Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player

[Andrew McCeltic]

Just a guess: Rumors regarding our interest in Drummond will appear after FIBA.

-I’m guessing Kemba and Drummond are friends via their UConn connection
-I’m guessing he’ll the hang out a lot with our guys during camp
-The Griffin/Drummond front court has run its course IMO and I could see Detroit being open to moving him, especially if he indicates he’d want out

We've had interest in Drummond before.. I think at some point he's going to figure things out in terms of on-court execution, but he can't shoot or shoot free throws. He can still be a dominant rebounder and defensive player.

Hayward for Drummond isn't enough value for us, though - we're going to end up taking on a big less multi-dimensional than Hayward just to add size.

[GoCeltics123]

Just a guess: Rumors regarding our interest in Drummond will appear after FIBA.

BARF. He's never going to figure out his talent, HARD pass

[SmartWentCrazy]

Just a guess: Rumors regarding our interest in Drummond will appear after FIBA.

BARF. He's never going to figure out his talent, HARD pass

Im inclined to agree, moreso just guessing/reading tea leaves

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[Slartibartfast]

Just a guess: Rumors regarding our interest in Drummond will appear after FIBA.

-I’m guessing Kemba and Drummond are friends via their UConn connection
-I’m guessing he’ll the hang out a lot with our guys during camp
-The Griffin/Drummond front court has run its course IMO and I could see Detroit being open to moving him, especially if he indicates he’d want out

We've had interest in Drummond before.. I think at some point he's going to figure things out in terms of on-court execution, but he can't shoot or shoot free throws. He can still be a dominant rebounder and defensive player.

Hayward for Drummond isn't enough value for us, though - we're going to end up taking on a big less multi-dimensional than Hayward just to add size.

Everyone hates it, but I'm just going to keep bringing up Cody Zeller. That Kemba connection is well established. Brad can't resist Indiana prodigies. He's effective on both sides of the ball (unlike Tyler). He's low usage. He's paid enough for a team like Charlotte not to want him, but he's not an albatross. We could get him without having to give up any of our best assets. Big downside other than him being boring is his injury history.

As for Drummond, I really don't like how he gets lit up by Embiid and I don't think Detroit can settle to trade him for crap. But for the right deal (basically Hayward if he's good enough to trade but not back to all-star form), yes, he'd be great.

[GotDaSauce]

Drummond, Zeller???? Is everyone in here losing it? You want to trade Hayward for these average to terrible players? Why? Did anyone watch Drummond in the playoffs last year?? Give me Kanter at 5 mil over anything they are paying that guy!!!

[djFan71]

Spoiler:

Just a guess: Rumors regarding our interest in Drummond will appear after FIBA.

-I’m guessing Kemba and Drummond are friends via their UConn connection
-I’m guessing he’ll the hang out a lot with our guys during camp
-The Griffin/Drummond front court has run its course IMO and I could see Detroit being open to moving him, especially if he indicates he’d want out

We've had interest in Drummond before.. I think at some point he's going to figure things out in terms of on-court execution, but he can't shoot or shoot free throws. He can still be a dominant rebounder and defensive player.

Hayward for Drummond isn't enough value for us, though - we're going to end up taking on a big less multi-dimensional than Hayward just to add size.

Everyone hates it, but I'm just going to keep bringing up Cody Zeller. That Kemba connection is well established. Brad can't resist Indiana prodigies. He's effective on both sides of the ball (unlike Tyler). He's low usage. He's paid enough for a team like Charlotte not to want him, but he's not an albatross. We could get him without having to give up any of our best assets. Big downside other than him being boring is his injury history.

As for Drummond, I really don't like how he gets lit up by Embiid and I don't think Detroit can settle to trade him for crap. But for the right deal (basically Hayward if he's good enough to trade but not back to all-star form), yes, he'd be great.

I don't even hate it, just would be surprised if we dumped Kanter/Theis for him, which is min to match salary.

In similarly exciting vein, I could a Theis + 2nd for Taj Gibson deal depending on how each of them do up til the deadline. I'm assuming NYK point with all their contracts was a) ballast for a star trade, b) offload for a pick at deadline, c) let walk for cap space to do it all over next summer.

Taj does (or at least used to) what nobody on our roster really does, so he'd be a nice pickup if he still has it.

ETA: just not enough salary with only Theis, would need to send one other guy.

[reload141]

Yeah, hard no to Drummond.

Give me Capela/Turner/Adams if we are sending out Hayward...

