Rajon Rondo Traded To The Mavericks.

[Andrew McCeltic]

A little bit of everything, I reported almost a year ago that they wanted to lock bradley up to secure an asset, and wouldn't trade him until he got his new contract so it is of substantial monetary value before thinking about moving him. As far as I know they aren't actively shopping him

Shouldn't stop us from speculating about his trade value!

Bradley for Waiters and Wallace for the Cavs' TPE?


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Do the Cavs have a TPE that big?

Thought they still had one, know they have Haywood's contract..


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Really like the idea of getting IT from PHX, either trade for Bradley straight swap or work Wright in a deal for him.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Talking about Wright/IT on Phoenix board now.. How many years on Thomas' contract though? Water bugs like him aren't known for their longevity..


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Talking about Wright/IT on Phoenix board now.. How many years on Thomas' contract though? Water bugs like him aren't known for their longevity..


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4 years $27mil is his contract.. much better than Bradley.

[gocelts]

Only 2 games post-Rondo, so impressions are still forming, but here's my takeaway:

1. Better synergy. Synergy is hard to define, but let's just say that it's chemistry that creates energy. I feel like the Cs have had good chemistry all season, but still went on weird energy lulls from time to time. Not going to point the finger at Rajon for that, but just say that sometimes the team came out flat as a group and/or couldn't maintain high energy 48 minutes. Not saying they've turned that corner (they haven't) but what I've seen suggests they're going to be a little more consistent in that regard. Nothing earth-shattering, but an uptick nonetheless.

2. Why better synergy? Rondo is a star and he's a vet and he's knows what he wants when he wants it and when you're playing with a bunch of undistinguished players (mostly young guys but a few vets too) I think the effect sometimes was getting his guys to play scared, to think too much, and to generally remove them from the moment. In crunch time this manifested as guys standing around watching Rondo and Rondo watching them back and trying to find shots for guys who had quit moving and obviously that won't work. Vets are going to cause young guys to lose confidence because that's the nature of the beast but when it's Kobe or MJ or some other isolation alpha dog scorer than you can get by "watching" them (because they are literally playing with themselves) and sometimes that tough love brings out something in the young guy, inspires them to buckle down and get better. But with Rondo, who could take over games in every respect except isolation scoring, "watching" him was death because he was trying to play "with you", so watching him kills everything, not only for player confidence and development, but for the winning the game. Rondo needed guys on his level playing with him and too often this team's collection of youth and vets just weren't on the same level.

3. The upshot of that is that Rondo did not inspire his teammate, outside of Zeller and Bradley. Now, Rondo's the purest PG in the game and people took his inability to inspire his teammates as some kind of blight on his leadership, but this isn't necessarily all Rondo's fault, it was more the make up of his team and where everyone is in their development. Rondo's going to have no trouble inspiring his older more accomplished vet teammates in Dallas. What frightened his teammates in Boston will excite his teammates in Dallas--same guy, same personality, different results.

4. The guys remaining are all on the same level and that kind of evenness means each guy has the opportunity to inspire his teammates thru hard work, toughness, and desire. Nobody will feel out of their element or fall into "watching" instead of "playing".

5. A high school analogy: everyone has a clique and in their clique they feel the most comfortable, feel able to be who they are to the fullest....but put them in some other clique, maybe some school trip or something, and they will retreat into their shell and/or be someone else. And so, on this team, Rondo was the cool senior guy and he was hanging with a bunch of freshman nerds and even though everyone was nice and friendly and tried their hardest the freshman just couldn't be themselves until Rondo left the room.

6. So Rondo's left the room and I expect several guys to be more comfortable, to really stretch out their legs and grow. At the same time, I think we'll still suck but suck in a way that's fosters more development and inner confidence.

7. All that said, if Danny doesn't make this trade and we're looking at adding Josh Smith for nothing and playing him at center and going space and pace on steroids, I think we're a lot closer (in a linear sense) to #18 than we are now. We've chosen the long road and lotto balls and as we found out 2005-2007 that can be rewarding in its own way, but only if Danny makes the right moves with all the assets he's collected. Moving Rondo created more flexibility, created a vacuum for assets to grow, created more at bats and chances to find transcendent players, but ultimately Danny has got to hit 3 more homeruns when before he only needed 2.

I challenge that J Smith WAS available to us (maybe for Wallace) and they did not coincidently dump him immediately AFTER we dumped Rondo. Rondo and Smith have been rumored to us and to SAC.

Once Danny crashed the market, Detroit reacted.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Sounds more like Sacramento corrected the market by pulling back on their offers for Smith and Rondo and trying to pry loose Deron...


