2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 -- (8PM, Wed, Nov. 18, ESPN)

JHTruth · Post #901 » by **JHTruth** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:57 pm

Bleeding Green wrote:
JHTruth wrote:
Bleeding Green wrote:If there is one thing to be sure of: if a report comes out that the Celtics are interested in a specific player, the report is wrong.

It's not a "report". It's intel from someone inside the C's org. I agree that media members get fed BS all the time..

It's the same thing.

You can't understand the difference between intel and a media report? Umm OK

JHTruth · Post #902 » by **JHTruth** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:58 pm

leper-con wrote:
JHTruth wrote:
Bleeding Green wrote:If there is one thing to be sure of: if a report comes out that the Celtics are interested in a specific player, the report is wrong.

It's not a "report". It's intel from someone inside the C's org. I agree that media members get fed BS all the time..

What was the intel?

Celtics are moving up to grab Haliburton and like Reed in the second..

Post #903 » by **SmartWentCrazy** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:06 pm

100proof wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
100proof wrote:
why?
Cause you say so?

Kemba will get traded, maybe not this year but he will be at some point. He doesnt fit the timeline and he has potentially wonky knees and he is terrible defensively and he is not a multi positional player.

If team gets Haliburton then Kemba will be traded by next offseason.

Because were not trying to trade Kemba. This isnt NBA2K.

Also, Haliburton projects more as an off-guard than an on-ball guard.

Team is trying to make itself better. that is business.

And Haliburton is not more of an off-guard at all. That is just wrong. he is adept at either position as projects as a PG. Have you watched any games? looked at any single draftsite report on him? None have him listed as a SG and non have him listed as being more of an offguard. None.

He is a unique PG with the size and defensive and shooting ability to play off ball.

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/tyrese-haliburton/ - draftnet - PG
https://nbadraftroom.com/p/tyrese-haliburton/ - draftroom - PG
https://www.nba.com/draft/2020/prospects/tyrese-haliburton#/ - nba.com - PG
http://www.tankathon.com/players/tyrese-haliburton - Tankathon - PG
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/the-most-intriguing-player-in-the-nba-draft-iowa-states-tyrese-haliburton-181100953.html - Yahoo.com - PG
https://www.nbascoutinglive.com/tyrese-haliburton-scouting-report/ - NBA Scouting.com - PG
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2901730-nba-mock-draft-2020-latest-predictions-for-tyrese-haliburton-top-pgs - Bleacherreport - PG
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2020-nba-mock-draft-lamelo-ball-jumps-up-to-no-1-selection-by-the-timberwolves-in-first-two-round-mock/ - CBS - PG
https://www.lineups.com/articles/nba-mock-draft-guide-2020/ - lineups.com - PG

No trade you’ve suggested during your months long onslaught of Kemba trades has either made sense or made us better.

And have you watched him play? Watch him dribble the ball up vs NBA caliber defenders Moose. He’s an off guard who can run some actions/PnR, much like Smart. Stop looking at raw APG numbers then telling me I havent watched him play when you should be looking in the mirror.

JHTruth · Post #904 » by **JHTruth** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:17 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
100proof wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Because were not trying to trade Kemba. This isnt NBA2K.

Also, Haliburton projects more as an off-guard than an on-ball guard.

Team is trying to make itself better. that is business.

And Haliburton is not more of an off-guard at all. That is just wrong. he is adept at either position as projects as a PG. Have you watched any games? looked at any single draftsite report on him? None have him listed as a SG and non have him listed as being more of an offguard. None.

He is a unique PG with the size and defensive and shooting ability to play off ball.

