Last Train to Celticsville Trade Thread

[CelticFaninLBC]

Think you roll in a trade for someone like Jerami Grant with the C's paying the price for him.

BOS: Collins
ATL: Grant, Smart, Grant Williams
DET: Gallinari, Nesmith, 1st from Boston

C's get their 3rd banana, ATL gets defense, Detroit cash in on Jerami.

Good trade for Atlanta and Boston. Can't see Detroit wanting Gallo, who is guaranteed $5m next year. Maybe something like...

BOS - Collins
ATL: Grant & Smart
DET: Jalen Johnson, Nesmith, BOS FRP, LouWill & Bruno

This is a terrible trade for Atlanta. You lose a fringe all star for Marcus freaking Smart.

Being part of a "big 3" could be more enticing than being Trae's #2.

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You must not like Jerami Grant.

[Jaqua92]

Good trade for Atlanta and Boston. Can't see Detroit wanting Gallo, who is guaranteed $5m next year. Maybe something like...

BOS - Collins
ATL: Grant & Smart
DET: Jalen Johnson, Nesmith, BOS FRP, LouWill & Bruno

This is a terrible trade for Atlanta. You lose a fringe all star for Marcus freaking Smart.

Being part of a "big 3" could be more enticing than being Trae's #2.

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You must not like Jerami Grant.

Didn't read through the thread. Thought it was a double typo lol.

Forgot all about him. Yeah, I 100% retract that statement.

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[Andrew McCeltic]

Actually works.. pitch it to the Detroit and Atlanta boards.. they'll balk at Jalen Johnson and start saying Collins is better than Grant.. (is he?)

You'd have to really like Collins' fit for us to give up Nesmith, Smart, and a 1st.. but it's a good, opportunistic trade. Could you take Marcus out of it? Hawks trade Collins for Grant, Nesmith, DET gets a BOS 1st and Jalen Johnson?

[keevsnick1]

This year I'd say the modest trade deadline goals should be....

1) Trade Schroder (partly to open up Pricthard minutes).
2) Bring in a rotation level shooter.

Doesn't have to be in the same deal, although I guess it could. Hard to think what the deal would be, but maybe if you add Schroder+Langford (as a flier) and/or a 2nd rounder you can get back a rotation shooter?

Starters: Smart-Brown-Tatum-Grant/Jrich-Rob
Bench: Pritchard-JRich/Grant-Bench Shooter-Horford

Solid enough 9 man rotation, better spacing with minimum 3 shooters out there at all times. Still some minutes to get Nesmith some run.

[Fierce1]

If the Celts are to do anything significant on or before the trade deadline, Marcus Smart is the one who has to be traded.

Celts are sticking with the Jays, they're not going anywhere.

That means Smart is the only one with significant trade value.

[fallguy]

Be careful there. Got to qualify...

No more shoot first PG, but PG still needs to be a good shooter.

Smart isn't shoot-first (made a conscious effort past few seasons to just take open threes and this season to drive more) but still can't shoot for crap.

Yeah, no argument there. We have room for ONE non-shooter in the starting lineup and that's Rob.

Which shouldn't even be the case. Why are we pigeonholing him to be a non-shooter? He has the stroke from midrange. Why not try to extend that further? I recall Stevens giving the green light to guys like Sully and Amir Johnson. Rob with an outside shot (and someone who can finish after one or two dribbles) would be a much more potent offensive threat.

Late response on this but... he doesn't have a reliable mid-range shot yet but it will come. No idea if there's a three ball there. I'd rather see a post game and surround him with Jaylen/Tatum and two more shooters.

[Andrew McCeltic]

I wouldn't count on it.. midrange or 3 point shot or both could come next year or in five years or never for Rob. Obviously huge if he can get there

[cl2117]

Actually works.. pitch it to the Detroit and Atlanta boards.. they'll balk at Jalen Johnson and start saying Collins is better than Grant.. (is he?)

You'd have to really like Collins' fit for us to give up Nesmith, Smart, and a 1st.. but it's a good, opportunistic trade. Could you take Marcus out of it? Hawks trade Collins for Grant, Nesmith, DET gets a BOS 1st and Jalen Johnson?

Can't imagine they'd entertain it without Smart. I don't think he carries a ton of value around the league, but he's got a ton of value to ATL. He's a perfect backcourt partner for Trae given their defensive issues.