Would love Favors too.... Favors/Moore for shooting off the bench combo would be nice....

As much as I think Hayward is the odd man out, they'll want to see how he comes back and performs until the deadline to make any sort of deal, if he looks amazing and say Brown looks extremely average then pivot and try a low cost big man.

As far as a low LOW cost option Salah Mejri actually had decent advanced stats from memory?

[Slartibartfast]

Yeah, hard no to Drummond.

Give me Capela/Turner/Adams if we are sending out Hayward...

Would love Favors too.... Favors/Moore for shooting off the bench combo would be nice....

As much as I think Hayward is the odd man out, they'll want to see how he comes back and performs until the deadline to make any sort of deal, if he looks amazing and say Brown looks extremely average then pivot and try a low cost big man.

As far as a low LOW cost option Salah Mejri actually had decent advanced stats from memory?

I like Mejri but we have enough 2nd and 3rd stringers. Too many. I want to consolidate them into one decent starter.

[reload141]

Yeah, hard no to Drummond.

Give me Capela/Turner/Adams if we are sending out Hayward...

Would love Favors too.... Favors/Moore for shooting off the bench combo would be nice....

As much as I think Hayward is the odd man out, they'll want to see how he comes back and performs until the deadline to make any sort of deal, if he looks amazing and say Brown looks extremely average then pivot and try a low cost big man.

As far as a low LOW cost option Salah Mejri actually had decent advanced stats from memory?

I like Mejri but we have enough 2nd and 3rd stringers. Too many. I want to consolidate them into one decent starter.

Totally agree. Just trying to find the right players we could "actually" maybe obtain sending out the correct salary etc.... boy it's tough.

[Slartibartfast]

Yeah, hard no to Drummond.

Give me Capela/Turner/Adams if we are sending out Hayward...

Would love Favors too.... Favors/Moore for shooting off the bench combo would be nice....

As much as I think Hayward is the odd man out, they'll want to see how he comes back and performs until the deadline to make any sort of deal, if he looks amazing and say Brown looks extremely average then pivot and try a low cost big man.

As far as a low LOW cost option Salah Mejri actually had decent advanced stats from memory?

I like Mejri but we have enough 2nd and 3rd stringers. Too many. I want to consolidate them into one decent starter.

Totally agree. Just trying to find the right players we could "actually" maybe obtain sending out the correct salary etc.... boy it's tough.

It's very lonely here on the Cody Zeller bandwagon.

[GoCeltics123]

Yeah, hard no to Drummond.

Give me Capela/Turner/Adams if we are sending out Hayward...

Would love Favors too.... Favors/Moore for shooting off the bench combo would be nice....

As much as I think Hayward is the odd man out, they'll want to see how he comes back and performs until the deadline to make any sort of deal, if he looks amazing and say Brown looks extremely average then pivot and try a low cost big man.

As far as a low LOW cost option Salah Mejri actually had decent advanced stats from memory?

I like Mejri but we have enough 2nd and 3rd stringers. Too many. I want to consolidate them into one decent starter.

Totally agree. Just trying to find the right players we could "actually" maybe obtain sending out the correct salary etc.... boy it's tough.

It's tough for now, but different players will shake loose over the course of the season

[Darth Celtic]

Just a guess: Rumors regarding our interest in Drummond will appear after FIBA.

-I’m guessing Kemba and Drummond are friends via their UConn connection
-I’m guessing he’ll the hang out a lot with our guys during camp
-The Griffin/Drummond front court has run its course IMO and I could see Detroit being open to moving him, especially if he indicates he’d want out

Unless you ship out Hayward, you don't have a way to get him at this time without giving up some very good young talent. He makes 27m a year. I think his defense has been on par with Kanter.

[Bohemian]

People are really bored: unless some opportunity gets out there, this is our team for the season. And February trades are not so easy. So relax and enjoy the prospect of having a young hungry team full of nice personalities for once.

[GreenTeamah]

Yeah, hard no to Drummond.

Give me Capela/Turner/Adams if we are sending out Hayward...

Would love Favors too.... Favors/Moore for shooting off the bench combo would be nice....

As much as I think Hayward is the odd man out, they'll want to see how he comes back and performs until the deadline to make any sort of deal, if he looks amazing and say Brown looks extremely average then pivot and try a low cost big man.

As far as a low LOW cost option Salah Mejri actually had decent advanced stats from memory?

