Trade Ideas Thread

[bucknersrevenge]

https://tradenba.com/trades/KEpxaCvXZ

TODAYS TAKE

Dallas gets: Hayward, Kanter Bucks first,
gives: Powell, THJ, their 1st

Sacramento gets; Powell, Dieng, Edwards, Boston first
gives: Hield, Bjelica,

Grizzlies get: THJ, Poirier, Brunson and GSW second
Give: Clarke and Gieng

Boston gets: Clarke, Heild, Bjelica, #18
gives: Hayward, Kanter, Poirier, Edwards, Boston first, Bucks first.

Dallas upgrades SF spot dramatically. Kanter adds front court scoring off bench.
Kings shed long term salary and add young cost controlled assets
Grizzlies add a wing shooter and shed some salary and take on no long term salary commitments leaving them with max capspace next offseason.
Boston downgrades starting lineup replacing Hayward with Heild but add tremendous shooting and upgrade bench dramatically in the front court.

Kemba/Smart/#14
Heild/Langford/#18
Brown/MLE/Semi
Tatum/Clarke/GWilliams
Theis/Bjelica/Timelord

#14 and #18 will give 3rd wings and MLE to fill backup SF role.

The part with just Hayward to Sac for Hild and Bjelica is a deal I've already proposed in here. Bjelica is non-guaranteed so they could keep him or drop him if they wanted. Putting the younger Hield next to the Jays and Kemba makes a lot of sense. Hield's shooting complements them very well. Hasn't been a good defender in Sacramento. I don't think he's as bad as he's shown but he's probably not as switchy as Brad tends to like his wings so that is the one issue. That said, I believe Brad and the culture around here could get much more out of Hield than we've seen yet. Even if it doesn't work out spectacularly, Hield provides a talent and salary slot that can be useful in making additional moves in the future.

Trading for a year of Hayward while simultaneously getting out of the Hield contract would make a lot of sense. That marriage is busted now. Hield hates it there. Did not like how Walton did him. With a new GM in Dumars and an impending decision with Bogdanovic in the wings, it might make sense to move on from Hield if you can. As a new GM, Dumars would prioritize the cap flexibility created by a move like this I would think.

In the end though, the lack of size and defensive versatility is probably the reason a deal like this doesn't happen. Brad really likes his 6'6-6'9 wings who can switch when called upon and compete defensively more than anything. Hield just doesn't have that resume even if I think this deal might still be worth the risk in the end.

My Rockets Hayward/fillers for Covington and Eric Gordon gives him that more.

[100proof]

https://tradenba.com/trades/KEpxaCvXZ

TODAYS TAKE

Dallas gets: Hayward, Kanter Bucks first,
gives: Powell, THJ, their 1st

Sacramento gets; Powell, Dieng, Edwards, Boston first
gives: Hield, Bjelica,

Grizzlies get: THJ, Poirier, Brunson and GSW second
Give: Clarke and Gieng

Boston gets: Clarke, Heild, Bjelica, #18
gives: Hayward, Kanter, Poirier, Edwards, Boston first, Bucks first.

Dallas upgrades SF spot dramatically. Kanter adds front court scoring off bench.
Kings shed long term salary and add young cost controlled assets
Grizzlies add a wing shooter and shed some salary and take on no long term salary commitments leaving them with max capspace next offseason.
Boston downgrades starting lineup replacing Hayward with Heild but add tremendous shooting and upgrade bench dramatically in the front court.

Kemba/Smart/#14
Heild/Langford/#18
Brown/MLE/Semi
Tatum/Clarke/GWilliams
Theis/Bjelica/Timelord

#14 and #18 will give 3rd wings and MLE to fill backup SF role.

The part with just Hayward to Sac for Hild and Bjelica is a deal I've already proposed in here. Bjelica is non-guaranteed so they could keep him or drop him if they wanted. Putting the younger Hield next to the Jays and Kemba makes a lot of sense. Hield's shooting complements them very well. Hasn't been a good defender in Sacramento. I don't think he's as bad as he's shown but he's probably not as switchy as Brad tends to like his wings so that is the one issue. That said, I believe Brad and the culture around here could get much more out of Hield than we've seen yet. Even if it doesn't work out spectacularly, Hield provides a talent and salary slot that can be useful in making additional moves in the future.

