Summer League 2023, Multi-Game Thread – Celtics (2-3) in Vegas, July 7-17

[SLCceltic]

Walsh looks fantastic, great fit for what we need playing alongside the Jays. He does everything, so disruptive keeps the ball moving, plays so hard and with edge

Bean is very interesting, reminds me of a smaller more athletic Joe ingles. We may have something here...

Azubuke can have great impact if he is focused and playing hard. Still young with great size, rebounding post scoring, great nba body but his hustle and focus are serious question marks !

Everybody else is a scrubb, Champaigne is a hell of a rebounder for his size, but too small - JD has STRUGGLED
Scrub is just some Gleaguer -

Agree re: Walsh and Bean, though he may be a bit redundant with Hauser.

I am not really fan of Champagnie, but he had a very good game--and at 6'6" and 200 lbs, how is he too small for a SF? He also just turned 22, so still has lots of potential to develop. (C's fans somehow keep saying that about JB after 7 years in the league...)

Scrubb has some real scoring talent, but can he commit consistently to the rest of the game?

to be clear, He is not too small for SF, he is too small to dominate games as a rebounder . If were 6'9+ I would be singing some praises

[Larry_Russell]

RE: Rodman
Its weird isnt it...anyone who watched Dennis back in the day....it just so eerie almost. Even the way Walsh inbouds the ball of a made basket, half inbounds half outbounds....just very Rodman like



re: Starting lineup/

I think I am more in your court for thinking. I just think I am outside of Joes court of thinking on it.

I can very much so get behind Tatum at PF (he has better numbers there)
I can very much get behind Brown at sf( Not as much dribbling....WIN)

I can get behind White playing at SG (he is just a great guy to have ont he court)

I can get behind having a PG who can set the table, handle and calm the team down at times, and make shots.......Just not sure Brogdon is that guy, but not sure that guy is obtainable with the trade assets the team has.

I'm onboard with the Rodman reference. IMO, Greatest Defensive Player of All-Time.
If Walsh becomes 1/3rd of what Rodman was, that would be Good. Half of Rodman, and he'd be Great.

Walsh looked like a great defender in college. In summer league he looks reasonably good on defense - maybe even NBA ready - but hardly the difference maker I was hoping he would be like we’ve seen before from Tony Allen, Rondo, Avery Bradley and Smart. And none of those 4 guys were like Rodman. Walsh’s length will make him a great help defender but I’m not seeing the lock down ability at this level. Maybe it’s a foot speed thing…..maybe the coaches have him focusing on other aspects of the game. Still…..I can’t endorse the Rodman comparisons after these 2 games. Would be happy to turn out wrong about this.

I think it would be awesome if he turns out to be a solid top 10 rotation 3 and D guy off the bench.

I think you might have misunderstood my point.

I only think he MOVES like Rodman around the court. That same sort of gate, and hands, etc. Its only his movement. Which is something that cannot be taught. I also dont expect him to be a game changer from the get go, but he will be, and soon.

As hard as he has been working on his shooting recently, it proves he is a worker.


I think we have a Thabo type of guy, not a rodman.

[sam_I_am]

I'm onboard with the Rodman reference. IMO, Greatest Defensive Player of All-Time.
If Walsh becomes 1/3rd of what Rodman was, that would be Good. Half of Rodman, and he'd be Great.

Walsh looked like a great defender in college. In summer league he looks reasonably good on defense - maybe even NBA ready - but hardly the difference maker I was hoping he would be like we’ve seen before from Tony Allen, Rondo, Avery Bradley and Smart. And none of those 4 guys were like Rodman. Walsh’s length will make him a great help defender but I’m not seeing the lock down ability at this level. Maybe it’s a foot speed thing…..maybe the coaches have him focusing on other aspects of the game. Still…..I can’t endorse the Rodman comparisons after these 2 games. Would be happy to turn out wrong about this.

I think it would be awesome if he turns out to be a solid top 10 rotation 3 and D guy off the bench.

I think you might have misunderstood my point.

I only think he MOVES like Rodman around the court. That same sort of gate, and hands, etc. Its only his movement. Which is something that cannot be taught. I also dont expect him to be a game changer from the get go, but he will be, and soon.

As hard as he has been working on his shooting recently, it proves he is a worker.


I think we have a Thabo type of guy, not a rodman.