Capela might of been a reality at one point but doubt he is now, Turner will never be a reality, hard no on Adams, Hayward back to Utah in a deal involving Favors? Depending on what else is involved because Favors doesn’t move the needle for me and I don’t know who Moore is but not the craziest idea in the world, there’s no quick fixes available imo but the big man who might be available for the right deal who I think has potential and I would like to see grow with this team is Mo Bamba, not winning is a ship right away but his potential is off the charts and he’s going to be held back in Orlando

[zoyathedestroya]

Spoiler:

We've had interest in Drummond before.. I think at some point he's going to figure things out in terms of on-court execution, but he can't shoot or shoot free throws. He can still be a dominant rebounder and defensive player.

Hayward for Drummond isn't enough value for us, though - we're going to end up taking on a big less multi-dimensional than Hayward just to add size.

Everyone hates it, but I'm just going to keep bringing up Cody Zeller. That Kemba connection is well established. Brad can't resist Indiana prodigies. He's effective on both sides of the ball (unlike Tyler). He's low usage. He's paid enough for a team like Charlotte not to want him, but he's not an albatross. We could get him without having to give up any of our best assets. Big downside other than him being boring is his injury history.

As for Drummond, I really don't like how he gets lit up by Embiid and I don't think Detroit can settle to trade him for crap. But for the right deal (basically Hayward if he's good enough to trade but not back to all-star form), yes, he'd be great.

I don't even hate it, just would be surprised if we dumped Kanter/Theis for him, which is min to match salary.

In similarly exciting vein, I could a Theis + 2nd for Taj Gibson deal depending on how each of them do up til the deadline. I'm assuming NYK point with all their contracts was a) ballast for a star trade, b) offload for a pick at deadline, c) let walk for cap space to do it all over next summer.

Taj does (or at least used to) what nobody on our roster really does, so he'd be a nice pickup if he still has it.

ETA: just not enough salary with only Theis, would need to send one other guy.

Are you telling me we're having a hard time coming up with hypothetical in-season trades (without giving up more value than we need to) because we weren't able to sign or swap for a player named Trey D. Ballast during the offseason by being more creative with our cap space ? I AM SHOCKED!

[Roddy]

Yeah, hard no to Drummond.

Give me Capela/Turner/Adams if we are sending out Hayward...

Would love Favors too.... Favors/Moore for shooting off the bench combo would be nice....

As much as I think Hayward is the odd man out, they'll want to see how he comes back and performs until the deadline to make any sort of deal, if he looks amazing and say Brown looks extremely average then pivot and try a low cost big man.

As far as a low LOW cost option Salah Mejri actually had decent advanced stats from memory?

Hayward back to Utah in a deal involving Favors? Depending on what else is involved because Favors doesn’t move the needle for me and I don’t know who Moore

Favors has been traded to the Pelicans.
So Moore is E'Twaun Moore.

That would be a good trade for us, but if Danny trade GH, then it means that GH is not back 100% physically and/or mentally...its hard to imagine another team trading a nice package for a broken player.

[radcot]

I seriously don't get these giveaway trade proposals involving Hayward. True, he was AWOL during the Bucks series, but that was true of most of the team, especially Kyrie - and no one is calling him "broken." By the end of last season, GH was showing increasingly frequent flashes of his all-star level capabilities, a trajectory I have no doubt will continue. I also expect the team chemistry to be MUCH better this season, which will only further benefit a team-first player like Gordon.

[FlatearthZorro]

Just a guess: Rumors regarding our interest in Drummond will appear after FIBA.

BARF. He's never going to figure out his talent, HARD pass

Pretty much, great athlete, but has struggled with conditioning and awareness a lot at times. Plus struggles against Embiid big time and makes around 30 mils so yea hard pass.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Drummond, Zeller???? Is everyone in here losing it? You want to trade Hayward for these average to terrible players? Why? Did anyone watch Drummond in the playoffs last year?? Give me Kanter at 5 mil over anything they are paying that guy!!!

For the record, I never advocated trading for Drummond— I speculated that trade rumors would begin because that's how things start.

Also, how would you describe Hayward last season? I’d say average is pretty apt, personally. He, too, looked like **** in the post season.

In my opinion, we have two young wings who will be looking at max/near-max money pretty soon. To me, accentuating their strengths is whats best for the team long term. Hayward, a third wing making max/near max money, is the odd man out IMO and I’d strongly wager that one of Brown/Tatum/Hayward is off the team come the start of the 2020 season.