way to pull the plug without getting questioned.

Windhorst was the guy who elevated the idea that Brogdon's injury could be too serious to be traded for quite some time, but he since has said that he thinks it's more likely that LAC was trying to pivot to Harden if he was asking out. And that lines up with Brogdon potentially not even needing surgery and being on track to be back at the start of the season.

I think both sides could be interested in rekindling things but it feels more like another 3-way trade that takes place mid-season. A Christmas or trade deadline deal with LAC sending expirings and draft assets to a third team who gives C"s a different mix.

LAC probably wants to still keep the chance of a Harden trade alive rather than settling for Brogdon this early. They also get to make sure they're buying a healthy Brogdon with only half the season to go (and only pull the trigger if Kawhi and PG area healthy). Boston is better off letting him re-establish value as a healthy player, even if things are awkward after the deal falling through. He's also an outstanding fit if they can smooth things over.

If Micic in OKC ends up being solid, he'd be a great option. Micic and Bertans for Brogdon works salary wise and you can ideally expand it to pick off another depth piece from OKC by kicking in a 1st or 2nds. OKC don't have enough minutes for everyone and can get off Bertans deal a year early so makes sense, LAC get win-now firepower in Brogdon and Boston get depth and a cheaper long-term guard (Micic is 1/3 the price of Malcolm).

I'm just not sure there's a Brogdon trade that gets us closer to Banner 18. Flipping Brogdon for Micic and Bertans probably does not get closer to a banner..

I don't think there is a Brogdon trade that makes us better on paper but I think you could end up with a Brogdon trade that gets us closer to a championship.

The trade for KP lifted our overall ceiling as a team but also significantly increased the "if healthy" caveat that will closely follow talk of the Celtics because of KP, Brogdon and Rob. I think you could make a lateral move or downgrade there and still end up as a net positive if it reduced your overall injury risk and had some ancillary benefits.

Micic would definitely be a significant downgrade on Brogdon but he's also more likely to be available in the playoffs, so you're hedging your bets in a way. Bertans is a bad contract but would be good expiring trade filler next year and fits Joe's system as a 3 point shooting big man. Net/net I think we lose that deal on value but in reality it could work out better with one less injury prone guy to worry about.

If you could expand it and add in whatever wing they have that ends up on the short-end of their minutes squeeze (K.Williams, Isiaah Joe) by adding value, then I'd like it more. Those guys not only are solid depth pieces but they've also got amazingly cheap contracts which would be a huge plus under the new CBA.

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[zoyathedestroya]

Spicy. Is this fake?

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Adam Silver can't monetize the NBA offseason as a separate reality TV series?

[Curmudgeon]

So I can assume from all of the silence that Svi Mykhailiuk has decided to play in Greece?

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So I can assume from all of the silence that Svi Mykhailiuk has decided to play in Greece?

I'm sure once he signs somewhere, it will be reported. That Greek team has signed a few other former NBA players this summer and each time it was announced publicly.

I think he's just taking awhile to decide..

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Hmm.. Diallo and Davis are free agents. Out of those 2 guys, 1 of them can shoot - Davis.

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[Larry_Russell]

To Philly

Brogdon, Powell and Preston (filler)
out
Harden and Korkmaz

Philly moves the malcontent, and IMO improves.
Maxey
Brogdon
Powell
Harris
Embiid


To Clippers
Harden and Korkmaz
Out:
Mann, Powell, Batum, Preston

Clippers form a big three
HArden
George
Kawhi
Morris
Zubac

To Boston
Mann, Batum
out
Brogdon

Celtics add a young kid with potential to shine in a 6th man role/spot starter. Add a big forward off the bench.

White/Pritchard/.../Banton
Brown/Mann/.../Scrubb
Tatum/Hauser/Walsh
KP/Batum/Brissett
Timelord/Horford/Kornet

Room left to add a vet min combo guard for the bench.

[Hal14]

To Philly

Brogdon, Powell and Preston (filler)
out
Harden and Korkmaz

Philly moves the malcontent, and IMO improves.
Maxey
Brogdon
Powell
Harris
Embiid


To Clippers
Harden and Korkmaz
Out:
Mann, Powell, Batum, Preston

Clippers form a big three
HArden
George
Kawhi
Morris
Zubac

To Boston
Mann, Batum
out
Brogdon

Celtics add a young kid with potential to shine in a 6th man role/spot starter. Add a big forward off the bench.

White/Pritchard/.../Banton
Brown/Mann/.../Scrubb
Tatum/Hauser/Walsh
KP/Batum/Brissett
Timelord/Horford/Kornet

Room left to add a vet min combo guard for the bench.

Not bad. It might actually make sense for all 3 teams.

I'd probably do it. Brogdon is probably better than either guy we're getting. But he's the worst defender of the 3. And Mann and Batum can both shoot it. This deal makes us deeper. We got off Brogdon's contract. We move off an injury prone guy to get 2 guys who aren't very injury prone.

I can see Mann playing a somewhat similar role here to the role Brogdon played for us. And Mann is bigger than Brogdon, a better defender, less injury prone, on a better contract and is 4 yrs younger. Then Batum would kind of be like a Grant Williams replacement.

Not sure how likely it is to happen - but this is a decent trade idea.