I’m not arguing BTW…..but I want to point out that Rodman had high lottery pick talent yet he was relatively unknown to NBA GMs and was already 25 when drafted. He didn’t get to play at NCAA level because he grew 8 inches after graduating high school. I like Walsh but he was a second round pick after being thoroughly scouted as a very well known prospect. It’ll be fun to see how he develops because he has unique qualities and is in a perfect situation for that to happen.

[darrendaye]

Walsh looked like a great defender in college. In summer league he looks reasonably good on defense - maybe even NBA ready - but hardly the difference maker I was hoping he would be like we’ve seen before from Tony Allen, Rondo, Avery Bradley and Smart. And none of those 4 guys were like Rodman. Walsh’s length will make him a great help defender but I’m not seeing the lock down ability at this level. Maybe it’s a foot speed thing…..maybe the coaches have him focusing on other aspects of the game. Still…..I can’t endorse the Rodman comparisons after these 2 games. Would be happy to turn out wrong about this.

I think it would be awesome if he turns out to be a solid top 10 rotation 3 and D guy off the bench.

I think you might have misunderstood my point.

I only think he MOVES like Rodman around the court. That same sort of gate, and hands, etc. Its only his movement. Which is something that cannot be taught. I also dont expect him to be a game changer from the get go, but he will be, and soon.

As hard as he has been working on his shooting recently, it proves he is a worker.


I think we have a Thabo type of guy, not a rodman.

I’m not arguing BTW…..but I want to point out that Rodman had high lottery pick talent yet he was relatively unknown to NBA GMs and was already 25 when drafted. He didn’t get to play at NCAA level because he grew 8 inches after graduating high school. I like Walsh but he was a second round pick after being thoroughly scouted as a very well known prospect. It’ll be fun to see how he develops because he has unique qualities and is in a perfect situation for that to happen.

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In case the younger gen posters did not get to see him, Rodman was sick. There likely will never be another Rodman, I pray that if there is the Celtics find him. When I say Walsh gave me some Worm-like recall, they were in sporadic moments not a comparison.

[Parliament10]

Respect, goes a long way.

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[Kalela]

Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but M. Kabengele is on the Hawks' roster. On loan, right? Right??

Does this mean there are now two 2-way roster spots open?

That's always been the case. Kabengele's 2-way contract for last year was a 1-year deal. So as soon as the season ended, he became a FA again..

Thanks. Good luck to him with the Hawks or whoever signs him from here on. Anyhow I found Kabengele odd. He was really good in the G League but unplayable, even in garbage minutes, on the Celtics. I always liked him and with his ability to space the floor, I was hoping he would succeed here.

[Parliament10]

Does this mean there are now two 2-way roster spots open?

That's always been the case. Kabengele's 2-way contract for last year was a 1-year deal. So as soon as the season ended, he became a FA again..

Thanks. Good luck to him with the Hawks or whoever signs him from here on. Anyhow I found Kabengele odd. He was really good in the G League but unplayable, even in garbage minutes, on the Celtics. I always liked him and with his ability to space the floor, I was hoping he would succeed here.

Yeah. Weird about Kabengele. Just seems like a AAAA player?
Too good for G League, but not good enough for the NBA.

Also, we can have up to 3 x Two-Ways this year (at a time).
Davison picked his up, again this year. So, Celtics have 2 x Two-Ways left.

[Parliament10]

Can anyone see Champagnie going on a Two-Way this year, instead of the Regular NBA?

[ajones9219]

Is handsome Squidward playing Wednesday? I saw he got banged up last game.

[Parliament10]

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[BK_2020]

Champagnie is better than Justin Jackson or Nik Stauskas or whatever we had at the end of the bench in recent years.

[darrendaye]

Is handsome Squidward playing Wednesday? I saw he got banged up last game.

This is tremendous and I will ABSOLUTELY be adopting this nickname. Amazing.

[NotAKnicksFan]

Dod JD davison really **** his pants ?

[ajones9219]

Is handsome Squidward playing Wednesday? I saw he got banged up last game.

This is tremendous and I will ABSOLUTELY be adopting this nickname. Amazing.

It's uncanny

[Hal14]

Can anyone see Champagnie going on a Two-Way this year, instead of the Regular NBA?