I think if you wanted to try to push the boat out and improve the deal for the C's, get DET to eat Horford instead of Gallo. It's a $9m difference in guaranteed money next year, but it'd give us a ton more room to make moves. Doubt they'd get on board for that unless they got an extra asset though.

I'd 100% move that package for Collins though. He slots in nicely next to Rob and then you've got 4 slots cemented in the starting lineup. PG is still a hole, but you're not going to fix this entire roster in one trade. Try to fold in Wright or go for DJ Augustin in HOU as stop gap measures and then hope you can get something this summer.

Rubio coming off that injury will be a FA, he would be a great fit if healthy. Dejounte Murray is my wet dream at this stage (especially if we added Collins). I'd send all our picks/swaps for him and roll out:

Murray
Brown
Tatum
Collins
Timelord

Top to bottom that's a starting 5 I think can win the East.

[Theocy]

Actually works.. pitch it to the Detroit and Atlanta boards.. they'll balk at Jalen Johnson and start saying Collins is better than Grant.. (is he?)

You'd have to really like Collins' fit for us to give up Nesmith, Smart, and a 1st.. but it's a good, opportunistic trade. Could you take Marcus out of it? Hawks trade Collins for Grant, Nesmith, DET gets a BOS 1st and Jalen Johnson?

Can't imagine they'd entertain it without Smart. I don't think he carries a ton of value around the league, but he's got a ton of value to ATL. He's a perfect backcourt partner for Trae given their defensive issues.

I think if you wanted to try to push the boat out and improve the deal for the C's, get DET to eat Horford instead of Gallo. It's a $9m difference in guaranteed money next year, but it'd give us a ton more room to make moves. Doubt they'd get on board for that unless they got an extra asset though.

I'd 100% move that package for Collins though. He slots in nicely next to Rob and then you've got 4 slots cemented in the starting lineup. PG is still a hole, but you're not going to fix this entire roster in one trade. Try to fold in Wright or go for DJ Augustin in HOU as stop gap measures and then hope you can get something this summer.

Rubio coming off that injury will be a FA, he would be a great fit if healthy. Dejounte Murray is my wet dream at this stage (especially if we added Collins). I'd send all our picks/swaps for him and roll out:

Murray
Brown
Tatum
Collins
Timelord

Top to bottom that's a starting 5 I think can win the East.

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was trying to figure out how we can land Dejunta and came here to ask for ideas you beat me to it by a few minutes.

Thing is, I;d be happy just with Murray and skipping the Collins package. Not because i dont like Collins per se but because i doubt we can land him. Instead would prefer to focus on Spurs and make that work.

Murray
Brown
Someone
Tatum
Lob Williams

is still a very competent starting 5. Now if we can land Collins and Dejuntay we probs need to build a statue for Brad. We will bleed all our young assets and picks but **** it. We're also going really deep n the lux tax dont we? Is there any TPE we can still use perhaps?


edit: There is. We can absorb Dejuntay in our TPE. If we then set up a follow up trade with Spurs we can pretty much go at it and make it happen.

[cl2117]

was trying to figure out how we can land Dejunta and came here to ask for ideas you beat me to it by a few minutes.

Thing is, I;d be happy just with Murray and skipping the Collins package. Not because i dont like Collins per se but because i doubt we can land him. Instead would prefer to focus on Spurs and make that work.

Murray
Brown
Someone
Tatum
Lob Williams

is still a very competent starting 5. Now if we can land Collins and Dejuntay we probs need to build a statue for Brad. We will bleed all our young assets and picks but **** it. We're also going really deep n the lux tax dont we? Is there any TPE we can still use perhaps?

edit: There is. We can absorb Dejuntay in our TPE. If we then set up a follow up trade with Spurs we can pretty much go at it and make it happen.

The problem with Dejounte is there is no reason for the Spurs to trade him and we don't have the kind of assets to offer that might change their mind.

Think our only hope is a Jrue Holiday type deal where we just ship all our picks/swaps to SAS, but even in that circumstance they need a reason to be moving on and there just isn't one. Pelicans were ready to blow things up a bit and Jrue was about to get a monster extension, so it made sense to trade him. Murray has 3 years left on his contract (which is a bargain) and is much younger.

Spurs just don't strike me as a team that'd be interested in blowing it up either. Maybe once Pop goes and if RC is going as well, but until then I'd expect them to keep ploughing ahead even as a non-playoff team.