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/tyrese-haliburton/ - draftnet - PG
https://nbadraftroom.com/p/tyrese-haliburton/ - draftroom - PG
https://www.nba.com/draft/2020/prospects/tyrese-haliburton#/ - nba.com - PG
http://www.tankathon.com/players/tyrese-haliburton - Tankathon - PG
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/the-most-intriguing-player-in-the-nba-draft-iowa-states-tyrese-haliburton-181100953.html - Yahoo.com - PG
https://www.nbascoutinglive.com/tyrese-haliburton-scouting-report/ - NBA Scouting.com - PG
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2901730-nba-mock-draft-2020-latest-predictions-for-tyrese-haliburton-top-pgs - Bleacherreport - PG
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2020-nba-mock-draft-lamelo-ball-jumps-up-to-no-1-selection-by-the-timberwolves-in-first-two-round-mock/ - CBS - PG
https://www.lineups.com/articles/nba-mock-draft-guide-2020/ - lineups.com - PG

No trade you’ve suggested during your months long onslaught of Kemba trades has either made sense or made us better.

And have you watched him play? Watch him dribble the ball up vs NBA caliber defenders Moose. He’s an off guard who can run some actions/PnR, much like Smart. Stop looking at raw APG numbers then telling me I havent watched him play when you should be looking in the mirror.

Smart doesn't touch Hali as a playmaker though. Hali is one of the best PnR passers coming out in years. Smart is a 3andD guard that can pass decently. Hali is a passer first who can shoot the 3.

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ConstableGeneva · Post #905 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:28 pm

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threrf23 · Post #906 » by **threrf23** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:32 pm

I'm a little biased against Haliburton simply because he chose to play for Iowa State. Ever since Fred Hoiberg, Iowa State's offense is chuck friendly and I hate watching it come tourney time.

Anyways Iowa State's offense tends to be friendly to unselfish PGs - see Monte Morris' A/TO ratio.

While I'm not down on Haliburton per se, in highlights it doesn't look to me like he has the handle of an NBA PG. And tall PGs don't have a great track record, and PG's take time to develop.

Another reason that Haliburton concerns me, is that in terms of strengths, weaknesses, build, and stats - Pat McCaw is one of the most workable comparisons out there. From McCaw's nbadraft.net profile, "McCaw’s court vision, feel for the game and a natural passing ability allow him to find cutters, throw lobs and be very effective in the pick and roll situation … As a FR when fellow FR teammate Rashad Vaughn went down with a knee injury, McCaw took over the scoring burden and shot 40% from the 3-point line … He has the potential to be a knock down shooter at the next level … Shines in the clutch and wants the ball in end of game situations … In his two years at UNLV, Pat hit a number of big shots when the game was on the line, which shows his competitiveness and will to win … With his size, has the versatility to play multiple positions, PG, SG and SF … Should be an excellent player in a complimentary role."

JHTruth · Post #907 » by **JHTruth** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:39 pm

threrf23 wrote:I'm a little biased against Haliburton simply because he chose to play for Iowa State. Ever since Fred Hoiberg, Iowa State's offense is chuck friendly and I hate watching it come tourney time.

Anyways Iowa State's offense tends to be friendly to unselfish PGs - see Monte Morris' A/TO ratio.

While I'm not down on Haliburton per se, in highlights it doesn't look to me like he has the handle of an NBA PG. And tall PGs don't have a great track record, and PG's take time to develop.

Another reason that Haliburton concerns me, is that in terms of strengths, weaknesses, build, and stats - Pat McCaw is one of the most workable comparisons out there. From McCaw's nbadraft.net profile, "McCaw’s court vision, feel for the game and a natural passing ability allow him to find cutters, throw lobs and be very effective in the pick and roll situation … As a FR when fellow FR teammate Rashad Vaughn went down with a knee injury, McCaw took over the scoring burden and shot 40% from the 3-point line … He has the potential to be a knock down shooter at the next level … Shines in the clutch and wants the ball in end of game situations … In his two years at UNLV, Pat hit a number of big shots when the game was on the line, which shows his competitiveness and will to win … With his size, has the versatility to play multiple positions, PG, SG and SF … Should be an excellent player in a complimentary role."

Come on dude, McCaw was taken in the second round. Haliburton is a top-10 prospect. Silly comparison...

100proof · Post #908 » by **100proof** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:43 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
100proof wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Because were not trying to trade Kemba. This isnt NBA2K.

Also, Haliburton projects more as an off-guard than an on-ball guard.

