Trade/Free Agency Thread, whose NINE is it anyways?? 2023-24

[zoyathedestroya]

Walsh seeing Herb Jones as someone he can emulate excites me. At the very least, Joe should utilize him in practices guarding JT, JB, and our guards.

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[Andrew McCeltic]

John Karalis on WEEI: Neither Brown or Tatum are as good as the two of them, think they are...

You can probably say the same for Karalis. But more importantly, what examples does he have to provide? Not that I'm dismissing this comment.

You could make a case for the Jays as Pierce and Antoine, Jaylen better than Walker, with a better supporting cast than the O’Brien teams in the same style. Floor spacing, great defense, let your two iso guys carry you.

Tatum is better than Pierce, Jaylen isn’t right now.

But that’s a team that overachieves its star talent. Like the one and done Pistons champs.

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And based on the n b, a's financial growth scale, brown will be eligible to make 2.2 trillion dollars per year.. And still posters will say It's better than letting him walk..

[darrendaye]

John Karalis on WEEI: Neither Brown or Tatum are as good as the two of them, think they are...

You can probably say the same for Karalis. But more importantly, what examples does he have to provide? Not that I'm dismissing this comment.

You could make a case for the Jays as Pierce and Antoine, Jaylen better than Walker, with a better supporting cast than the O’Brien teams in the same style. Floor spacing, great defense, let your two iso guys carry you.

Tatum is better than Pierce, Jaylen isn’t right now.

But that’s a team that overachieves its star talent. Like the one and done Pistons champs.

Not a direct comparison, but, I look at Jaylen (especially now) as the Ray Allen. Clearly not the same shooter, but, like Ray (and his complaints about it), a guy who fits best as an off-ball mover and dribble drive attacks when there's opportunity. The issue is being willing to see all that "wasted/unrewarded" movement that does not result in a touch is very helpful for the offense as a whole and to team success.

As for Tatum/Pierce, Pierce saw his usage dip to the 25% range with Rondo in more control of the offense but he still managed to find 4.5ish assists. It could be that just by adding Porzingis Tatum's assist numbers will increase as the primary offense hub. But Tatum's got to be more steward than pilot at times too.

[CelticFaninLBC]

So the alleged "major market development" could be WCJ becoming available...

Perhaps Stevens swaps Rob for WCJ, since WCJ can shoot 3's and seems a better fit for JoeBall.

[Patsfan1081]

On the Sports Hub with Murray, Gasper and B Robb,
they are discussing the possibility that the hold up in the Brown
signing is that of Jaylen willing to take less in return for them bringing in
one of his Bros. B Robb said possibly a Big, and the others noted
that Brown is following WCJ on Instagram...

Doubt Jaylen would do that and by all accounts they're offering the max

Did B Robb say any sourced stuff or no

This would set a bad precedent as vp, I kind of believe its more the fifth year option.

[darrendaye]

So the alleged "major market development" could be WCJ becoming available...

Perhaps Stevens swaps Rob for WCJ, since WCJ can shoot 3's and seems a better fit for JoeBall.

Tatum, Brown, Porzingis, and Brogdon with Carter heading to the lockroom at halftime by midseason....

[Andrew McCeltic]

You can probably say the same for Karalis. But more importantly, what examples does he have to provide? Not that I'm dismissing this comment.

You could make a case for the Jays as Pierce and Antoine, Jaylen better than Walker, with a better supporting cast than the O’Brien teams in the same style. Floor spacing, great defense, let your two iso guys carry you.

Tatum is better than Pierce, Jaylen isn’t right now.

But that’s a team that overachieves its star talent. Like the one and done Pistons champs.

Not a direct comparison, but, I look at Jaylen (especially now) as the Ray Allen. Clearly not the same shooter, but, like Ray (and his complaints about it), a guy who fits best as an off-ball mover and dribble drive attacks when there's opportunity. The issue is being willing to see all that "wasted/unrewarded" movement that does not result in a touch is very helpful for the offense as a whole and to team success.

As for Tatum/Pierce, Pierce saw his usage dip to the 25% range with Rondo in more control of the offense but he still managed to find 4.5ish assists. It could be that just by adding Porzingis Tatum's assist numbers will increase as the primary offense hub. But Tatum's got to be more steward than pilot at times too.

Interesting. Jaylen would be perfect as a third scorer who picks his spots and doesn't have to over-dribble.

Ray had become a pretty graceful ball-dominant player in Seattle, could handle the ball and pass probably better than Pierce. But he was the best fit for an off-ball role because his shooting was so elite.

Good offensive execution isn't just about making the effort. The same way 4-5 out spacing opens more driving lanes for scorers, the right mix of talent makes life easier. Defenses are weaker when they have to choose between guarding so many options and play types. More breathing room = more time to process, more opportunities, breakdowns to exploit, more obvious visual cues from defenders who over-commit or hesitate. You can end up seeing the best of average passers and playmakers.

And Ime and Joe have been slowly molding a pretty crap group into a very good regular season offense - even if it's all tied to the 3-ball. This group has room for growth already. Experience almost always raises offensive IQ.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Can we give Jaylen supermax incentives for shooting efficiency and A:TO going to his left? On minimum number of attempts..

Zoolander needs to practice.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Brogdon, Horford, maybe Pritchard for Suggs, Gary Harris and WCJ? I'd add the GSW 1st and a protected BOS 1st or a boatload of seconds..

Like Perk to OKC, Smart to MEM, FVV to Houston, young team brings in some veterans. Brogdon can play either guard position for them next to Black and Fultz..