Think that has to stay as a pipedream.

Realistically we're only going shopping in the disgruntled/blow up market. Either get a guy like Collins who is unhappy and might cause problems or a guy like Beal if he's not resigning and the Wiz look to get a rebuild package. Without trading a Jay, we just don't have enough for guys like Murray.

[Theocy]

was trying to figure out how we can land Dejunta and came here to ask for ideas you beat me to it by a few minutes.

Thing is, I;d be happy just with Murray and skipping the Collins package. Not because i dont like Collins per se but because i doubt we can land him. Instead would prefer to focus on Spurs and make that work.

Murray
Brown
Someone
Tatum
Lob Williams

is still a very competent starting 5. Now if we can land Collins and Dejuntay we probs need to build a statue for Brad. We will bleed all our young assets and picks but **** it. We're also going really deep n the lux tax dont we? Is there any TPE we can still use perhaps?

edit: There is. We can absorb Dejuntay in our TPE. If we then set up a follow up trade with Spurs we can pretty much go at it and make it happen.

The problem with Dejounte is there is no reason for the Spurs to trade him and we don't have the kind of assets to offer that might change their mind.

Think our only hope is a Jrue Holiday type deal where we just ship all our picks/swaps to SAS, but even in that circumstance they need a reason to be moving on and there just isn't one. Pelicans were ready to blow things up a bit and Jrue was about to get a monster extension, so it made sense to trade him. Murray has 3 years left on his contract (which is a bargain) and is much younger.

Spurs just don't strike me as a team that'd be interested in blowing it up either. Maybe once Pop goes and if RC is going as well, but until then I'd expect them to keep ploughing ahead even as a non-playoff team.

Think that has to stay as a pipedream.

Realistically we're only going shopping in the disgruntled/blow up market. Either get a guy like Collins who is unhappy and might cause problems or a guy like Beal if he's not resigning and the Wiz look to get a rebuild package. Without trading a Jay, we just don't have enough for guys like Murray.

i mean realistically speaking Spurs are bad this year and a lottery team perhaps? we can give them nesmith, picks (at least 2-3) and get the to embrace the tank. That leaves us with Smart, Romeo but no other picks for Atlanta (that's why i was thinking we can't target both of them and from the two i'd prefer Murray). Maybe brad get Pop to do us a favour

[cl2117]

i mean realistically speaking Spurs are bad this year and a lottery team perhaps? we can give them nesmith, picks (at least 2-3) and get the to embrace the tank. That leaves us with Smart, Romeo but no other picks for Atlanta (that's why i was thinking we can't target both of them and from the two i'd prefer Murray). Maybe brad get Pop to do us a favour

Yeah but with Pop close to retirement, I don't see him signing on to coach a tanking squad for his final year or two. If he decides to move on, then maybe. I'd still worry about being outbid by other teams, but I agree he's an amazing fit for the Jays.

I don't know if Brad can get Pop to do us a favor, but Ime is one of his disciples so maybe he's willing to help an old friend out...

We just need to start working towards getting a 3rd star though. Even if we trade for Collins now and then look to use him as the center of a trade package for a better 3rd star (like Murray), that'd work. First chance we get to turn our non-Jays into a 3rd star Brad just needs to pull the trigger.

[Stan34]

Wiggins and Jaylen. I couldnt image some haters could have gone that far . Jesus Christ...

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[ddb]

Philly attempting to attach Tobias Harris and his brutal contract to Ben Simmons in trades is about as hilarious as Bill Burr stand-up comedy. Give me a break! Has Morey lost his damn mind?

[Larry_Russell]

Philly attempting to attach Tobias Harris and his brutal contract to Ben Simmons in trades is about as hilarious as Bill Burr stand-up comedy. Give me a break! Has Morey lost his damn mind?

What that, Like 70 million dollars worth of contract to match?

lol

[TheOGJabroni]

Philly attempting to attach Tobias Harris and his brutal contract to Ben Simmons in trades is about as hilarious as Bill Burr stand-up comedy. Give me a break! Has Morey lost his damn mind?

No kidding. Even if a team was willing, that is a lot of salary to absorb. Philly would get a ridiculous return or equally bad contracts coming back. It makes no sense.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Actually works.. pitch it to the Detroit and Atlanta boards.. they'll balk at Jalen Johnson and start saying Collins is better than Grant.. (is he?)

