The Kyrie thread - he probably doesnt bleed green

[CeltsfaninDC]

Smart, today:
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26709567/smart-blaming-kyrie-celtics-fall-bs

""Bulls---. That's bulls---," Smart said when asked Thursday if Irving's leadership skills were behind the Celtics' lack of chemistry. "Not one of us on this team knows what Kyrie has been through. Probably a few amount of people in this world know what Kyrie goes through. It was hard for him as well.

"He was forced into a situation where it was business over the friendships. He had to come into a situation knowing this is a group of guys that had something going before [he came] here. 'How will I fit in?' He didn't want to disrupt that. That says a lot. This is Kyrie Irving we're talking about it, and he's worried about coming in and disrupting us. We took him in with full arms. We tried to understand. But like I said, we never really understood because we're not in his shoes. That's just a bulls--- statement to say his leadership skills killed us."

Red quote: when I think of people who have been through stuff, I think of guys like Marcus -- not Kyrie. Unless we're talking more serious depression than any of us know. Otherwise..? I'm at a loss. Any guesses?

Blue quote: certainly doesn't sound like he's talking about a current/future teammate.

There was definitely something happening between the IND series and MIL. That was not the same person. Does he have some sort of mental illness that flared up? Who knows? But there was certainly a markedly different person in those last 4 games. That airballed 3 pointer was one of the oddest shots he took all year long.

[Jaqua92]

Smart, today:
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26709567/smart-blaming-kyrie-celtics-fall-bs

""Bulls---. That's bulls---," Smart said when asked Thursday if Irving's leadership skills were behind the Celtics' lack of chemistry. "Not one of us on this team knows what Kyrie has been through. Probably a few amount of people in this world know what Kyrie goes through. It was hard for him as well.

"He was forced into a situation where it was business over the friendships. He had to come into a situation knowing this is a group of guys that had something going before [he came] here. 'How will I fit in?' He didn't want to disrupt that. That says a lot. This is Kyrie Irving we're talking about it, and he's worried about coming in and disrupting us. We took him in with full arms. We tried to understand. But like I said, we never really understood because we're not in his shoes. That's just a bulls--- statement to say his leadership skills killed us."

Red quote: when I think of people who have been through stuff, I think of guys like Marcus -- not Kyrie. Unless we're talking more serious depression than any of us know. Otherwise..? I'm at a loss. Any guesses?

Blue quote: certainly doesn't sound like he's talking about a current/future teammate.

This is interesting.

I don't know Kyrie personally and I can't provide a legitimate professional opinion on him for that matter (don't want to receive flack for providing an educated opinion), but I've too started to wonder about Kyrie's mental state over the last few months. Or at the very least, the stability of his personality. Do we KNOW what his baseline is? Does he have a baseline?

I honestly have no idea though. But between this, the evident lack of/search for an identity, the lack of emotional intelligence or inability to take responsibility for any issues, the mood swings, and the instability of his relationship with Boston, I've seen a very similar cluster of behaviors clinically before with a specific type of disordered personality.

Just my opinion.. I don't know his deal. Something seems off. Wish him the best

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[canman1971]

Smart, today:
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26709567/smart-blaming-kyrie-celtics-fall-bs

""Bulls---. That's bulls---," Smart said when asked Thursday if Irving's leadership skills were behind the Celtics' lack of chemistry. "Not one of us on this team knows what Kyrie has been through. Probably a few amount of people in this world know what Kyrie goes through. It was hard for him as well.

"He was forced into a situation where it was business over the friendships. He had to come into a situation knowing this is a group of guys that had something going before [he came] here. 'How will I fit in?' He didn't want to disrupt that. That says a lot. This is Kyrie Irving we're talking about it, and he's worried about coming in and disrupting us. We took him in with full arms. We tried to understand. But like I said, we never really understood because we're not in his shoes. That's just a bulls--- statement to say his leadership skills killed us."

Red quote: when I think of people who have been through stuff, I think of guys like Marcus -- not Kyrie. Unless we're talking more serious depression than any of us know. Otherwise..? I'm at a loss. Any guesses?

Blue quote: certainly doesn't sound like he's talking about a current/future teammate.

This is interesting.