I don't think you can do that. He's on a standard NBA contract and was on a standard NBA contract with us last year. This year it's non-guaranteed, of course. But I don't think you can tell him "yeah we're gonna waive you before your contract guarantee date, then ask you to sign this 2-way that will pay you like half the salary.

First off, I don't think the rules allow that. Secondly, it's just a huge slap in the face to do that to a guy. I mean, I guess a 2-way is better than nothing. And if we waive him, he might literally have nothing - no job, no contract - so while it might hurt his ego quite a bit, at least the 2-way contract is better than nothing..

If we are gonna waive him, I would think we'd try to include him as filler in a trade first, to at least get something for him..

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[Parliament10]

Can anyone see Champagnie going on a Two-Way this year, instead of the Regular NBA?

I don't think you can do that. He's on a standard NBA contract and was on a standard NBA contract with us last year. This year it's guaranteed, of course. But I don't think you can tell him "yeah we're gonna waive you before your contract guarantee date, then ask you to sign this 2-way that will pay you like half the salary.

First off, I don't think the rules allow that. Secondly, it's just a huge slap in the face to do that to a guy. I mean, I guess a 2-way is better than nothing. And if we waive him, he might literally have nothing - no job, no contract - so while it might hurt his ego quite a bit, at least the 2-way contract is better than nothing..

If we are gonna waive him, I would think we'd try to include him as filler in a trade first, to at least get something for him..

He's on a non-guaranteed contract. It can be done. But, I hear what you're saying.
I just don't see Champagnie being on the Full Squad this year.

[darrendaye]

Can anyone see Champagnie going on a Two-Way this year, instead of the Regular NBA?

I don't think you can do that. He's on a standard NBA contract and was on a standard NBA contract with us last year. This year it's guaranteed, of course. But I don't think you can tell him "yeah we're gonna waive you before your contract guarantee date, then ask you to sign this 2-way that will pay you like half the salary.

First off, I don't think the rules allow that. Secondly, it's just a huge slap in the face to do that to a guy. I mean, I guess a 2-way is better than nothing. And if we waive him, he might literally have nothing - no job, no contract - so while it might hurt his ego quite a bit, at least the 2-way contract is better than nothing..

If we are gonna waive him, I would think we'd try to include him as filler in a trade first, to at least get something for him..

Likely would have to guarantee the contract as the non-guaranteed contracts no longer given monetary value in trade (IIRC).

[Hal14]

Can anyone see Champagnie going on a Two-Way this year, instead of the Regular NBA?

I don't think you can do that. He's on a standard NBA contract and was on a standard NBA contract with us last year. This year it's guaranteed, of course. But I don't think you can tell him "yeah we're gonna waive you before your contract guarantee date, then ask you to sign this 2-way that will pay you like half the salary.

First off, I don't think the rules allow that. Secondly, it's just a huge slap in the face to do that to a guy. I mean, I guess a 2-way is better than nothing. And if we waive him, he might literally have nothing - no job, no contract - so while it might hurt his ego quite a bit, at least the 2-way contract is better than nothing..

If we are gonna waive him, I would think we'd try to include him as filler in a trade first, to at least get something for him..

He's on a non-guaranteed contract. It can be done. But, I hear what you're saying.
I just don't see Champagnie being on the Full Squad this year.

Yeah. Meant to say it's non-guaranteed in my post. Just edited it. Coffee hasn't kicked in yet, I guess.

[Parliament10]

I don't think you can do that. He's on a standard NBA contract and was on a standard NBA contract with us last year. This year it's guaranteed, of course. But I don't think you can tell him "yeah we're gonna waive you before your contract guarantee date, then ask you to sign this 2-way that will pay you like half the salary.

First off, I don't think the rules allow that. Secondly, it's just a huge slap in the face to do that to a guy. I mean, I guess a 2-way is better than nothing. And if we waive him, he might literally have nothing - no job, no contract - so while it might hurt his ego quite a bit, at least the 2-way contract is better than nothing..

If we are gonna waive him, I would think we'd try to include him as filler in a trade first, to at least get something for him..

He's on a non-guaranteed contract. It can be done. But, I hear what you're saying.
I just don't see Champagnie being on the Full Squad this year.

Yeah. Meant to say it's non-guaranteed in my post. Just edited it. Coffee hasn't kicked in yet, I guess.

I hear ya.
I'm sucking down my cup, too.