What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling?

[bucknersrevenge]

They need to move Kemba to reset their cap for a third man. The sooner the better

Who even wants or needs a PG like Kemba right now?? Maybe the Knicks? But who else? I just don't see a market for Kemba even if Danny wanted to move him which certainly he does not. This is not me disagreeing with your post in any way btw.

Dallas maybe? Kemba needs to play well the rest of this year and build some confidence back up in the market on that knee and then we need to jettison him before it gives out for good

Forgot about Dallas. That's where I thought he was going before we got him in fact now that I recall. No idea what we could get for him though.

[Captain_Caveman]

Who even wants or needs a PG like Kemba right now?? Maybe the Knicks? But who else? I just don't see a market for Kemba even if Danny wanted to move him which certainly he does not. This is not me disagreeing with your post in any way btw.

Dallas maybe? Kemba needs to play well the rest of this year and build some confidence back up in the market on that knee and then we need to jettison him before it gives out for good

Forgot about Dallas. That's where I thought he was going before we got him in fact now that I recall. No idea what we could get for him though.

I don't see teams like Dallas jeopardizing max cap room for him.

[Cuban Pete]

Jaylen is making me obese by forcing me to eat all of my critical words about him. I took a while, but last year his shooting was better than average. This year, his defense has finally arrived while his shooting continues to improve in leaps and bounds. His Steal/Block rates are new highs. Right now, he's out performing Tatum. If Jaylen continues this trend, he'll be a no-brainer for a max contract.

[FlatearthZorro]

Jaylen is making me obese by forcing me to eat all of my critical words about him. I took a while, but last year his shooting was better than average. This year, his defense has finally arrived while his shooting continues to improve in leaps and bounds. His Steal/Block rates are new highs. Right now, he's out performing Tatum. If Jaylen continues this trend, he'll be a no-brainer for a max contract.

He would've gotten the max had he not signed the contract he did early. I mean even if he averaged 18-19 pts, he would've gotten the max. I really had a feeling ATL would've given him the max with ease. He's from ATL and he would've been a great fit there.

[24istheLAW]

Right on, but funny thing about that is that I wasn't wrong on the other stuff that I was supposed to do a mea culpa for. Soft tanking would have gotten us Embiid over Smart at the least, and IT was in fact not a building block and was better suited to a 6th man role due to his total lack of defense and the fact his small body was not going to hold up to his style of play.

On Jaylen, I never thought he was terrible, just thought he was slightly overpaid and did not see him as a top 25 player. He actually might be top 15 right now. Bravo.

Now that it seems they have a legitimate number one and number two, they just need to find a way to get some more talent around them. The Kings and Grizzlies picks not working out really screwed things up.

They need to move Kemba to reset their cap for a third man. The sooner the better

Per Dangercart's calculations on his site, if the Celtics added a 30% max player during their cap space window after Kemba walks, they'd have $10M left for the rest of the roster. Would the plan be to move Kemba sooner for the 3rd man, while Brown and Tatum are less expensive?

Source: https://www.dangerc.art/post/celtics-offseason-preview-part-2-the-centrality-of-tatum

[Gomes3PC]

Dallas maybe? Kemba needs to play well the rest of this year and build some confidence back up in the market on that knee and then we need to jettison him before it gives out for good

Forgot about Dallas. That's where I thought he was going before we got him in fact now that I recall. No idea what we could get for him though.

I don't see teams like Dallas jeopardizing max cap room for him.

What max cap players are realistically coming up though? Is Kawhi really gonna opt out? after him, it's guys like Oladipo who I think are not any better than Kemba and no guarantee to want to play in Dallas.

[24istheLAW]

Forgot about Dallas. That's where I thought he was going before we got him in fact now that I recall. No idea what we could get for him though.

I don't see teams like Dallas jeopardizing max cap room for him.

What max cap players are realistically coming up though? Is Kawhi really gonna opt out? after him, it's guys like Oladipo who I think are not any better than Kemba and no guarantee to want to play in Dallas.

Oladipo is 2 years younger, bigger and better defensively. I'd definitely prefer Doncic/Oladipo/Porzingis to Doncic/Kemba/Porzingis if I were Dallas.

Hindsight is 20/20, but I can't help but feel that failing to turn Gordon Hayward into Turner is really hurting the team's long-term flexibility.

Right now, you're looking for a way to jettison Kemba to sign a 3rd banana, because the effective "slot" in the salary structure that Hayward occupied, can't be filled with a max player. If you turn the TPE into Otto Porter or Harrison Barnes or something... that's a dead end. If you had been able to turn Gordo into Myles Turner, you have a prime-age C hitting FA at the same time as Tatum's disgruntled buddy Brad Beal.