Team is trying to make itself better. that is business.

And Haliburton is not more of an off-guard at all. That is just wrong. he is adept at either position as projects as a PG. Have you watched any games? looked at any single draftsite report on him? None have him listed as a SG and non have him listed as being more of an offguard. None.

He is a unique PG with the size and defensive and shooting ability to play off ball.

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/tyrese-haliburton/ - draftnet - PG
https://nbadraftroom.com/p/tyrese-haliburton/ - draftroom - PG
https://www.nba.com/draft/2020/prospects/tyrese-haliburton#/ - nba.com - PG
http://www.tankathon.com/players/tyrese-haliburton - Tankathon - PG
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/the-most-intriguing-player-in-the-nba-draft-iowa-states-tyrese-haliburton-181100953.html - Yahoo.com - PG
https://www.nbascoutinglive.com/tyrese-haliburton-scouting-report/ - NBA Scouting.com - PG
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2901730-nba-mock-draft-2020-latest-predictions-for-tyrese-haliburton-top-pgs - Bleacherreport - PG
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2020-nba-mock-draft-lamelo-ball-jumps-up-to-no-1-selection-by-the-timberwolves-in-first-two-round-mock/ - CBS - PG
https://www.lineups.com/articles/nba-mock-draft-guide-2020/ - lineups.com - PG

No trade you’ve suggested during your months long onslaught of Kemba trades has either made sense or made us better.

And have you watched him play? Watch him dribble the ball up vs NBA caliber defenders Moose. He’s an off guard who can run some actions/PnR, much like Smart. Stop looking at raw APG numbers then telling me I havent watched him play when you should be looking in the mirror.

I have watched alot of his games. He is the best pick and roll point in the draft. Also one of the best passers/playmakers in the draft.

Also all of the above posted draft site links all list him as a PG. a PG

But Smartwentcrazy knows better than all.

And if you dont like the Kemba trades I have proposed (which have only been to NYK or Clippers IIRC) and dont think that a large TPE and #8 or Paul George then dont read them. Easy.

But to just so arrogantly proclaim
"we arent trading Kemba this isnt 2K" and not support any reasoning why is just that, arrogant.

Call me moose all you want, it is petty, and incredibly pathetic on your part.

Have a real discussion or ignore me. Don't pretend to know me, don't pretend to state where I am making my opinions from (raw APG) etc.

100proof · Post #909 » by **100proof** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:43 pm

JHTruth wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
100proof wrote:

Team is trying to make itself better. that is business.

And Haliburton is not more of an off-guard at all. That is just wrong. he is adept at either position as projects as a PG. Have you watched any games? looked at any single draftsite report on him? None have him listed as a SG and non have him listed as being more of an offguard. None.

He is a unique PG with the size and defensive and shooting ability to play off ball.

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/tyrese-haliburton/ - draftnet - PG
https://nbadraftroom.com/p/tyrese-haliburton/ - draftroom - PG
https://www.nba.com/draft/2020/prospects/tyrese-haliburton#/ - nba.com - PG
http://www.tankathon.com/players/tyrese-haliburton - Tankathon - PG
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/the-most-intriguing-player-in-the-nba-draft-iowa-states-tyrese-haliburton-181100953.html - Yahoo.com - PG
https://www.nbascoutinglive.com/tyrese-haliburton-scouting-report/ - NBA Scouting.com - PG
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2901730-nba-mock-draft-2020-latest-predictions-for-tyrese-haliburton-top-pgs - Bleacherreport - PG
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2020-nba-mock-draft-lamelo-ball-jumps-up-to-no-1-selection-by-the-timberwolves-in-first-two-round-mock/ - CBS - PG
https://www.lineups.com/articles/nba-mock-draft-guide-2020/ - lineups.com - PG

No trade you’ve suggested during your months long onslaught of Kemba trades has either made sense or made us better.

And have you watched him play? Watch him dribble the ball up vs NBA caliber defenders Moose. He’s an off guard who can run some actions/PnR, much like Smart. Stop looking at raw APG numbers then telling me I havent watched him play when you should be looking in the mirror.

