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Draftees 2016 – Brown, Yabusele, Žižić, Jackson, Nader

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Post#881 » by Gant » Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:09 pm

Braindesign wrote:Hopefully he finds a tread mill. I really like his game, but I still think Yabs will need to lose some weight to truly be an effective NBA player. He should get on Crowder's training program and get down to around 240-250.


He reportedly cut down to 6% body fat. That's toward the low end for pro athletes. He's just a lot bigger person than Crowder, which is saying something.

Here's a report from the fall on that, and he doesn't look heavier now:
The Sharks’ strength program is run by James Scott, a Houston native who previously held a similar role with the Rockets. The team also employs a sports scientist who tracks how factors such as sleep patterns and heart rates can affect performance. The elite setup is an anomaly in the CBA.

After working with Scott for a month — and also often subbing vegetables for greasy foods — Yabusele lost about 10 pounds and lowered his body fat from 9 percent to 6 percent.


In Sunday’s fast-paced matchup against the Rockets, Yabusele played 44 minutes and did not appear fatigued. He was still sprinting in the fourth quarter, when he had 14 points and six rebounds.

“Guerschon just loves working,” Scott said. “He’s the perfect project: young, hungry, talented, gifted.”


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Post#882 » by Parliament10 » Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:12 pm

CrowderKeg wrote:BREAKING NEWS: Guerschon Yabusele spotted in Boston!

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Post#883 » by lon3lytoaster » Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:24 pm

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CrowderKeg wrote:BREAKING NEWS: Guerschon Yabusele spotted in Boston!

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Despite the snowstorm, Gershon Yabusele arrived in Boston. We should learn more about his program soon.


Yes! Really excited to see Yabs play in Maine (hopefully) and I am super intrigued by him as a player. He and Zizic play with a bit of a mean streak that would fit in nicely with IT and Jae.

That brute strength and finesse he has is something else. I still don't know if he'll be a great NBA player, maybe it's the draymond effect but damn if I'm not excited about him.
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Post#884 » by Braindesign » Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:46 pm

That's great that he's ripped and has a 6.5% body fat, but I still think slimming down some will help him at the NBA level. It will help with his quickness and explosiveness around the rim, which he will need against taller and faster players in the NBA compared to who he has competed against so far in his career.

Right now Yabs reminds me of Brandon Hunter. Hunter was 6'8" 265 with a 36" vertical. He shot the three at 33% at Ohio University. Hunter had a ton of skill, but was just too bulky and was out of the league in 2 years. Everyone compared Hunter to Gary Trent. Many are making the same comparison to Trent with Yabs. I wonder how Hunter would have panned out had he dropped down to 240-50 instead of 265+. He might have had a better shot at having a Gary Trent type career. If we get peak Trent like production out of Yabs when he matures; somewhere around 12 points and 6-7 rebounds, I'd say we've done very well with the draft pick.
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Post#885 » by Murta » Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:48 pm

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I believe that I've read on here that if you delete your cookies for Boston.com, the free article limit resets.

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I believe that is true. Switching browsers/devices certainly works. Between Chrome and Firefox I'm pretty much set.


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Post#886 » by SeizeCoup » Tue Mar 14, 2017 6:28 pm

Braindesign wrote:That's great that he's ripped and has a 6.5% body fat, but I still think slimming down some will help him at the NBA level. It will help with his quickness and explosiveness around the rim, which he will need against taller and faster players in the NBA compared to who he has competed against so far in his career.

Right now Yabs reminds me of Brandon Hunter. Hunter was 6'8" 265 with a 36" vertical. He shot the three at 33% at Ohio University. Hunter had a ton of skill, but was just too bulky and was out of the league in 2 years. Everyone compared Hunter to Gary Trent. Many are making the same comparison to Trent with Yabs. I wonder how Hunter would have panned out had he dropped down to 240-50 instead of 265+. He might have had a better shot at having a Gary Trent type career. If we get peak Trent like production out of Yabs when he matures; somewhere around 12 points and 6-7 rebounds, I'd say we've done very well with the draft pick.


Not a horrible comparison, BHunter to Yabs. At least physically you're right on the mark.

The biggest difference imo is how comfortable Yabs looks out on the perimeter. Hunter did most of his work closer to the hoop.