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[gocelts]

22. Los Angeles Lakers (Record: 8-19; last week’s rank: 21): The Lakers and Celtics had mutual interest for a Rajon Rondo deal, but the Lakers weren’t willing to give up injured rookie Julius Randle, a source said.


Wow- I would have been thrilled with Randle...Too bad all they offered was a late pick and Hill, and wanted Green too.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Randle would've been ok- probably could've done that deal this summer- but can't blame Ainge for wanting to see Smart and Rondo play and feel out the market..

Sometimes it pays to act on your predictions, though- once Love went off the market, everyone knew we weren't getting a second star this year, so that was the time to peddle Rondo.. DWill/Mclemore would've been a nice return in September..


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[ryaningf]

Rajon Rondo is a star. If you want to argue about something, argue about how big of a star, or how valuable of a star, or how effective a star he is at procuring Ws but to deny he's a star is to deny reality. He puts up #s, he puts butts in seats, he sells jersey, he moves units, etc... Maybe you don't like his movies maybe you have a taste for something slower and older and more traditional and easier to understand but when he's on the screen he's starring in those movies. People can't take their eyes off him. Teams key on him, teams put his name at the top of the list of things they want to stop. Little kids in the ghetto are trying to be him. Little white kids in the burbs want to be him too. He crosses all lines, draws in the causal fans who know nothing but know enough that when they watch 10 seconds of a random Rondo game they say "who's this guy?". He's RAJON RONDO and there's never been anyone like him. He doesn't shoot well enough from the line for you? Well Bogart was terrible with accents, but that didn't make him any less of a star.

There are been lot of stars in the league who never won anything by themselves. To hold that against them is to deny that basketball is a team sport. There are those players that can win something by themselves, and they are called transcendent players and there are like 3-5 of them in the league at any one time. Rondo is not transcendent though on occasion he can show up on the same court as a transcendent player and outplay/beat that player on that given day, you know, like a star.

Rondo makes everything so effortless, makes everything look so easy that invariably when he fails at something it seems like he's not trying. Yet another bogus claim--that he doesn't play hard. No, what he doesn't do is make things look hard. There's a difference, it's the same difference that exists between a craftsman and an artist. A craftsman labors, an artist creates.

[BfB]

Rajon Rondo is a star. If you want to argue about something, argue about how big of a star, or how valuable of a star, or how effective a star he is at procuring Ws but to deny he's a star is to deny reality. He puts up #s, he puts butts in seats, he sells jersey, he moves units, etc... Maybe you don't like his movies maybe you have a taste for something slower and older and more traditional and easier to understand but when he's on the screen he's starring in those movies. People can't take their eyes off him. Teams key on him, teams put his name at the top of the list of things they want to stop. Little kids in the ghetto are trying to be him. Little white kids in the burbs want to be him too. He crosses all lines, draws in the causal fans who know nothing but know enough that when they watch 10 seconds of a random Rondo game they say "who's this guy?". He's RAJON RONDO and there's never been anyone like him. He doesn't shoot well enough from the line for you? Well Bogart was terrible with accents, but that didn't make him any less of a star.

There are been lot of stars in the league who never won anything by themselves. To hold that against them is to deny that basketball is a team sport. There are those players that can win something by themselves, and they are called transcendent players and there are like 3-5 of them in the league at any one time. Rondo is not transcendent though on occasion he can show up on the same court as a transcendent player and outplay/beat that player on that given day, you know, like a star.

Rondo makes everything so effortless, makes everything look so easy that invariably when he fails at something it seems like he's not trying. Yet another bogus claim--that he doesn't play hard. No, what he doesn't do is make things look hard. There's a difference, it's the same difference that exists between a craftsman and an artist. A craftsman labors, an artist creates.

Great post - really tired of hearing these emotionally bias views of Rondo - he absolutely can be a top 3 player on a championship team...but it needs scoring from the other two. There is no shame in that.

Unfortunately, we don't have the two scorers yet, (wait on KO) and it was logical to move him given the market.

Now it's time to get Tiny Archibald 2.0 (IT) and start putting a squad together.

[laploutocratie]

Rondo is still a net negative on the Mavericks. Well, he's their problem now.

[shawn unkempt]

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Have fun with that, Dallas.

[KamikazeK]

Rondo is still a net negative on the Mavericks. Well, he's their problem now.

Hopefully Rondo destroys their team and we can get a good pick from them this year.