Trading for a year of Hayward while simultaneously getting out of the Hield contract would make a lot of sense. That marriage is busted now. Hield hates it there. Did not like how Walton did him. With a new GM in Dumars and an impending decision with Bogdanovic in the wings, it might make sense to move on from Hield if you can. As a new GM, Dumars would prioritize the cap flexibility created by a move like this I would think.

In the end though, the lack of size and defensive versatility is probably the reason a deal like this doesn't happen. Brad really likes his 6'6-6'9 wings who can switch when called upon and compete defensively more than anything. Hield just doesn't have that resume even if I think this deal might still be worth the risk in the end.

My Rockets Hayward/fillers for Covington and Eric Gordon gives him that more.

I have been back and forth on the Buddy train.
THe positives is he has a lethal shot from deep. A high rated 3pt shooter can really open the floor for the Jays and Kemba.
The con is he isnt as great a defender as team would like to have ideally. But, imo, that can be negated. And I think it is a little overblown. Coming to a team where everyone competes on that end, and everyone shares offensive responsibility as well really can change a persons output. If Irving was a solid defender and Kemba looks good defensively on this team. Buddy can as well.


He could also buy into the 6th man role in boston as it has been a highly regarded position on this winning franchise for litterally decades.
Kings suck, and he didnt want to come off the bench, I get that.
Boston is a threat to win it all and him coming off the bench with a pure green light might be a huge enticement for him.


And in the off chance that the buddy experiment just doesnt work, there is always a market for a young 3pt scorer on the wing from someone. (Philly, Atlanta, Detroit, Pelicans, OKC, rooklyn, Knicks, Chicago)

[Darth Celtic]

I"m a no on Hield. yes on Bjelica or Bagley. Heck, you can probably convince me on barnes in the right trade. Hield will turn 28 at start of season already. He's 6'4' and has a contract near JB's. Not that we can't have a 6'4" wing because we play smart, but smart can defend centers on switches. Hield can't.

At least Barnes is 6'8" and can defend all 5 positions. Is actually only 5 months older than Hield somehow with all that time in the NBA. oh, and he's like 3% worse on 3's for his career than Hield.

[Slax]

I"m a no on Hield. yes on Bjelica or Bagley. Heck, you can probably convince me on barnes in the right trade. Hield will turn 28 at start of season already. He's 6'4' and has a contract near JB's. Not that we can't have a 6'4" wing because we play smart, but smart can defend centers on switches. Hield can't.

At least Barnes is 6'8" and can defend all 5 positions. Is actually only 5 months older than Hield somehow with all that time in the NBA. oh, and he's like 3% worse on 3's for his career than Hield.

I'm Hield-skeptical because I think he will hurt our defense, but just as a point of clarification, his contract appears to be much smaller than Jaylen's. They both have a similar base year compensation (somewhere in the mid-20's), but Brown's contract escalates year-over-year until he's being paid close to $30M in 2023, whereas Hield's apparently declines to about $19M in 2023. Hard to say what the new post-COVID market is going to look like, but the idea of paying a 31-year-old sharpshooter $19M in 2023 doesn't fill me with dread. That said, I imagine there are other players we could spend that money on, and I certainly don't want to just miss out on a chance at a ring-chasing blue chip free agent like Embiid or Giannis in a few years just because we have Buddy Hield on the books, so it's not as if that contract has zero cost/risk to us even if it's fair value.

[100proof]

I"m a no on Hield. yes on Bjelica or Bagley. Heck, you can probably convince me on barnes in the right trade. Hield will turn 28 at start of season already. He's 6'4' and has a contract near JB's. Not that we can't have a 6'4" wing because we play smart, but smart can defend centers on switches. Hield can't.

At least Barnes is 6'8" and can defend all 5 positions. Is actually only 5 months older than Hield somehow with all that time in the NBA. oh, and he's like 3% worse on 3's for his career than Hield.

