Fire Ainge: Thanks Danny, but it's time to go

[Celts17Pride]

Overall Danny has done a good job as GM throughout the years.

He had a really bad off season.

I said it months ago and I will say it again, let’s see if he can redeem himself this season with free agency and the draft.

Personally I feel he needs to move up in the draft with trading Brown or Smart ant getting into the 5-8 range. I really like Mitchell but that would mean we would have to move on from Kemba. Kemba might be hard to trade with his contract.

No offense but trading Jaylen Brown to get into the 5-8 range is a move that gets 30 GM’s fired.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Honestly heartbreaking reading this. Makes me seethe with anger and that’s not an emotion I’m used to

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And Smart has no reason in the world to make something like that up.

I don't think Racism will ever be fixed, no more than murder be fixed, or abuse etc. But it is disgusting and unfortunate and I fear that with continued discussion the way it has been happening lately will only produce more people that lean towards racist actions.



Also, I have a theory. I call it observational rage. And when a person gets angry they tend to yell out insults based upon visual cues.
Fat so and so
UGly so and so
gay/queer/etc so and so

I think that sometimes people yell things not necessarily based on prejudices but just the observation of what is driving the rage. And that requires a different treatment.

Nobody, IMO, should question POC who make claims for the most part. But there are some particular instances and people I feel deserve to be doubted with Kyrie, Smart, Lebron, Bubba Wallace, Myles Garrett, and Michael Bennett among them. As to why any, and Smart in particular, would lie, it’s pretty obvious. It’s the topic of our times and politicians and the media are doing their best to use it to divide us. I think some of these guys use it to justify their stupid actions and others to gain attention. In every instance the investigations proved their claims either didn’t happen, there was no evidence to support their contentions or it was misconstrued. I can’t stand Smart and haven’t since he lied about being called a racist slur to justify being a hot head and pushing that OS fan who called him a piece of ****. He seemingly bullied a young Jaylen, constantly flops, points fingers and the blame onto others even when he’s clearly at fault and has come unglued off the court. Like Kyrie he seems very unstable, so no, I don’t believe what he says just like with Kyrie. I hope I’m wrong though. Ainge definitely deserves to be fired but his comments were not tone-deaf
and are not be found on the list of reasons he needs to go. Do people think Ainge hangs out with the players off the court and is close with them? He’s not going to hear about anything unless a player or coach brings something to his attention. If that hadn’t happened, should Danny lie and claim it did to appease those with purity tests?

Except Smart publicly told a story about being called the N word before the pandemic:

https://theundefeated.com/features/celtics-being-a-black-player-in-boston/

Boston Celtics guard Marcus Smart was expecting a simple drive home after a game during the 2016-17 season when he encountered a vocal Celtics fan he will never forget. The woman was with a little boy in the middle of the crosswalk outside of TD Garden when the light turned green for oncoming traffic. Smart honked his horn to warn her.

“I yell out the window,” Smart recalled. “ ‘Excuse me, ma’am, you better get out of the street before you and your son get hit. Cars are coming. I don’t want you to get hit.’

“As soon as I said that, she looked at me – as she is wearing a No. 4, green with the white outline Celtics jersey – and told me, ‘F— you, you f—ing n—–.’ People that actually heard her were stunned. They’re like, ‘That’s Marcus Smart. You just got done watching the game, ma’am … with an Isaiah Thomas jersey on.’ ”

And expounded upon it again later on:

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/marcus-smart-nba-boston-celtics-covid-racial-injustice

And the team publicly acknowledged banning a fan due to an incident where DeMarcus Cousins was called the N word:

https://sports.yahoo.com/haynes-sources-boston-fan-banned-010858605.html

To act like Smart made this up is telling on yourself. For Ainge to act like this is brand new and he’s never heard anything before is just obviously a lie.

[Ernest]

People have been bashing Ainge all year for signing TT but boy did he ever step up in game 3 for us.

[JediMasterRevan]

And Smart has no reason in the world to make something like that up.

I don't think Racism will ever be fixed, no more than murder be fixed, or abuse etc. But it is disgusting and unfortunate and I fear that with continued discussion the way it has been happening lately will only produce more people that lean towards racist actions.