I'm really stumped by how to add a 3rd banana to this team.

[captain green]

Well currently 7th in scoring and 7th in per and shooting % 51 ish those that said not top ten pffffft lol

[Gomes3PC]

I don't see teams like Dallas jeopardizing max cap room for him.

What max cap players are realistically coming up though? Is Kawhi really gonna opt out? after him, it's guys like Oladipo who I think are not any better than Kemba and no guarantee to want to play in Dallas.

Oladipo is 2 years younger, bigger and better defensively. I'd definitely prefer Doncic/Oladipo/Porzingis to Doncic/Kemba/Porzingis if I were Dallas.

Hindsight is 20/20, but I can't help but feel that failing to turn Gordon Hayward into Turner is really hurting the team's long-term flexibility.

Right now, you're looking for a way to jettison Kemba to sign a 3rd banana, because the effective "slot" in the salary structure that Hayward occupied, can't be filled with a max player. If you turn the TPE into Otto Porter or Harrison Barnes or something... that's a dead end. If you had been able to turn Gordo into Myles Turner, you have a prime-age C hitting FA at the same time as Tatum's disgruntled buddy Brad Beal.

I'm really stumped by how to add a 3rd banana to this team.

Myles Turner wasn't changing the complexion of this team. Show all the block rate stats you want, he gets housed in the playoffs all the time repeatedly and our center production has been just fine. No interest in locking us into that deal.

Yes, Oladipo is younger but he's not been the same guy post injury, nor is there any remote guarantee he goes to Dallas. He's already stated his preference is Miami. It's a known fact Dallas was the #2 suitor for Kemba in free agency, so they clearly think he's a good fit for playing next to Luka.

Plenty of interesting options with the TPE. Porter is far from a dead end. 13 PPG on 48/43/83 shooting with good D on the wing at 27 years old? Yeah, I'll take that. Aaron Gordon fits in a similar manner. Heck, Oladipo fits that TPE slot himself and I would suspect a near-bankrupt Fertitta would be happy to dump him for a pick or two. Zach LaVine and Julius Randle in that slot too, though they're not my cup of tea.

You could also split it and get some combination of pieces like George Hill + Larry Nance.

[24istheLAW]

What max cap players are realistically coming up though? Is Kawhi really gonna opt out? after him, it's guys like Oladipo who I think are not any better than Kemba and no guarantee to want to play in Dallas.

Oladipo is 2 years younger, bigger and better defensively. I'd definitely prefer Doncic/Oladipo/Porzingis to Doncic/Kemba/Porzingis if I were Dallas.

Hindsight is 20/20, but I can't help but feel that failing to turn Gordon Hayward into Turner is really hurting the team's long-term flexibility.

Right now, you're looking for a way to jettison Kemba to sign a 3rd banana, because the effective "slot" in the salary structure that Hayward occupied, can't be filled with a max player. If you turn the TPE into Otto Porter or Harrison Barnes or something... that's a dead end. If you had been able to turn Gordo into Myles Turner, you have a prime-age C hitting FA at the same time as Tatum's disgruntled buddy Brad Beal.

I'm really stumped by how to add a 3rd banana to this team.

Myles Turner wasn't changing the complexion of this team. Show all the block rate stats you want, he gets housed in the playoffs all the time repeatedly and our center production has been just fine. No interest in locking us into that deal.

Yes, Oladipo is younger but he's not been the same guy post injury, nor is there any remote guarantee he goes to Dallas. He's already stated his preference is Miami. It's a known fact Dallas was the #2 suitor for Kemba in free agency, so they clearly think he's a good fit for playing next to Luka.

Plenty of interesting options with the TPE. Porter is far from a dead end. 13 PPG on 48/43/83 shooting with good D on the wing at 27 years old? Yeah, I'll take that. Aaron Gordon fits in a similar manner. Heck, Oladipo fits that TPE slot himself and I would suspect a near-bankrupt Fertitta would be happy to dump him for a pick or two. Zach LaVine and Julius Randle in that slot too, though they're not my cup of tea.

You could also split it and get some combination of pieces like George Hill + Larry Nance.

Otto Porter is a fine basketball player. I meant that using the TPE on him is a "dead-end", in that you cannot parlay his slot in the salary structure into a third star.

Say we re-sign Porter to a two-year deal after the season. When Bradley Beal hits unrestricted free agency, are you going to go to the Wizards and offer a S&T deal centered around Otto Porter-for-Bradley Beal?