[exculpatory]

Rajon Rondo is a star. If you want to argue about something, argue about how big of a star, or how valuable of a star, or how effective a star he is at procuring Ws but to deny he's a star is to deny reality. He puts up #s, he puts butts in seats, he sells jersey, he moves units, etc... Maybe you don't like his movies maybe you have a taste for something slower and older and more traditional and easier to understand but when he's on the screen he's starring in those movies. People can't take their eyes off him. Teams key on him, teams put his name at the top of the list of things they want to stop. Little kids in the ghetto are trying to be him. Little white kids in the burbs want to be him too. He crosses all lines, draws in the causal fans who know nothing but know enough that when they watch 10 seconds of a random Rondo game they say "who's this guy?". He's RAJON RONDO and there's never been anyone like him. He doesn't shoot well enough from the line for you? Well Bogart was terrible with accents, but that didn't make him any less of a star.

There are been lot of stars in the league who never won anything by themselves. To hold that against them is to deny that basketball is a team sport. There are those players that can win something by themselves, and they are called transcendent players and there are like 3-5 of them in the league at any one time. Rondo is not transcendent though on occasion he can show up on the same court as a transcendent player and outplay/beat that player on that given day, you know, like a star.

Rondo makes everything so effortless, makes everything look so easy that invariably when he fails at something it seems like he's not trying. Yet another bogus claim--that he doesn't play hard. No, what he doesn't do is make things look hard. There's a difference, it's the same difference that exists between a craftsman and an artist. A craftsman labors, an artist creates.

That is a very creative post with great cinematographic analogies. Bogie was great.

Ok, overall, considering the entirety of his career, I will call him a small star.....but STILL a star because he performs so effortlessly, captivates kids of every race/ethnicity all over the world, puts butts in seats, & sells jerseys - which will ultimately lead to a cure for Ebola & chronic fatigue syndrome.

You are correct, Ryan. I will take the slower, less athletic, more conventional, durable, supremely multi-faceted, mega-clutch scorer/shooter with a totally well rounded game EVERY day of the week & 20 times on Sundays. After all, it is "all I can understand." Rondo's game is too complex for me to appreciate.

Here is reality:

If Bogart had acting deficiencies as blatantly egregious as Rondo's offensive liabilities & inability as well as lack of desire to score (in particular, his career long, absolutely ABYSMAL FT & 3 point shooting & his unfortunate complete offensive meltdown post ACL), he never would have been selected to act in Casablanca & To Have & Have Not, & Lauren Bacall would not have asked Bogie if he knew how to whistle.

PS: I forever will give Rondo BEAUCOUP credit for & will always very much appreciate (& never quite understand) his multiple magical PO performances back in the day.

[ILC]

Rondo is still a net negative on the Mavericks. Well, he's their problem now.

You may consider actually speaking the truth or people who are not watching the game may believe you. Rondo was good.

Ellis had a bad shooting night, Parsons was terrible, as was Dirk. Rondo creates them so many open looks and they either miss or fumble the ball. Dirk is falling apart right now, shooting below 20% from 3 this month.

Just wait until they build the chemistry and sign a decent big backup for Dirk and Chandler.

[exculpatory]

Rajon Rondo is a star. If you want to argue about something, argue about how big of a star, or how valuable of a star, or how effective a star he is at procuring Ws but to deny he's a star is to deny reality. He puts up #s, he puts butts in seats, he sells jersey, he moves units, etc... Maybe you don't like his movies maybe you have a taste for something slower and older and more traditional and easier to understand but when he's on the screen he's starring in those movies. People can't take their eyes off him. Teams key on him, teams put his name at the top of the list of things they want to stop. Little kids in the ghetto are trying to be him. Little white kids in the burbs want to be him too. He crosses all lines, draws in the causal fans who know nothing but know enough that when they watch 10 seconds of a random Rondo game they say "who's this guy?". He's RAJON RONDO and there's never been anyone like him. He doesn't shoot well enough from the line for you? Well Bogart was terrible with accents, but that didn't make him any less of a star.

There are been lot of stars in the league who never won anything by themselves. To hold that against them is to deny that basketball is a team sport. There are those players that can win something by themselves, and they are called transcendent players and there are like 3-5 of them in the league at any one time. Rondo is not transcendent though on occasion he can show up on the same court as a transcendent player and outplay/beat that player on that given day, you know, like a star.

Rondo makes everything so effortless, makes everything look so easy that invariably when he fails at something it seems like he's not trying. Yet another bogus claim--that he doesn't play hard. No, what he doesn't do is make things look hard. There's a difference, it's the same difference that exists between a craftsman and an artist. A craftsman labors, an artist creates.

Great post - really tired of hearing these emotionally biasED views of Rondo - he absolutely can be a top 3 player on a championship team...but it needs scoring from the other two. There is no shame in that.

Unfortunately, we don't have the two scorers yet, (wait on KO) and it was logical to move him given the market.

Now it's time to get Tiny Archibald 2.0 (IT) and start putting a squad together.