Also, I have a theory. I call it observational rage. And when a person gets angry they tend to yell out insults based upon visual cues.
Fat so and so
UGly so and so
gay/queer/etc so and so

I think that sometimes people yell things not necessarily based on prejudices but just the observation of what is driving the rage. And that requires a different treatment.

Nobody, IMO, should question POC who make claims for the most part. But there are some particular instances and people I feel deserve to be doubted with Kyrie, Smart, Lebron, Bubba Wallace, Myles Garrett, and Michael Bennett among them. As to why any, and Smart in particular, would lie, it’s pretty obvious. It’s the topic of our times and politicians and the media are doing their best to use it to divide us. I think some of these guys use it to justify their stupid actions and others to gain attention. In every instance the investigations proved their claims either didn’t happen, there was no evidence to support their contentions or it was misconstrued. I can’t stand Smart and haven’t since he lied about being called a racist slur to justify being a hot head and pushing that OS fan who called him a piece of ****. He seemingly bullied a young Jaylen, constantly flops, points fingers and the blame onto others even when he’s clearly at fault and has come unglued off the court. Like Kyrie he seems very unstable, so no, I don’t believe what he says just like with Kyrie. I hope I’m wrong though. Ainge definitely deserves to be fired but his comments were not tone-deaf
and are not be found on the list of reasons he needs to go. Do people think Ainge hangs out with the players off the court and is close with them? He’s not going to hear about anything unless a player or coach brings something to his attention. If that hadn’t happened, should Danny lie and claim it did to appease those with purity tests?

Except Smart publicly told a story about being called the N word before the pandemic:

https://theundefeated.com/features/celtics-being-a-black-player-in-boston/

Boston Celtics guard Marcus Smart was expecting a simple drive home after a game during the 2016-17 season when he encountered a vocal Celtics fan he will never forget. The woman was with a little boy in the middle of the crosswalk outside of TD Garden when the light turned green for oncoming traffic. Smart honked his horn to warn her.

“I yell out the window,” Smart recalled. “ ‘Excuse me, ma’am, you better get out of the street before you and your son get hit. Cars are coming. I don’t want you to get hit.’

“As soon as I said that, she looked at me – as she is wearing a No. 4, green with the white outline Celtics jersey – and told me, ‘F— you, you f—ing n—–.’ People that actually heard her were stunned. They’re like, ‘That’s Marcus Smart. You just got done watching the game, ma’am … with an Isaiah Thomas jersey on.’ ”

And expounded upon it again later on:

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/marcus-smart-nba-boston-celtics-covid-racial-injustice

And the team publicly acknowledged banning a fan due to an incident where DeMarcus Cousins was called the N word:

https://sports.yahoo.com/haynes-sources-boston-fan-banned-010858605.html

To act like Smart made this up is telling on yourself. For Ainge to act like this is brand new and he’s never heard anything before is just obviously a lie.

Not only has his actions proved it, but now his speaking is proving that ainge is no longer capable of running a team.

Be it delusions of grandeur, ignorance, incompetence not sure.

But the time has come

[KumaJG]

13 years since the last title. That's why Ainge has to go. Any other GM would of been fired.

[Saint Lazarus]

If Ainge didnt know that Kyrie and Hayward were going to leave for nothing, or that there was zero chance AD was ever coming here then he should be fired for incompetence.

Everyone knew that Kyrie was out of here— Bobby Portis said on record that players knew in Feb Kyrie and KD were going to Brooklyn. Dinwiddie admitted to have recruited him in December of that year. Gordon Hayward moved his family out of the state mid-season. AD hired LeBrons agent lol. These werent really complex puzzles. Heck, Terry and Mook were practically begging to be traded [Mook even formally requested a trade] and Ainge held them. If Ainge truly was oblivious, its a greatly worrying sign.

If Ainge was elsewhere, he’d be fired this offseason.

Yah, I reached the point where he needs to go. He had a hell of a run, but its time we bring in a new voice and try something new. He’s just done an exceptionally poor job the last 3 years and trusting him to get us out of the hole he dug is just nonsensical.

Make a run at Masai. Guarantee he’d be interested in running the Celtics.

Would also be a great PR move considering Ainge is **** dumb

[BostonCouchGM]

And Smart has no reason in the world to make something like that up.

I don't think Racism will ever be fixed, no more than murder be fixed, or abuse etc. But it is disgusting and unfortunate and I fear that with continued discussion the way it has been happening lately will only produce more people that lean towards racist actions.