I would gladly take barnes instead of Heild, just not sure the deal would get him from the Kings.

[100proof]

https://tradenba.com/trades/J15-KI8Vb

Dallas gets Hayward, Kanter and #30
Kings get THJ, Wright, Edwards, Poirier #18 and #31
Celtics get Barnes, Bjelica, WCS and Brunson

Kings add picks and youth and get an expiring THJ. Might that work for them?

Kemba/Brunson
Brown/Smart
Tatum/Langford
Barnes/Bjelica/GrantW
Theis/Timelord/WCS

Picks 14, 26 and full MLE to fill out backup PG and backup SF and depth (deal would save almost 10 mill in salary)

[Darth Celtic]

I think Bjelica would play the 5 for us.

[Parliament10]

That would be a monster team.

I think I'd prefer Hayward on that team though over Turner. Someone to move the ball and that can play point when Kemba is out. I think Hayward has become really underrated here because we beat Philly without him.

Hayward is very good player. But his production can be replaced by depth.

Smart off the bench solves the kemba issue. Making any of the proposed trades gives the team more shooting/scoring off the bench and the ability to add more size in the frontcourt. The biggest needs of the team

Hayward would have to be Traded for something like = Myles Turner & (Jeremy Lamb or T.J. Warren)

Also, I personally am not sold on Trading Brown, etc, for a Giannis rental.
Giannis would have to commit to signing, for me to be happy with that.

[djFan71]

I just noticed that Portland has a trade exception that could fit Kanter. If we need a roster spot or are close to ducking the tax, I think they would trade a future 2nd for him. They'd just let Whiteside go, roll with Nurk/Kanter/Collins like the old days.

I wouldn't do this without some other moves, but it's a nice option after the draft / other moves play out.

EDIT: Or even something like:

Kanter, 26, 30 for 16.

They get a contributor that knows the system and the trade down in a flat draft. We get the $, roster spot and 2 shots in the sweet spot of late lotto+ territory.

[djFan71]

^^^
Do that Kanter/26/30 for 16.
Resign Hayward starting around $25.5M (3/$80M)
Trade Poirier/47 for a vet min (or nothing).

You're under the tax and with 14 spots, 14, 16, & 2 vet mins coming in.


Kemba, Brown, Tatum, Hayward, Theis
Smart, Langford, Williams^2
14, 16, Edwards
2 mins.

1st min: Draft dependent.
If you don't draft a PG, bring Waters up. Or talk Wanamaker into vet min somehow (doubtful). Or some other vet min PG.
Draft a PG, keep Green (has $100k guarantee) or Semi or go vet min again.

2nd min:
UFA center: Alex Len, Chandler, Zizic, Okafor, etc. Ugly list, but you're looking for just a body really. There are better guys, but I'm not sure if they'd be available for the min. If you're really optimistic, Tacko time. I doubt he's strong enough yet, though.

[djFan71]

Also, I think we've been using 5% raises for Hayward, can't we do 8%? Jaylen's is 8%.

If you do 8% raises, it's easier to get him 3/$80M and sneak under the tax. It's the difference between $24.7 and $25.5M next year, which can mean a lot. Or, I would even go 4 years which lets you start even lower. You could just double up Jaylen's contract for him so nobody gets ruffled. 4/$103M starting at $22.8M next year gives you more room. Jaylen's incentives drive it up $1M each year (games played), but I wonder if you can do incentives only for years 2-4??? Might be too sneaky for the CBA.

Either way, if you get down there, you could either not pay to dump poirier and use him for your bulk, or still drop him and sign a better vet for one on the last spots. Conceivably stretch him, but I haven't done the math.

[djFan71]

Poirier stretched, Gordon on Jaylen's exact deal, starting @ $23.8M cap hit leaves you $1.5M under the cap with 14 players.
If you lower the first year incentive a tiny amount, or the cap number is the tiniest bit higher, you have room for one more min salary.

Kinda my favorite plan now. Kanter would have to opt in by the draft, but if Danny told him "hey we'll send you back to POR" now or you wait and opt-in and you're going to ATL or DET or something, he may be amenable.