But I do agree that they play with a similar aggression, and both are very nimble for their size/strength. Yabs imo seems a little quicker, and the shot he's shown me during his time in China adds a huge element to his game which Hunter lacked. Yabs also seems like a quicker jumper, whereas Hunter seemed to always gather himself before jumping.
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Post#887 » by Homerclease » Tue Mar 14, 2017 6:52 pm

One thing about Zizic that's going to be a concern early is going to be foul trouble. As aggressive as he is, he's going to need time to adjust to the NBA game and I can envision him picking up some cheap fouls early on going for rebounds. We're gonna need a vet big man or 2 brought in on the league minimum much like Green was this year IMO. Maybe Jerebko might be back on a minimum deal. The others I think get more elsewhere
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Post#888 » by KGboss » Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:25 pm

Could we bring Yabs up to the pro team in place of Mickey before the April 14th deadline?

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Post#889 » by bucknersrevenge » Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:31 pm

KGboss wrote:Could we bring Yabs up to the pro team in place of Mickey before the April 14th deadline?

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Post#890 » by Parliament10 » Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:43 pm

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KGboss wrote:Could we bring Yabs up to the pro team in place of Mickey before the April 14th deadline?

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We could...but we won't.

Right. Because we'd lose his whole Rookie Year.
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Post#891 » by Grahf » Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:43 pm

Braindesign wrote:That's great that he's ripped and has a 6.5% body fat, but I still think slimming down some will help him at the NBA level. It will help with his quickness and explosiveness around the rim, which he will need against taller and faster players in the NBA compared to who he has competed against so far in his career.

Right now Yabs reminds me of Brandon Hunter. Hunter was 6'8" 265 with a 36" vertical. He shot the three at 33% at Ohio University. Hunter had a ton of skill, but was just too bulky and was out of the league in 2 years. Everyone compared Hunter to Gary Trent. Many are making the same comparison to Trent with Yabs. I wonder how Hunter would have panned out had he dropped down to 240-50 instead of 265+. He might have had a better shot at having a Gary Trent type career. If we get peak Trent like production out of Yabs when he matures; somewhere around 12 points and 6-7 rebounds, I'd say we've done very well with the draft pick.


Interesting comparison, but I would say that Yabusele is far, far more athletic than Hunter was. Also I think Hunter was 6'6", maybe even shorter.
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Post#892 » by DarkAzcura » Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:50 pm

Super interesting that Yabu will play for the Claws. I don't pay attention to D League stuff too much, but when was the last time a first round pick played for his team's D League affiliate without actually being signed on to the parent club's books? Pretty unique situation, and I'm guessing it's one that only lines up with the Chinese League and Australian league schedules?
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Post#893 » by Ed Pinkney » Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:58 pm

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Braindesign wrote:That's great that he's ripped and has a 6.5% body fat, but I still think slimming down some will help him at the NBA level. It will help with his quickness and explosiveness around the rim, which he will need against taller and faster players in the NBA compared to who he has competed against so far in his career.

Right now Yabs reminds me of Brandon Hunter. Hunter was 6'8" 265 with a 36" vertical. He shot the three at 33% at Ohio University. Hunter had a ton of skill, but was just too bulky and was out of the league in 2 years. Everyone compared Hunter to Gary Trent. Many are making the same comparison to Trent with Yabs. I wonder how Hunter would have panned out had he dropped down to 240-50 instead of 265+. He might have had a better shot at having a Gary Trent type career. If we get peak Trent like production out of Yabs when he matures; somewhere around 12 points and 6-7 rebounds, I'd say we've done very well with the draft pick.


Interesting comparison, but I would say that Yabusele is far, far more athletic than Hunter was. Also I think Hunter was 6'6", maybe even shorter.



I never knew Brandon Hunter could shoot to be honest. Seems like he was born 15 years too early, a rebounding beast who could shoot threes is a nice skill set to have in 2017.

Personally I don't think Yabs has to drop a heap of weight, if he can maintain his mobility and quickness at his current size this means with his strength he can play some five and stretch the floor. I would imagine this is the direction Stevens would want him to go on the team.
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Post#894 » by bobbeaver » Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:49 pm

Homerclease wrote:One thing about Zizic that's going to be a concern early is going to be foul trouble. As aggressive as he is, he's going to need time to adjust to the NBA game and I can envision him picking up some cheap fouls early on going for rebounds. We're gonna need a vet big man or 2 brought in on the league minimum much like Green was this year IMO. Maybe Jerebko might be back on a minimum deal. The others I think get more elsewhere

Well he is definitively not faul prone. That shouldnt be an issue. He is very aggressive but he isnt reckless
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Post#895 » by Homerclease » Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:52 pm