Also, I have a theory. I call it observational rage. And when a person gets angry they tend to yell out insults based upon visual cues.
Fat so and so
UGly so and so
gay/queer/etc so and so

I think that sometimes people yell things not necessarily based on prejudices but just the observation of what is driving the rage. And that requires a different treatment.

Nobody, IMO, should question POC who make claims for the most part. But there are some particular instances and people I feel deserve to be doubted with Kyrie, Smart, Lebron, Bubba Wallace, Myles Garrett, and Michael Bennett among them. As to why any, and Smart in particular, would lie, it’s pretty obvious. It’s the topic of our times and politicians and the media are doing their best to use it to divide us. I think some of these guys use it to justify their stupid actions and others to gain attention. In every instance the investigations proved their claims either didn’t happen, there was no evidence to support their contentions or it was misconstrued. I can’t stand Smart and haven’t since he lied about being called a racist slur to justify being a hot head and pushing that OS fan who called him a piece of ****. He seemingly bullied a young Jaylen, constantly flops, points fingers and the blame onto others even when he’s clearly at fault and has come unglued off the court. Like Kyrie he seems very unstable, so no, I don’t believe what he says just like with Kyrie. I hope I’m wrong though. Ainge definitely deserves to be fired but his comments were not tone-deaf
and are not be found on the list of reasons he needs to go. Do people think Ainge hangs out with the players off the court and is close with them? He’s not going to hear about anything unless a player or coach brings something to his attention. If that hadn’t happened, should Danny lie and claim it did to appease those with purity tests?

Except Smart publicly told a story about being called the N word before the pandemic:

https://theundefeated.com/features/celtics-being-a-black-player-in-boston/

Boston Celtics guard Marcus Smart was expecting a simple drive home after a game during the 2016-17 season when he encountered a vocal Celtics fan he will never forget. The woman was with a little boy in the middle of the crosswalk outside of TD Garden when the light turned green for oncoming traffic. Smart honked his horn to warn her.

“I yell out the window,” Smart recalled. “ ‘Excuse me, ma’am, you better get out of the street before you and your son get hit. Cars are coming. I don’t want you to get hit.’

“As soon as I said that, she looked at me – as she is wearing a No. 4, green with the white outline Celtics jersey – and told me, ‘F— you, you f—ing n—–.’ People that actually heard her were stunned. They’re like, ‘That’s Marcus Smart. You just got done watching the game, ma’am … with an Isaiah Thomas jersey on.’ ”

And expounded upon it again later on:

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/marcus-smart-nba-boston-celtics-covid-racial-injustice

And the team publicly acknowledged banning a fan due to an incident where DeMarcus Cousins was called the N word:

https://sports.yahoo.com/haynes-sources-boston-fan-banned-010858605.html

To act like Smart made this up is telling on yourself. For Ainge to act like this is brand new and he’s never heard anything before is just obviously a lie.

tElLiNg oN yOuRsElf. Lol that never fails to elicit a laugh. So you can’t discuss players from other teams during game threads without getting warnings and bans but you can call people racist. More of that white privilege I must be so used to

[Darthlukey]

People have been bashing Ainge all year for signing TT but boy did he ever step up in game 3 for us.

He earned his years salary in that game

[ParticleMan]

I'm truly baffled by the TT hate all year. The only time he was consistently bad was at the start of the year, when he was just settling in, and when he just got back from covid. Take those away, and he has been exactly as advertised, and exactly worth his salary.

I remember last year everyone was bemoaning not having any vets with championship experience on the bench. Ainge goes and gets TT and Teague. Teague is made expendable by Pritchard but he was a vet min guy anyways, while TT has done exactly what he always does, including on the leadership side. There's a lot of things to hate on Ainge about of late, but I don't see how one can hate either TT or Ainge for signing him.