Smart doesn't touch Hali as a playmaker though. Hali is one of the best PnR passers coming out in years. Smart is a 3andD guard that can pass decently. Hali is a passer first who can shoot the 3.

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leper-con · Post #910 » by **leper-con** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:03 pm

JHTruth wrote:
leper-con wrote:
JHTruth wrote:
It's not a "report". It's intel from someone inside the C's org. I agree that media members get fed BS all the time..

What was the intel?

Celtics are moving up to grab Haliburton and like Reed in the second..

looks like a poor mans Tyler Hero. To be honest he looks like Lonzo Ball with a betterish shot.

themoneyteam2 · Post #911 » by **themoneyteam2** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:04 pm

100proof wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
100proof wrote:

Team is trying to make itself better. that is business.

And Haliburton is not more of an off-guard at all. That is just wrong. he is adept at either position as projects as a PG. Have you watched any games? looked at any single draftsite report on him? None have him listed as a SG and non have him listed as being more of an offguard. None.

He is a unique PG with the size and defensive and shooting ability to play off ball.

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/tyrese-haliburton/ - draftnet - PG
https://nbadraftroom.com/p/tyrese-haliburton/ - draftroom - PG
https://www.nba.com/draft/2020/prospects/tyrese-haliburton#/ - nba.com - PG
http://www.tankathon.com/players/tyrese-haliburton - Tankathon - PG
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/the-most-intriguing-player-in-the-nba-draft-iowa-states-tyrese-haliburton-181100953.html - Yahoo.com - PG
https://www.nbascoutinglive.com/tyrese-haliburton-scouting-report/ - NBA Scouting.com - PG
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2901730-nba-mock-draft-2020-latest-predictions-for-tyrese-haliburton-top-pgs - Bleacherreport - PG
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2020-nba-mock-draft-lamelo-ball-jumps-up-to-no-1-selection-by-the-timberwolves-in-first-two-round-mock/ - CBS - PG
https://www.lineups.com/articles/nba-mock-draft-guide-2020/ - lineups.com - PG

No trade you’ve suggested during your months long onslaught of Kemba trades has either made sense or made us better.

And have you watched him play? Watch him dribble the ball up vs NBA caliber defenders Moose. He’s an off guard who can run some actions/PnR, much like Smart. Stop looking at raw APG numbers then telling me I havent watched him play when you should be looking in the mirror.

I have watched alot of his games. He is the best pick and roll point in the draft. Also one of the best passers/playmakers in the draft.

Also all of the above posted draft site links all list him as a PG. a PG

But Smartwentcrazy knows better than all.

And if you dont like the Kemba trades I have proposed (which have only been to NYK or Clippers IIRC) and dont think that a large TPE and #8 or Paul George then dont read them. Easy.

But to just so arrogantly proclaim
"we arent trading Kemba this isnt 2K" and not support any reasoning why is just that, arrogant.

Call me moose all you want, it is petty, and incredibly pathetic on your part.

Have a real discussion or ignore me. Don't pretend to know me, don't pretend to state where I am making my opinions from (raw APG) etc.

No need to get in your feelings and derail the thread.

With that said, Halliburton is obviously a great passer and pick and roll player and a point guard. He is also great off the ball as evidenced by his 40%+ catch and shoot 3PT rate. That is why he's so attractive to all teams in the top 10, such as Chicago and Atlanta, since they know he can play off the ball with their point guards while also effectively running the team for the 2nd unit.

Both can be true. He's just a good all around player. Play him on ball or off ball it doesn't matter, especially in today's NBA where backcourts typically have two guys who can run the offense.

themoneyteam2 · Post #912 » by **themoneyteam2** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:06 pm

leper-con wrote:
JHTruth wrote:
leper-con wrote:

What was the intel?

Celtics are moving up to grab Haliburton and like Reed in the second..

looks like a poor mans Tyler Hero. To be honest he looks like Lonzo Ball with a betterish shot.