Brogdon/Black/Anthony
Fultz/Jett
Wagner/Ingles
Paolo/Okeke
Al/Wagner/Bitadze

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Derrick Jones Jr is entering his prime at age 26. He's got a 7'0" wingspan and a 43" vertical.

Last season, DJJ had the #1 net rating on the Bulls, among dudes who played in more than 12 games.

Sign him.

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Only downside is that he declined a $3.3 mil player option with the Bulls for this season, which tells me he wants to make more than that on his next contract - which is more than we can afford.

We'll see...maybe no one else gives him that kind of money and we're able to sign him for the minimum?

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[CelticFaninLBC]

Brogdon, Horford, maybe Pritchard for Suggs, Gary Harris and WCJ? I'd add the GSW 1st and a protected BOS 1st or a boatload of seconds..

Like Perk to OKC, Smart to MEM, FVV to Houston, young team brings in some veterans. Brogdon can play either guard position for them next to Black and Fultz..

Brogdon/Black/Anthony
Fultz/Jett
Wagner/Ingles
Paolo/Okeke
Al/Wagner/Bitadze

Doubt they want Al.

[darrendaye]

Brogdon, Horford, maybe Pritchard for Suggs, Gary Harris and WCJ? I'd add the GSW 1st and a protected BOS 1st or a boatload of seconds..

Like Perk to OKC, Smart to MEM, FVV to Houston, young team brings in some veterans. Brogdon can play either guard position for them next to Black and Fultz..

Brogdon/Black/Anthony
Fultz/Jett
Wagner/Ingles
Paolo/Okeke
Al/Wagner/Bitadze

I'd prefer a deadline deal Brogdon for Suggs/Ingles.

[darrendaye]

Brogdon, Horford, maybe Pritchard for Suggs, Gary Harris and WCJ? I'd add the GSW 1st and a protected BOS 1st or a boatload of seconds..

Like Perk to OKC, Smart to MEM, FVV to Houston, young team brings in some veterans. Brogdon can play either guard position for them next to Black and Fultz..

Brogdon/Black/Anthony
Fultz/Jett
Wagner/Ingles
Paolo/Okeke
Al/Wagner/Bitadze

I'd prefer a deadline deal Brogdon for Suggs/Ingles.

[165bows]

The Suns got KD for two high-end role players and 4 first round picks. That was not a very impressive package. One high-end roleplayer was an expiring.

Bridges was a DPOY candidate in 2022 and averaged 17/4/4 in 2023 on a great offensive team. I think we should be careful on who we call role players, lol. That term is overused. He averaged 26 PPG with the Nets as well.

Yeah which perfectly illustrates the low value of volume scoring. Literally have Mikal Bridges shoot a million times a game and he'll put up Jaylen Brown scoring numbers. Volume scoring being the single most overvalued skill can't be stressed enough.

I tend to agree with this last point in a lot of ways but it’s also overstated. This is Jaylen Brown we are talking about not Antoine.

Celtics lost the finals in ‘22 because they couldn’t score league average volume/efficiency over 6 games. If they could have it would have been photo finish 7th game.

[165bows]

Derrick Jones Jr is entering his prime at age 26. He's got a 7'0" wingspan and a 43" vertical.

Last season, DJJ had the #1 net rating on the Bulls, among dudes who played in more than 12 games.

Sign him.

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Only downside is that he declined a $3.3 mil player option with the Bulls for this season, which tells me he wants to make more than that on his next contract - which is more than we can afford.

We'll see...maybe no one else gives him that kind of money and we're able to sign him for the minimum?

Sick dunk off a lob here at :42

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Yeah what happened there - turned down his option and doesn’t have a deal now? I’m all about adding him but seems like less money to fight for minutes with Brissett would be an overall misstep on his part.

[Hal14]

Derrick Jones Jr is entering his prime at age 26. He's got a 7'0" wingspan and a 43" vertical.

Last season, DJJ had the #1 net rating on the Bulls, among dudes who played in more than 12 games.

Sign him.

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Only downside is that he declined a $3.3 mil player option with the Bulls for this season, which tells me he wants to make more than that on his next contract - which is more than we can afford.

We'll see...maybe no one else gives him that kind of money and we're able to sign him for the minimum?

Sick dunk off a lob here at :42

Watch on YouTube

Yeah what happened there - turned down his option and doesn’t have a deal now? I’m all about adding him but seems like less money to fight for minutes with Brissett would be an overall misstep on his part.

He must have the same agent as Dennis Schroder and Oladipo haha.

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[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

https://nbaanalysis.net/2023/07/13/nba-trade-rumors-new-york-knicks-boston-celtics-jaylen-brown-jalen-brunson-julius-randle-mitchell-robinson-news/

Zach Buckley of Bleacher Report is proposing the following three-team trade involving the Celtics, Knicks and Portland Trail Blazers. The deal would put an end to the Damian Lillard trade saga by sending him to Boston, instead of the Miami Heat.

Jaylen Brown to the Knicks; Damian Lillard and a 2024 first-round pick (top-12 protected, from NYK via WAS) to the Boston Celtics; RJ Barrett, Malcolm Brogdon, Quentin Grimes, Jericho Sims, a 2026 first-round pick (from NYK), a 2028 first-round pick (from NYK) and a 2027 first-round pick swap (from BOS) to the Portland Trail Blazers

Brown is eligible to sign a designated veteran extension with the Celtics this summer. The star swingman averaged 26.6 points, 6.9 rebounds and 3.5 assists last season for Boston. Brown has one year left on his contract. He will make $28.5 million next season and hit unrestricted free agency in the summer of 2024 if the Celtics don’t sign him to an extension.