[batabatuta]

How many GMs has done better than Danny Ainge and yet got fired? That will tell you how lucky he is to be holding on to that job.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Nobody, IMO, should question POC who make claims for the most part. But there are some particular instances and people I feel deserve to be doubted with Kyrie, Smart, Lebron, Bubba Wallace, Myles Garrett, and Michael Bennett among them. As to why any, and Smart in particular, would lie, it’s pretty obvious. It’s the topic of our times and politicians and the media are doing their best to use it to divide us. I think some of these guys use it to justify their stupid actions and others to gain attention. In every instance the investigations proved their claims either didn’t happen, there was no evidence to support their contentions or it was misconstrued. I can’t stand Smart and haven’t since he lied about being called a racist slur to justify being a hot head and pushing that OS fan who called him a piece of ****. He seemingly bullied a young Jaylen, constantly flops, points fingers and the blame onto others even when he’s clearly at fault and has come unglued off the court. Like Kyrie he seems very unstable, so no, I don’t believe what he says just like with Kyrie. I hope I’m wrong though. Ainge definitely deserves to be fired but his comments were not tone-deaf
and are not be found on the list of reasons he needs to go. Do people think Ainge hangs out with the players off the court and is close with them? He’s not going to hear about anything unless a player or coach brings something to his attention. If that hadn’t happened, should Danny lie and claim it did to appease those with purity tests?

Except Smart publicly told a story about being called the N word before the pandemic:

https://theundefeated.com/features/celtics-being-a-black-player-in-boston/

Boston Celtics guard Marcus Smart was expecting a simple drive home after a game during the 2016-17 season when he encountered a vocal Celtics fan he will never forget. The woman was with a little boy in the middle of the crosswalk outside of TD Garden when the light turned green for oncoming traffic. Smart honked his horn to warn her.

“I yell out the window,” Smart recalled. “ ‘Excuse me, ma’am, you better get out of the street before you and your son get hit. Cars are coming. I don’t want you to get hit.’

“As soon as I said that, she looked at me – as she is wearing a No. 4, green with the white outline Celtics jersey – and told me, ‘F— you, you f—ing n—–.’ People that actually heard her were stunned. They’re like, ‘That’s Marcus Smart. You just got done watching the game, ma’am … with an Isaiah Thomas jersey on.’ ”

And expounded upon it again later on:

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/marcus-smart-nba-boston-celtics-covid-racial-injustice

And the team publicly acknowledged banning a fan due to an incident where DeMarcus Cousins was called the N word:

https://sports.yahoo.com/haynes-sources-boston-fan-banned-010858605.html

To act like Smart made this up is telling on yourself. For Ainge to act like this is brand new and he’s never heard anything before is just obviously a lie.

tElLiNg oN yOuRsElf. Lol that never fails to elicit a laugh. So you can’t discuss players from other teams during game threads without getting warnings and bans but you can call people racist. More of that white privilege I must be so used to

So you think its more offensive to tell a racist theyre being racist than it is for a racist to be racist?

Also, big LOL at thinking telling someone theyre being racist is a violation of board rules— it isnt at all. Feel free to ask Howard Mass if you dont believe me. He’s a big proponent of civil rights, FWIW.

[MagicBagley18]

The realitY is that the Celtics aren’t getting rid of ainge- because they’d have to get rid of zarren, Austin ainge, etc and completely clear house and sadly I don’t think the Celtics have the balls to do that. Many here have said the Celtics have become somewhat of a country club in which ainge has his tentacles in the entire program.

I think ainge is a really good gm. Really good. I’m not banging the table saying fire him but I also understand sometimes you stay too late at a party and see people wanting a new voice. Maybe it is time. Think he would get any job he wants from like 24 other teams but he’s been here a long time and maybe some new blood would invigorate things.

Zarren is a great cap guy. Genius level mathematics but he’s been here through the entire thing, if your clearing house u gotta clean house. new voices, new minds, new eyes and ears on the scene. I don’t think the Celtics have the balls to tear it down and that’s the real issue we need to look at as fans.

[JediMasterRevan]

The realitY is that the Celtics aren’t getting rid of ainge- because they’d have to get rid of zarren, Austin ainge, etc and completely clear house and sadly I don’t think the Celtics have the balls to do that. Many here have said the Celtics have become somewhat of a country club in which ainge has his tentacles in the entire program.

I think ainge is a really good gm. Really good. I’m not banging the table saying fire him but I also understand sometimes you stay too late at a party and see people wanting a new voice. Maybe it is time. Think he would get any job he wants from like 24 other teams but he’s been here a long time and maybe some new blood would invigorate things.

Zarren is a great cap guy. Genius level mathematics but he’s been here through the entire thing, if your clearing house u gotta clean house. new voices, new minds, new eyes and ears on the scene. I don’t think the Celtics have the balls to tear it down and that’s the real issue we need to look at as fans.