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Homerclease wrote:One thing about Zizic that's going to be a concern early is going to be foul trouble. As aggressive as he is, he's going to need time to adjust to the NBA game and I can envision him picking up some cheap fouls early on going for rebounds. We're gonna need a vet big man or 2 brought in on the league minimum much like Green was this year IMO. Maybe Jerebko might be back on a minimum deal. The others I think get more elsewhere

Well he is definitively not faul prone. That shouldnt be an issue. He is very aggressive but he isnt reckless

He isn't in Europe, but the NBA is a different game and he will be a rookie and rookies are known to get ticky tack fouls called on them. He's gonna get a crash course in defending the pick and roll and how to rotate in the paint on defense to help on the weak side. His aggressiveness will be a double edged sword at first
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Post#896 » by Parliament10 » Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:58 pm

Homerclease wrote:
bobbeaver wrote:
Homerclease wrote:One thing about Zizic that's going to be a concern early is going to be foul trouble. As aggressive as he is, he's going to need time to adjust to the NBA game and I can envision him picking up some cheap fouls early on going for rebounds. We're gonna need a vet big man or 2 brought in on the league minimum much like Green was this year IMO. Maybe Jerebko might be back on a minimum deal. The others I think get more elsewhere

Well he is definitively not faul prone. That shouldnt be an issue. He is very aggressive but he isnt reckless

He isn't in Europe, but the NBA is a different game and he will be a rookie and rookies are known to get ticky tack fouls called on them. He's gonna get a crash course in defending the pick and roll and how to rotate in the paint on defense to help on the weak side. His aggressiveness will be a double edged sword at first

Agreed.

And Žižić actually has gotten into some foul trouble.
In the NBA, it will be multiplied.
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Post#897 » by bobbeaver » Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:19 am

Homerclease wrote:
bobbeaver wrote:
Homerclease wrote:One thing about Zizic that's going to be a concern early is going to be foul trouble. As aggressive as he is, he's going to need time to adjust to the NBA game and I can envision him picking up some cheap fouls early on going for rebounds. We're gonna need a vet big man or 2 brought in on the league minimum much like Green was this year IMO. Maybe Jerebko might be back on a minimum deal. The others I think get more elsewhere

Well he is definitively not faul prone. That shouldnt be an issue. He is very aggressive but he isnt reckless

He isn't in Europe, but the NBA is a different game and he will be a rookie and rookies are known to get ticky tack fouls called on them. He's gonna get a crash course in defending the pick and roll and how to rotate in the paint on defense to help on the weak side. His aggressiveness will be a double edged sword at first

Well you mentioned rebounding. That part is similar everywhere despite the athleticism (ask Saric), And you can see if he is foul prone in that regard from early on during his learning curve. I have no doubt there. But you are right about the ticky tack fouls (although in Europe they call everything aswell that should help). And you are absolutely right that it will be a big adjustment in PnR defense (in Europe they do it differently) n the role to the weak side. That might make some issues in his general defense and fouls till he adapts for sure. But i have a feeling he will adapt faster because of his aggression and competitiveness.
I have a sense, looking at Zubac and Saric it should take him half a season to adapt his game. Offensively i think less.
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Post#898 » by bobbeaver » Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:21 am

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Homerclease wrote:
bobbeaver wrote:Well he is definitively not faul prone. That shouldnt be an issue. He is very aggressive but he isnt reckless

He isn't in Europe, but the NBA is a different game and he will be a rookie and rookies are known to get ticky tack fouls called on them. He's gonna get a crash course in defending the pick and roll and how to rotate in the paint on defense to help on the weak side. His aggressiveness will be a double edged sword at first

Agreed.

And Žižić actually has gotten into some foul trouble.
In the NBA, it will be multiplied.

Only on rare occasions and trust me the fouls they call in Europe they would not call in the NBA. plus we only get 5 fouls
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Post#899 » by Parliament10 » Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:33 am

bobbeaver wrote:
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Homerclease wrote:He isn't in Europe, but the NBA is a different game and he will be a rookie and rookies are known to get ticky tack fouls called on them. He's gonna get a crash course in defending the pick and roll and how to rotate in the paint on defense to help on the weak side. His aggressiveness will be a double edged sword at first

Agreed.

And Žižić actually has gotten into some foul trouble.
In the NBA, it will be multiplied.

Only on rare occasions and trust me the fouls they call in Europe they would not call in the NBA. plus we only get 5 fouls

NBA players know how to get Rookies into foul trouble.
And the Refs call everything they see.

Žižić will develop and adapt, no doubt about that.
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Post#900 » by Curmudgeon » Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:40 am

Yes, Zizic is going to be foul prone initially, because he plays so hard. He'll learn.
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