I know the 4th year extending past Kemba isn't ideal, but not breaking up a contender and pushing the repeater tax back at the same time is worth it to me.

[100proof]

Poirier stretched, Gordon on Jaylen's exact deal, starting @ $23.8M cap hit leaves you $1.5M under the cap with 14 players.
If you lower the first year incentive a tiny amount, or the cap number is the tiniest bit higher, you have room for one more min salary.

Kinda my favorite plan now. Kanter would have to opt in by the draft, but if Danny told him "hey we'll send you back to POR" now or you wait and opt-in and you're going to ATL or DET or something, he may be amenable.

I know the 4th year extending past Kemba isn't ideal, but not breaking up a contender and pushing the repeater tax back at the same time is worth it to me.

This team is proving a contender WITHOUT Hayward.

[djFan71]

Poirier stretched, Gordon on Jaylen's exact deal, starting @ $23.8M cap hit leaves you $1.5M under the cap with 14 players.
If you lower the first year incentive a tiny amount, or the cap number is the tiniest bit higher, you have room for one more min salary.

Kinda my favorite plan now. Kanter would have to opt in by the draft, but if Danny told him "hey we'll send you back to POR" now or you wait and opt-in and you're going to ATL or DET or something, he may be amenable.

I know the 4th year extending past Kemba isn't ideal, but not breaking up a contender and pushing the repeater tax back at the same time is worth it to me.

This team is proving a contender WITHOUT Hayward.

ECF contender, sure. But I think we still need him to win a title.

[djFan71]

A mod on the POR board proposed something similar: Kanter/30 for 46.
Shockingly, I don't like it as much, but it does roughly the same thing. Maybe they add a future 2nd.
Or just Kanter/47 for fake 2nd.
Keep/stretch Poirier as needed.

[ConstableGeneva]

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[djFan71]

Simpler Dallas trade than normal: Kanter, Edwards, 26 & 30 for 18, WCS, MKG.

We get a trade up, duck the tax, a big to defend the true bigs, and all the acronyms.
They get a more offensive center, shot at Edwards and an additional pick before they start sending alternate years to the Knicks.
I finally get MKG.

At $131.9 M even with keeping Poirier and adding a vet min for spot 15 if Hayward's on the Jaylen deal w/ full incentive.
Can dump/stretch Poirier as always if we want to upgrade.

[Ernest]

Mil and GA are saying all the right things but you have to wonder if they will trade him or if he will eventually leave. If they do trade him, I'd expect Ainge to make some offers that will be pretty upsetting. At this point losing any of our top 4 guys would be pretty heart breaking.

[big-shot-ROB]

Holy god Hield is really old.

[100proof]

Todays thought (I like big trades it seems)

https://tradenba.com/trades/gR6093X6e

Kings out: Barnes, Bjelica, Joseph, Heild
in: Hayward, Johnson, Illyasova, Kanter, #17, #24, #26, #33, #47

Kings shed all long term salary and add loads of picks. Compete for a year with Fox, Hayward, JJ, Bagley and Holmes then have massive capspace next offseason.


Bucks out: Bledsoe, Wilson, Bender Illyasove and #24
In: Joseph and Heild

Bucks add a legit shooter and a steady vet pg.


Timberwolves out: Johnson, Reid, Okogie #17 and #33
In: Bledsoe, Bender, Poirier, Edwards, Wilson and #30

Wolves add a defensive PG to pair with Kat/DR. And a cost controlled bench.


Celtics out: Hayward, Kanter, Poirier, Edwards, #26, #30 and #47
in: Barnes, Bjelica, Reid, Okogie.

Boston adds a great young fit at PF with the core and strengthen bench shooting and size. Sheds about 8 mill in salary. Draft BPA at 14 (most likely a PG - RJ Hampton) use MLE on a backup sf/sg. (Harris, Beasley, Clarkson, Burkes, etc)

Kemba/Smart/Hampton#14
Brown/Langford/MLE
Tatum/Okogie/MLE
Barnes/Bjelica/GrantW
Theis/Reid/Timelord