Plays nothing like Herro. Lonzo is a solid comparison and he has some shades of SGA to his game as well. Overall I think he has the least amount of weaknesses of any prospect in this draft. His mechanics on his jumper make me pause but you can't argue with the results of it.

Doesn't get to the FT line and needs to put on weight but other than that there's not much to dislike about him.

JHTruth · Post #913 » by **JHTruth** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:09 pm

themoneyteam2 wrote:
leper-con wrote:
JHTruth wrote:
Celtics are moving up to grab Haliburton and like Reed in the second..

looks like a poor mans Tyler Hero. To be honest he looks like Lonzo Ball with a betterish shot.

Plays nothing like Herro. Lonzo is a solid comparison and he has some shades of SGA to his game as well. Overall I think he has the least amount of weaknesses of any prospect in this draft. His mechanics on his jumper make me pause but you can't argue with the results of it.

Doesn't get to the FT line and needs to put on weight but other than that there's not much to dislike about him.

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leper-con · Post #914 » by **leper-con** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:14 pm

JHTruth wrote:
themoneyteam2 wrote:
leper-con wrote:

looks like a poor mans Tyler Hero. To be honest he looks like Lonzo Ball with a betterish shot.

Plays nothing like Herro. Lonzo is a solid comparison and he has some shades of SGA to his game as well. Overall I think he has the least amount of weaknesses of any prospect in this draft. His mechanics on his jumper make me pause but you can't argue with the results of it.

Doesn't get to the FT line and needs to put on weight but other than that there's not much to dislike about him.

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Would be nice not to have a defensive liability at the point and someone who can help us manage Kembas minutes.
Hopefully the cost to move up isn't astronomical. BUT we still NEED a BIG via a trade or in the draft.

threrf23 · Post #915 » by **threrf23** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:37 pm

JHTruth wrote:
Come on dude, McCaw was taken in the second round. Haliburton is a top-10 prospect. Silly comparison...

Maybe, but their RCSI was similar and Haliburton played in a system that showcased his strengths well.

Would you prefer a Michael Carter Williams comp? MCW was never a good shooter, but he was an elite assist/steal guy with the same build, considered a high IQ guy and an elite passer. He was older and slightly skinnier despite it.

While I don't think MCW is a great comp, this draft really reminds me of the 2013 draft. I could see guys like Obi Toppin and Deni Avidja playhing Anthony Bennett and Cody Zeller. Wiseman is a decent fit for Nerlens Noel? Haliburton would seem to come closest to MCW.

Jay Scrubb = Ricky Ledo? Tyler bey definitely = Andre Roberson. Who's Giannis? I think Poku is more Kelly Olynyk at best. Gobert?

Post #916 » by **SmartWentCrazy** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:47 pm

100proof wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
100proof wrote:

Team is trying to make itself better. that is business.

And Haliburton is not more of an off-guard at all. That is just wrong. he is adept at either position as projects as a PG. Have you watched any games? looked at any single draftsite report on him? None have him listed as a SG and non have him listed as being more of an offguard. None.

He is a unique PG with the size and defensive and shooting ability to play off ball.

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/tyrese-haliburton/ - draftnet - PG
https://nbadraftroom.com/p/tyrese-haliburton/ - draftroom - PG
https://www.nba.com/draft/2020/prospects/tyrese-haliburton#/ - nba.com - PG
http://www.tankathon.com/players/tyrese-haliburton - Tankathon - PG
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/the-most-intriguing-player-in-the-nba-draft-iowa-states-tyrese-haliburton-181100953.html - Yahoo.com - PG
https://www.nbascoutinglive.com/tyrese-haliburton-scouting-report/ - NBA Scouting.com - PG
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2901730-nba-mock-draft-2020-latest-predictions-for-tyrese-haliburton-top-pgs - Bleacherreport - PG
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2020-nba-mock-draft-lamelo-ball-jumps-up-to-no-1-selection-by-the-timberwolves-in-first-two-round-mock/ - CBS - PG
https://www.lineups.com/articles/nba-mock-draft-guide-2020/ - lineups.com - PG

No trade you’ve suggested during your months long onslaught of Kemba trades has either made sense or made us better.