I don't know Kyrie personally and I can't provide a legitimate professional opinion on him for that matter (don't want to receive flack for providing an educated opinion), but I've too started to wonder about Kyrie's mental state over the last few months. Or at the very least, the stability of his personality. Do we KNOW what his baseline is? Does he have a baseline?

I honestly have no idea though. But between this, the evident lack of/search for an identity, the lack of emotional intelligence or inability to take responsibility for any issues, the mood swings, and the instability of his relationship with Boston, I've seen a very similar cluster of behaviors clinically before with a specific type of disordered personality.

Just my opinion.. I don't know his deal. Something seems off. Wish him the best

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Which is why all this BS about him is toxic and sad. The team sucked this year, plain and simple. All people involved deserve critique. It blows my mind how so many are so short sighted.

[cloverleaf]

Kyrie's bad influence coming out with Smart here too. Rozier and Smart made it years as Celtics players without swearing in their quotes to the media. But Kyrie got going with the S-word this year and these other young guys have followed suit. Pulls them down and puts them in an adversarial role with the media and public when that is not helpful.

[Jaqua92]

Kyrie's bad influence coming out with Smart here too. Rozier and Smart made it years as Celtics players without swearing in their quotes to the media. But Kyrie got going with the S-word this year and these other young guys have followed suit. Pulls them down and puts them in an adversarial role with the media and public when that is not helpful.

People gotta take responsibility. Kyrie needs to be responsible for his own actions, as Smart and Rozier have to be. No one is responsible for their curse words but them

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[MagicBagley18]

Kyrie's bad influence coming out with Smart here too. Rozier and Smart made it years as Celtics players without swearing in their quotes to the media. But Kyrie got going with the S-word this year and these other young guys have followed suit. Pulls them down and puts them in an adversarial role with the media and public when that is not helpful.

It may rain in New England tomorrow - is that kyries fault also

[K For Three]

The short version of what Smart said.

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Kyrie is going to the Lakers folks. Both LeBron's trainer and Kyries friend made Instagram posts of both LeBron and Kyrie in Lakers Jerseys lolol

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That's just LeBron making us our bitches even more.

LeBron's side kicks comes to Boston. Destroys the Celtics. Ruins out future plans and destroyed Danny's 5 year plan to acquire AD then returns to LeBron's side.

We can talk up or front office all we want, but if this happens, this team is at Lebron's mercy lol

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Jaqua, I can see the Kyrie to Lakers thing right now happening too actually. Hell if it did happen you can hear the conspiracies now about Kyrie once being a Lebron James double agent to help take down Boston or something.

I mean we will all get paranoid about this stuff until it's official one way or another.

But I could see Kyrie going out west too for a change of scenery, letting Lebron run things again and then there is his love for movies.


Tons are still saying Knicks though with KD........

I wish this was over lol.

[MagicBagley18]

Kyrie is going to the Lakers folks. Both LeBron's trainer and Kyries friend made Instagram posts of both LeBron and Kyrie in Lakers Jerseys lolol

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That's just LeBron making us our bitches even more.

LeBron's side kicks comes to Boston. Destroys the Celtics. Ruins out future plans and destroyed Danny's 5 year plan to acquire AD then returns to LeBron's side.

We can talk up or front office all we want, but if this happens, this team is at Lebron's mercy lol

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Jaqua, I can see the Kyrie to Lakers thing right now happening too actually. Hell if it did happen you can hear the conspiracies now about Kyrie once being a Lebron James double agent to help take down Boston or something.

I mean we will all get paranoid about this stuff until it's official one way or another.

But I could see Kyrie going out west too for a change of scenery, letting Lebron run things again and then there is his love for movies.


Tons are still saying Knicks though with KD........

I wish this was over lol.

When or if he leaves it’s going to be the knicks and if LA it’ll be the clippers IMO but most likely knicks.

I think everyone should just chill for a bit. While it looks highly unlikely he’s coming back and board insiders are usually spot on the money, it’s May 10th. Let’s give it a month and see what happens and I don’t mean an AD trade. A month ago it looked like he would come back- today it’s doom and gloom what will it be in June?

Are his relationships with whoever in the Celtics beyond repair? can ownership and management talk to him etc. while I admit it does not look good for our chances to retain him at all and I’ve come to peace with that- I still think it’s far from over in regards to anything with him.

Let’s some of the dust settle and then we can assess the situation more clearly.