I dont completely agree. Zarren doesnt need to go at all. He can get the promotion and pick a few guys he wants. Bring in an assistant gm that is a more personality type that can deal with player and agents and let zarren crunch numbers.

I hink Austin needs to go though.

[cloverleaf]

I don't see Danny staying if they make him dump Austin.

But I still think Wyc has a chance to flip this around and become a hero by getting KG into ownership and giving him control of the basketball operation--GM and coach hiring, etc.

[Dave_From_NB]

I'm truly baffled by the TT hate all year. The only time he was consistently bad was at the start of the year, when he was just settling in, and when he just got back from covid. Take those away, and he has been exactly as advertised, and exactly worth his salary.

I remember last year everyone was bemoaning not having any vets with championship experience on the bench. Ainge goes and gets TT and Teague. Teague is made expendable by Pritchard but he was a vet min guy anyways, while TT has done exactly what he always does, including on the leadership side. There's a lot of things to hate on Ainge about of late, but I don't see how one can hate either TT or Ainge for signing him.

I think TT suffered from the overall disappointment from the offseason. Fans basically saying "is that all?" TT to replace Kanter and Teague to replace Wannamaker, while a trade exception replaced Hayward. I mean you score that a 1 out of 10 for offseason moves.

[Dave_From_NB]

What really makes me support Ainge going, is that the team he fleeced to get all these top picks has managed to go from the ashes to contender, while Ainge hasn't been able to get hardly anything to support the assets he was able to accumulate. With the base that the Nets and Celtics started from 5 years ago, the Celtics should be a vastly better team. To me, that is entirely on Ainge.

I think Ainge has been living off of 2 fantastic trades - the one for KG, and the one sending him (and Pierce) to the Nets. Other than that, he's been pretty pedestrian.

[Red2]

We need to get bigger and we need more bench scoring . We also need a point guard with size. Trading kemba would be ideal but who’s going to take his salary?i would like to keep Brown but i could see a scenario where danny trades him for a combination of players and picks

[Red2]

Thanks to Danny the Hawks, bucks, sixers , nets, heat and knicks all have more talent than we do. We are a 500, middle of the pack team with no cap soace and no draft pucks. Through a combination of bad decisions and bad luck we are now stuck in no man’s land.

[BRUNiNHO91]

We need size, shooting and length.

I like the idea of Kemba for Horford. Maybe Kemba for Porzingis if Dallas bites. The player we draft should be a guy like Jaren Jackson, Obi Toppin or Thybulle. Get rid of the midgets on tbe team.. Smallest guy going into next year should be Pritchard.

Btw, we had Bane and Thybulle and traded both guys. Both would be terrific for us..bet Ainge wishes he had a re do on that.

The saving grace for him is Brown is a stud and Tatum has literally proved he can outplay Kevin **** Durant. That's pretty huge and with those two guys on board, we shouldn't struggle too much to build a really competitive top 3 seed in the East if being competitive is really the direction we choose to go all in on. Just have to be more aggressive making moves.

[sam_I_am]

We need size, shooting and length.

I like the idea of Kemba for Horford. Maybe Kemba for Porzingis if Dallas bites. The player we draft should be a guy like Jaren Jackson, Obi Toppin or Thybulle. Get rid of the midgets on tbe team.. Smallest guy going into next year should be Pritchard.

Btw, we had Bane and Thybulle and traded both guys. Both would be terrific for us..bet Ainge wishes he had a re do on that.

The saving grace for him is Brown is a stud and Tatum has literally proved he can outplay Kevin **** Durant. That's pretty huge and with those two guys on board, we shouldn't struggle too much to build a really competitive top 3 seed in the East if being competitive is really the direction we choose to go all in on. Just have to be more aggressive making moves.

I’m not sure Tatum has proven he can outplay Durant given that Durant is doing anything he wants with minimal expense of effort. The fact that Tatum has put himself in that conversation already is amazing no doubt. Smart, Brown, Tatum are home developed talents that are the bedrock of a contender but the time for action is now. This team can’t spin its wheels in limbo between a rebuild and trying to contend anymore. It’s time to go all in this off season. Every move should be to make this team capable of competing with Bucks and Sixers and to have enough talent that title pretenders like the Nets don’t overwhelm them.