And have you watched him play? Watch him dribble the ball up vs NBA caliber defenders Moose. He’s an off guard who can run some actions/PnR, much like Smart. Stop looking at raw APG numbers then telling me I havent watched him play when you should be looking in the mirror.

I have watched alot of his games. He is the best pick and roll point in the draft. Also one of the best passers/playmakers in the draft.

Also all of the above posted draft site links all list him as a PG. a PG

But Smartwentcrazy knows better than all.

And if you dont like the Kemba trades I have proposed (which have only been to NYK or Clippers IIRC) and dont think that a large TPE and #8 or Paul George then dont read them. Easy.

But to just so arrogantly proclaim
"we arent trading Kemba this isnt 2K" and not support any reasoning why is just that, arrogant.

Call me moose all you want, it is petty, and incredibly pathetic on your part.

Have a real discussion or ignore me. Don't pretend to know me, don't pretend to state where I am making my opinions from (raw APG) etc.

Draft sites listed SGA as a PG too. They generally list where a guy played in college and simplistically break things down based on statistics.

Like SGA, Haliburton can play PG. His handle isnt good enough to be a full time guard and primary ball handler. No link you’ve posted really contradicts this.

Further, the Knicks wont take Kemba because they want cap space for next summer. They didnt even chase him last year. Theyre not going to give up a high pick for him now. And the Clippers laugh off an offer of PG for Kemba. The reality: he doesnt have much trade value at all. But he’s a great player. We shouldnt dump him and no one will give up the value he provides. The PR hit is icing on the cake. Its a fools errand; its why no one is shocked you keep pitching the ideas.

Its not pathetic to call you your former banned handle. Want me to call you Silky instead? You got banned for being a racist ****, I’m not gonna let that **** go. Sorry its an inconvenience to you.

JHTruth · Post #917 » by **JHTruth** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:54 pm

threrf23 wrote:
JHTruth wrote:
Come on dude, McCaw was taken in the second round. Haliburton is a top-10 prospect. Silly comparison...

Maybe, but their RCSI was similar and Haliburton played in a system that showcased his strengths well.

Would you prefer a Michael Carter Williams comp? MCW was never a good shooter, but he was an elite assist/steal guy with the same build, considered a high IQ guy and an elite passer. He was older and slightly skinnier despite it.

While I don't think MCW is a great comp, this draft really reminds me of the 2013 draft. I could see guys like Obi Toppin and Deni Avidja playhing Anthony Bennett and Cody Zeller. Wiseman is a decent fit for Nerlens Noel? Haliburton would seem to come closest to MCW.

Jay Scrubb = Ricky Ledo? Tyler bey definitely = Andre Roberson. Who's Giannis? I think Poku is more Kelly Olynyk at best. Gobert?

MCW with a shot is one heck of an NBA player.

playa-hater · Post #918 » by **playa-hater** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:02 pm

NOT to derail the lastest debate, but it looks like one of my Hopes at 14 -S Bey, is impressing teams with his ready to step in a play game.. Chances of him being there are slipping...

Post #919 » by **SmartWentCrazy** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:11 pm

playa-hater wrote:NOT to derail the lastest debate, but it looks like one of my Hopes at 14 -S Bey, is impressing teams with his ready to step in a play game.. Chances of him being there are slipping...

Im liking him more— reminds me of Crowder [except able to defend down instead of up positionally]. Not a high ceiling, but he will be a player. More valuable with less offseason IMO.

JHTruth · Post #920 » by **JHTruth** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:12 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
playa-hater wrote:NOT to derail the lastest debate, but it looks like one of my Hopes at 14 -S Bey, is impressing teams with his ready to step in a play game.. Chances of him being there are slipping...

Im liking him more— reminds me of Crowder [except able to defend down instead of up positionally]. Not a high ceiling, but he will be a player. More valuable with less offseason IMO.

Bey will be a decent player. I think he goes 12-13