I do not think anything that I, Humble, Pete, & JFS etc have written is emotionally biasED at all.

Given his unique skillset & given that he is a maestro distributor, I would say he still can be a Top FOUR player on a championship team - but that team would need scoring from the other THREE to make up for his shooting/scoring inadequacies. And there is absolutely no shame in that. Maybe he will end up on such a team before Father Time robs him of his unique strengths.

[Banks2Pierce]

You may consider actually speaking the truth or people who are not watching the game may believe you. Rondo was good.

He was a big reason for a lot of their issues in the first 3 quarters. He cranked it up in the 4th, and especially on defense. Even took 2 or 3 charges. Channeling Simmons there, but seriously, when was the last time he did that here?

[BannersOnly]

I don't care what Rondo does in the regular season. Never have. All I know is the guy is muthaeffin MONEY when it counts in the playoffs and this year will be no different. I always laughed when people gave him **** for not playing like an all star every night in the regular season. Please. Give me a guy who goes ball to the wall and plays like a STUD in the playoffs. Rondo carried our asses so many times in the playoffs it isn't even funny. Haters are goin to hate.....and Rondo is goin to BALL come playoff time....wait and see.

[jfs1000d]

Rajon Rondo is a star. If you want to argue about something, argue about how big of a star, or how valuable of a star, or how effective a star he is at procuring Ws but to deny he's a star is to deny reality. He puts up #s, he puts butts in seats, he sells jersey, he moves units, etc... Maybe you don't like his movies maybe you have a taste for something slower and older and more traditional and easier to understand but when he's on the screen he's starring in those movies. People can't take their eyes off him. Teams key on him, teams put his name at the top of the list of things they want to stop. Little kids in the ghetto are trying to be him. Little white kids in the burbs want to be him too. He crosses all lines, draws in the causal fans who know nothing but know enough that when they watch 10 seconds of a random Rondo game they say "who's this guy?". He's RAJON RONDO and there's never been anyone like him. He doesn't shoot well enough from the line for you? Well Bogart was terrible with accents, but that didn't make him any less of a star.

There are been lot of stars in the league who never won anything by themselves. To hold that against them is to deny that basketball is a team sport. There are those players that can win something by themselves, and they are called transcendent players and there are like 3-5 of them in the league at any one time. Rondo is not transcendent though on occasion he can show up on the same court as a transcendent player and outplay/beat that player on that given day, you know, like a star.

Rondo makes everything so effortless, makes everything look so easy that invariably when he fails at something it seems like he's not trying. Yet another bogus claim--that he doesn't play hard. No, what he doesn't do is make things look hard. There's a difference, it's the same difference that exists between a craftsman and an artist. A craftsman labors, an artist creates.

Great post - really tired of hearing these emotionally biasED views of Rondo - he absolutely can be a top 3 player on a championship team...but it needs scoring from the other two. There is no shame in that.

Unfortunately, we don't have the two scorers yet, (wait on KO) and it was logical to move him given the market.

Now it's time to get Tiny Archibald 2.0 (IT) and start putting a squad together.

I do not think anything that I, Humble, Pete, & JFS etc have written is emotionally biasED at all.

Given his unique skillset & given that he is a maestro distributor, I would say he still can be a Top FOUR player on a championship team - but that team would need scoring from the other THREE to make up for his shooting/scoring inadequacies. And there is absolutely no shame in that. Maybe he will end up on such a team before Father Time robs him of his unique strengths.

I think I nailed rondo perfectly. At his best he is a master conductor. He can wreck games with his tempo, defense, passing etc. Rondo, though, wasn't the same player post acl. He also did t try hard every night. Tuesday's against Milwaukee he was 6pts. 9 assists 3-7 shooting. Saturday on Abc? He is 20pts, 15 rebound and 20 assists.

The fact there is a headbands/national tv/playoff rondo alter ego is a problem. I want headbands rondo effort every night. Too many nights we had zombie rondo.

Also, he didnt give effort this year. Not every night. I hate inconsistent effort players.

My definition of a great player is Paul Pierce. Even when moody, brought it every night. Sacrificed and changed his game too. Also, became a decent defensive player when he got older and less athletic. That is all effort.

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My definition of a great player is Paul Pierce. Even when moody, brought it every night. Sacrificed and changed his game too. Also, became a decent defensive player when he got older and less athletic. That is all effort.

Very few players have the ability to go hard, every moment, at both ends of the court. Pierce was never one of the few. But he went hard consistently at whichever end of the court he felt he was supposed to, and in crunch time at both ends. Back in his ISO prime, I never saw him fail to stop another great ISO player taking the final shot -- not TMac, not Jordan (admittedly Wizards Jordan), not anybody else I can think of.