[K For Three]

That's just LeBron making us our bitches even more.

LeBron's side kicks comes to Boston. Destroys the Celtics. Ruins out future plans and destroyed Danny's 5 year plan to acquire AD then returns to LeBron's side.

We can talk up or front office all we want, but if this happens, this team is at Lebron's mercy lol

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Jaqua, I can see the Kyrie to Lakers thing right now happening too actually. Hell if it did happen you can hear the conspiracies now about Kyrie once being a Lebron James double agent to help take down Boston or something.

I mean we will all get paranoid about this stuff until it's official one way or another.

But I could see Kyrie going out west too for a change of scenery, letting Lebron run things again and then there is his love for movies.


Tons are still saying Knicks though with KD........

I wish this was over lol.

When or if he leaves it’s going to be the knicks and if LA it’ll be the clippers IMO but most likely knicks.

I think everyone should just chill for a bit. While it looks highly unlikely he’s coming back and board insiders are usually spot on the money, it’s May 10th. Let’s give it a month and see what happens and I don’t mean an AD trade. A month ago it looked like he would come back- today it’s doom and gloom what will it be in June?

Are his relationships with whoever in the Celtics beyond repair? can ownership and management talk to him etc. while I admit it does not look good for our chances to retain him at all and I’ve come to peace with that- I still think it’s far from over in regards to anything with him.

Let’s some of the dust settle and then we can assess the situation more clearly.

Fair enough. We should all just take a deep breath and wait and see what happens with the draft lottery too.

Nice post btw.

[MagicBagley18]

Jaqua, I can see the Kyrie to Lakers thing right now happening too actually. Hell if it did happen you can hear the conspiracies now about Kyrie once being a Lebron James double agent to help take down Boston or something.

I mean we will all get paranoid about this stuff until it's official one way or another.

But I could see Kyrie going out west too for a change of scenery, letting Lebron run things again and then there is his love for movies.


Tons are still saying Knicks though with KD........

I wish this was over lol.

When or if he leaves it’s going to be the knicks and if LA it’ll be the clippers IMO but most likely knicks.

I think everyone should just chill for a bit. While it looks highly unlikely he’s coming back and board insiders are usually spot on the money, it’s May 10th. Let’s give it a month and see what happens and I don’t mean an AD trade. A month ago it looked like he would come back- today it’s doom and gloom what will it be in June?

Are his relationships with whoever in the Celtics beyond repair? can ownership and management talk to him etc. while I admit it does not look good for our chances to retain him at all and I’ve come to peace with that- I still think it’s far from over in regards to anything with him.

Let’s some of the dust settle and then we can assess the situation more clearly.

Fair enough. We should all just take a deep breath and wait and see what happens with the draft lottery too.

Nice post btw.

Listen I’m not gonna bs you....it looks bleak but it’s so early in the game for anything real definitive to be made. I do think he most likely leaves as I tend to roll with those here who know more than me you and most but even they’ll tell you that over the last month kyrie prob has changed his mind 4x.

Let’s let some smoke clear and the bad vibes of a terrible season wear off and see where the chips fall. The allure of KD May be too much , that’s extremely possible but anything being throw out right now IMO is news from his camp coming off a horrible negative nightmare season.

Perhaps in a month nothing will have changed and it’s bye bye Boston like many here have said but I just can’t count out ainge yet and I know kyrie is a different cat.

[truth18]

Kyrie's bad influence coming out with Smart here too. Rozier and Smart made it years as Celtics players without swearing in their quotes to the media. But Kyrie got going with the S-word this year and these other young guys have followed suit. Pulls them down and puts them in an adversarial role with the media and public when that is not helpful.

People gotta take responsibility. Kyrie needs to be responsible for his own actions, as Smart and Rozier have to be. No one is responsible for their curse words but them

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Are we really discussing curse words right now?

Who the **** cares?

[Jaqua92]

Kyrie's bad influence coming out with Smart here too. Rozier and Smart made it years as Celtics players without swearing in their quotes to the media. But Kyrie got going with the S-word this year and these other young guys have followed suit. Pulls them down and puts them in an adversarial role with the media and public when that is not helpful.

People gotta take responsibility. Kyrie needs to be responsible for his own actions, as Smart and Rozier have to be. No one is responsible for their curse words but them

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Are we really discussing curse words right now?