You'd have to really like Collins' fit for us to give up Nesmith, Smart, and a 1st.. but it's a good, opportunistic trade. Could you take Marcus out of it? Hawks trade Collins for Grant, Nesmith, DET gets a BOS 1st and Jalen Johnson?

Can't imagine they'd entertain it without Smart. I don't think he carries a ton of value around the league, but he's got a ton of value to ATL. He's a perfect backcourt partner for Trae given their defensive issues.

I think if you wanted to try to push the boat out and improve the deal for the C's, get DET to eat Horford instead of Gallo. It's a $9m difference in guaranteed money next year, but it'd give us a ton more room to make moves. Doubt they'd get on board for that unless they got an extra asset though.

I'd 100% move that package for Collins though. He slots in nicely next to Rob and then you've got 4 slots cemented in the starting lineup. PG is still a hole, but you're not going to fix this entire roster in one trade. Try to fold in Wright or go for DJ Augustin in HOU as stop gap measures and then hope you can get something this summer.

Rubio coming off that injury will be a FA, he would be a great fit if healthy. Dejounte Murray is my wet dream at this stage (especially if we added Collins). I'd send all our picks/swaps for him and roll out:

Murray
Brown
Tatum
Collins
Timelord

Top to bottom that's a starting 5 I think can win the East.

Can't see Murray available unless they're dealing Brown.

Derrick White may an option though.

[TheOGJabroni]

I saw this on the trade board from a Jazz fan:

Utah trades: Joe Ingles, Jordan Clarkson, Hassan Whiteside, 2022 MEM 2nd
Boston trades: Al Horford, Dennis Schroder (into Utah TPE)

I would jump all over that. I think it really helps balance our roster and it gets us under the tax line. A nine-man rotation of:

Smart (18) | Clarkson (30)
Brown (18) | Richardson (18) | Smart (12)
Tatum (33) | Brown (15)
Ingles (24) | G. Williams (24)
R. Williams (30) | Whiteside (18)

More spacing with Ingles & Clarkson > Horford & Schroder. Ingles may be older, but he's exactly the type of ball mover you would like with this team too. Whiteside will be less of a liability than Freedom as the backup C. Count me in.

[jmr07019]

Most people say that Celtics and the Jays need a pg. Who is available and who would you like?

Not Being Moved - Steph, Luka, Trae, CP3, Jrue, Lowry, Conley, Morant, SGA, Lamelo, Lonzo, Garland

Dame, Beal and Murray have been discussed. Who else is there?

Russ - no
Kemba - NO
Sexton - out for the year with a torn meniscus and is due a big contract, probably expensive to trade for
Rozier - not a great passer or playmaker if that's what you're after
Graham, Dinwiddie, Russell - I'm not interested in inefficient scorers especially those who shoot sub 35% from 3

That leaves....

Brogdon has a nice combo of playmaking, efficient scoring, 3 point ability, defense, age and contract. Pacers sucking could push him onto the trade market and we should have the assets to make a deal.

FVV has a surprisingly low TS% for such a good 3 point shooter. He is similar to Brogdon in that he offers a nice combo of skills and won't demand a blue chip asset to trade for. I can't see Raps trading him to us unless we were getting screwed but you never know.

Fox has bad shooting ability and the high volume scoring on low efficiency is very concerning but it would be a talent upgrade for sure. Maybe it clicks for him on a new team. Would be expensive in terms of trade assets and salary. If I am spending most / all of my trade assets and locking in a core it needs to be a sure thing which Fox is not.

Simmons is the last guy who comes to mind. Horrendous fit next to Rob and Smart but in terms of talent and availability he is starting to look appealing. I would end this Simmons is a pg nonsense. He would be PF and sometimes C. Put a shooter at pg and see if Rob and Simmons can co-exist. Our defense would be phenomanl. Simmons is a surprising efficient scorer for a guy who looks like he's never seen someone shoot a jumper before.

[cl2117]

Atlanta is a team that could do the Simmons/Harris trade.

ATL: Simmons, Harris
PHI: Collins, Gallinari, Bogdanovic

Money works out. Collins is disgruntled, good swap with Simmons. He pairs well with Embiid. Danilo and Bogi offset Harris.

Think that's not bad both ways.