Turner was interesting, because beyond contributing to the team/replacing UFA Theis for the next 2 seasons, if he plays well, you have a 27-year old starting C to offer as a starting point in a S&T in that pivotal offseason where the Celts have a window to add a disgruntled 3rd star.

[Gomes3PC]

I would wager to bet that Porter has more trade value around the league than Turner. Indy shopped him all off-season with no takers.

[bisme37]

Jaylen Brown Is Using The Midrange Shot To Reach A Different Level

“Not only is he taking nearly twice as many midrange shots as he did last year, but, according to NBA.com’s tracking data, he has also drilled 56.8 percent of them, with the majority off the dribble. For context, Kevin Durant, one of the best midrange off-the-dribble shooters of all time, has never shot better than 55.1 percent on these sorts of looks over the course of a full season.”

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/jaylen-brown-is-using-the-midrange-shot-to-reach-a-different-level/?addata=espn:frontpage

https://sports.yahoo.com/boston-jaylen-brown-become-nba-175709009.html

[Feed Your Head]

Jaylen Brown Is Using The Midrange Shot To Reach A Different Level

“Not only is he taking nearly twice as many midrange shots as he did last year, but, according to NBA.com’s tracking data, he has also drilled 56.8 percent of them, with the majority off the dribble. For context, Kevin Durant, one of the best midrange off-the-dribble shooters of all time, has never shot better than 55.1 percent on these sorts of looks over the course of a full season.”

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/jaylen-brown-is-using-the-midrange-shot-to-reach-a-different-level/?addata=espn:frontpage

https://sports.yahoo.com/boston-jaylen-brown-become-nba-175709009.html

I think Keevsnick posted that Jaylen should be taking more off the dribble threes, the above is why. There is going to be a dramatic course correction with that stat, sooner or later. A good way to make up for that is to take more threes going forward.

People can say “well he will still be averaging 25 ppg if he shoots last years percentage”, and that’s true, but it’s not black and white like that. Once he starts going cold from that area of the floor, it will change his game and how he’s defended, because he doesn’t really force things. I want him to get ahead of that, I hope to see him taking eight threes a games at this point.

[ConstableGeneva]

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[BostonCouchGM]

Jaylen's defense was terrible. And what a bad look to luck out and get that turnover at the end and inexplicably pass to Semi? WTF was that? If you want to be the man you have to have the nerve to take that last shot with the slower AD on you or at least pass to someone other than Semi. His lack of BBIQ reared its ugly head.

[keevsnick1]

Jaylen's defense was terrible. And what a bad look to luck out and get that turnover at the end and inexplicably pass to Semi? WTF was that? If you want to be the man you have to have the nerve to take that last shot with the slower AD on you or at least pass to someone other than Semi. His lack of BBIQ reared its ugly head.

The right play. The ball got to your PG for a decent look.

[Bleeding Green]

Passing to open players is bad now. This is like complaining that Michael Jordan passed it to Steve Kerr.

Zzzzzzzz.

[Floody100]

Jaylen's defense was terrible. And what a bad look to luck out and get that turnover at the end and inexplicably pass to Semi? WTF was that? If you want to be the man you have to have the nerve to take that last shot with the slower AD on you or at least pass to someone other than Semi. His lack of BBIQ reared its ugly head.

He’s back !

[Ill News]

Jaylen's defense was terrible. And what a bad look to luck out and get that turnover at the end and inexplicably pass to Semi? WTF was that? If you want to be the man you have to have the nerve to take that last shot with the slower AD on you or at least pass to someone other than Semi. His lack of BBIQ reared its ugly head.

Oh **** off, watch the final seconds again. Brown was surrounded by three Lakers when he got the ball, and there were no other Celtics near him. If anything, I fault Kemba for that play: he got the steal but threw a risky pass to Brown on a 3-on-1 (pass was a little too far ahead), it's a wonder the ball didn't get stolen from him. There was SO MUCH TIME LEFT when Kemba got that steal, he should've dribbled calmly to our court and we probably would've gotten a better shot. And Tatum didn't even run all the way back on that final play, smh. He could've had a three from the top of the key had he run back. Watch it again:

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Doesn't matter, if Brown shot that ball despite being covered by AD and another Laker and clanked it, you'd still be ragging on him for taking a "terrible" shot.

[Bleeding Green]

You need to stop quoting him for real, it's beyond comedy at this point. He's literally going to be in the back row of the HOF induction speech murmuring, "Lonzo's better. He shouldn't have passed it."