Who the **** cares?

Nobody lol

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[soxfan2003]

I like Smart and I don't think swearing is a big deal in a situation like this.

That being said, I think just like anything else, NBA probably has cliques/friendships and players that get along fairly well. You are more likely to get along/defend someone when your interests are aligned.

Marcus Smart in the short term at least was more likely to be a successful starter with Kyrie Irving than he would be if let's say Mike Conley or (gulp) Terry Rozier was Celtics starting PG.

And Smart did some of the things that Irving would rather not do. On paper that is a pretty good starting backcourt in terms of balance on offense/defense. Obviously one would hope for Smart to be better on offense and Kyrie better on defense but fairly good balance between those two.

For that reason, it is much more likely for each of them to have each others backs. They have some synergy on the court.

If someone like Rozier is starting PG, damn good chance Marcus Smart isn't starting at SG since the backcourt just doesn't have a good enough scorer/shooter. Obviously if Celtics had KD and Jokic and SF and center, you could more easily get away with Rozier/Smart but the team doesn't.

So, trying to be objective as possible....it seems fair to say a player like Rozier is prone to bash Irving more than he deserves and a player like Smart likely to back Irving up more than he may deserve.

I don't think Irving handled the very obnoxious media game that well but in his shoes and I am an an _extremely patient person...kind of world class patience__, I would snap if asked 1000 times about my FA status while hearing all the speculation in the media. Some of it perhaps true but a good portion just probably logical speculation. While keeping your free agency options open, you almost have to bore people to death like the great K. Leonard to limit the speculation.

I think Irving right now realistically if he adapts his game best fits with Giannis but an aging Lebron is probably the next best thing.

[bucknersrevenge]

Kyrie's bad influence coming out with Smart here too. Rozier and Smart made it years as Celtics players without swearing in their quotes to the media. But Kyrie got going with the S-word this year and these other young guys have followed suit. Pulls them down and puts them in an adversarial role with the media and public when that is not helpful.

FWIW, as it relates to Marcus and any "adversarial role" with the media, not sure they gave a s**t.

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I like Smart and I don't think swearing is a big deal in a situation like this.

That being said, I think just like anything else, NBA probably has cliques/friendships and players that get along fairly well. You are more likely to get along/defend someone when your interests are aligned.

Marcus Smart in the short term at least was more likely to be a successful starter with Kyrie Irving than he would be if let's say Mike Conley or (gulp) Terry Rozier was Celtics starting PG.

And Smart did some of the things that Irving would rather not do. On paper that is a pretty good starting backcourt in terms of balance on offense/defense. Obviously one would hope for Smart to be better on offense and Kyrie better on defense but fairly good balance between those two.

For that reason, it is much more likely for each of them to have each others backs. They have some synergy on the court.

If someone like Rozier is starting PG, damn good chance Marcus Smart isn't starting at SG since the backcourt just doesn't have a good enough scorer/shooter. Obviously if Celtics had KD and Jokic and SF and center, you could more easily get away with Rozier/Smart but the team doesn't.

So, trying to be objective as possible....it seems fair to say a player like Rozier is prone to bash Irving more than he deserves and a player like Smart likely to back Irving up more than he may deserve.

I don't think Irving handled the very obnoxious media game that well but in his shoes and I am an an _extremely patient person...kind of world class patience__, I would snap if asked 1000 times about my FA status while hearing all the speculation in the media. Some of it perhaps true but a good portion just probably logical speculation. While keeping your free agency options open, you almost have to bore people to death like the great K. Leonard to limit the speculation.

I think Irving right now realistically if he adapts his game best fits with Giannis but an aging Lebron is probably the next best thing.

Smart and Irving were one of the bright spots of the season. Loved them as a pairing. Probably hurt our postseason as well with Smart going down. We swept Indy, but against the Bucks.....Smart was clearly too rusty/still hurt to be a huge factor to help us enough.

I think Smart and Irving have had each others backs at times in the media. I was happy to see this too since Smart is one of those guys I think you do want on your side.

Also yeah, Irving helped Smart too. Smart really was thriving this year before the injury.

Just really enjoyed those two together on the court.

[Parliament10]

I like Smart and I don't think swearing is a big deal in a situation like this.

That being said, I think just like anything else, NBA probably has cliques/friendships and players that get along fairly well. You are more likely to get along/defend someone when your interests are aligned.

Marcus Smart in the short term at least was more likely to be a successful starter with Kyrie Irving than he would be if let's say Mike Conley or (gulp) Terry Rozier was Celtics starting PG.

And Smart did some of the things that Irving would rather not do. On paper that is a pretty good starting backcourt in terms of balance on offense/defense. Obviously one would hope for Smart to be better on offense and Kyrie better on defense but fairly good balance between those two.

For that reason, it is much more likely for each of them to have each others backs. They have some synergy on the court.

If someone like Rozier is starting PG, damn good chance Marcus Smart isn't starting at SG since the backcourt just doesn't have a good enough scorer/shooter. Obviously if Celtics had KD and Jokic and SF and center, you could more easily get away with Rozier/Smart but the team doesn't.

So, trying to be objective as possible....it seems fair to say a player like Rozier is prone to bash Irving more than he deserves and a player like Smart likely to back Irving up more than he may deserve.

I don't think Irving handled the very obnoxious media game that well but in his shoes and I am an an _extremely patient person...kind of world class patience__, I would snap if asked 1000 times about my FA status while hearing all the speculation in the media. Some of it perhaps true but a good portion just probably logical speculation. While keeping your free agency options open, you almost have to bore people to death like the great K. Leonard to limit the speculation.

I think Irving right now realistically if he adapts his game best fits with Giannis but an aging Lebron is probably the next best thing.

Smart and Irving were one of the bright spots of the season. Loved them as a pairing. Probably hurt our postseason as well with Smart going down. We swept Indy, but against the Bucks.....Smart was clearly too rusty/still hurt to be a huge factor to help us enough.

I think Smart and Irving have had each others backs at times in the media. I was happy to see this too since Smart is one of those guys I think you do want on your side.

Also yeah, Irving helped Smart too. Smart really was thriving this year before the injury.

Just really enjoyed those two together on the court.

I Loved the Irving/Smart pairing. I'd also like to see the Two-Ballhandlers/Unit idea continue.
If (and when) Hayward makes it back into the Starting lineup, then I'd like to see him take over Smart's Spot.


2019-20 Proposed
Irving - Hayward - Tatum - Horford - Baynes
Rozier? - Smart - Brown? - Morris? - Williams

[greenroom31]

Headline:

"Kyrie Irving Has Lakers On His Free Agent Board"

Article:

"I said, 'you know what everybody's saying, Kyrie, they're saying now you're going to go back with LeBron'. "And he looked at me and he laughed. I said 'Is that a yes or a no?' "And he laughed again and he put his arm around me and then he left. So determine that what you may."

How the hell do you go from that quote to that headline? "Kyrie declines to share intel with a reporter on his FA plans, therefore his lack of an answer must mean he is going to the team she asked about." This is why I (and many others, including players) hate most of the sports media. Ask a player a question they can't answer and then when you get no reply, write a headline stating it as fact.

And for those who think he should just say "I'm not going to the Lakers", you're missing the point which is that (star) players can't answer ANY questions about this stuff or it becomes headline news and creates major drama. If Kyrie says that, prepare for a week of "LeBron and Kyrie are still at odds" stories and Skip Bayless and Stephen A. Smith screaming at each other about body language from years ago and what Jason Kidd's hiring means.

Could Kyrie go to LA? Sure, he could go literally anywhere. He could retire for all I know, but him not answering Jackie MacMullan's question means absolutely nothing. It sure as **** doesn't mean that he has the Lakers on his "Free Agent Board", which by the way probably isn't even a thing.

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Danny Ainge & Kyrie Irving are trolling us all. I think it's pretty clear that the source(s) of the chemistry issues are likely to be gone this summer 1 way or another. A couple young players that had to sacrifice and didnt like it.
Danny has young assets and draft picks. The Celtics are an inch away from becoming contenders.

Draft lottery results this week.
Danny can then really start negotiating with Griffin and other GMs.
Draft night.
Free agency.

Al will opt out and then sign a 3-year deal at less annually.
Davis and/or Durant to Boston
Kyrie resigns.
A lesser trade, perhaps a s/t.
Rounding out roster with a couple role playing vets.

That's your offseason

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