Trade/Free Agency Thread, part Ocho, 2023-24

[Celts17Pride]

Rob - 26 (21 last year but have to hope that maybe he can scale up a bit if healthier)

The only 26 in R Williams future is "maybe" 26 games played. Maybe!

[ajones9219]

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What's corny is he for sure either got that account to tweet why or waited for someone to tweet it

[Celts17Pride]

Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
3 minutes ago

Free agent F Montrezl Harrell has agreed on a one-year deal to return to the Philadelphia 76ers, sources tell ESPN.


A little surprising considering he wasn’t happy in Philly last year

[Triple7]

How many minutes do we think we could get from each of our top 7, assuming good health, come playoff time? 240 total minutes to allocate out. How many of those can they take?

Tatum - 40 (same as last year)
Brown - 38 (same as last year)
White - 34 (up from 30 last year to match what Smart played)
Porzingis - 32 (in line with career average and his limited playoff games)
Brogdon - 26 (was at 25 last year, but that was with checking out of same games early to drag total down a bit)
Horford - 24 (he played 31 last year but have to thik his body will give out at some point, this might even be a stretch?)
Rob - 26 (21 last year but have to hope that maybe he can scale up a bit if healthier)

That's a combined 220 minutes. So if everyone is healthy to play that much, still looking at about 20 minutes left for someone to play. That's not nothing. But even if Grant were brought back, that might have been somewhat tough positionally. He's another PF/C. There are only 96 minutes to play at those spots, and above has Porzingis/Horford/Rob taking 82 of them. So having Grant as the 8th man would have been positionally tough to take all 20, though he could have gotten a chunk. And for him to take that means no Tatum at the 4 which might be our preferred closing lineup, so could be an issue.

It's not the end of the world, but we are going to need one of Hauser, Brissett or Pritchard to be someone we can trust in the playoffs. We really need another wing or guard who can give us reliable minutes night in and night out. I like Hauser best, but he's going to need to continue improving to meet this standard.

And I know the response will be well what if we have injury problems. Then honestly, like BK said, that sucks for us. You can only build so much depth. Having playoff rotation worthy guys backing up a full playoff rotation isn't practical. It'd be nice, but you can only protect so much against injury.

Pritchard can be that guy, if given regular mins, he can really do some damage off the bench on offense. He was not used properly last season because we are guard loaded. and it was unfair to Prtich last playoffs, when he barely played the whole season, then expect him to suddenly play good on erratic and limited mins all of a sudden in the playoffs. The guy can really shoot, can attack the basket and playmake if needed. **** defense. He’s not lazy defensively. Spo was just good at exploiting mismatches. Something we should have done as well, but we didn’t, because we don’t post up players, and just contented at chucking 3’s.

[zoyathedestroya]

Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
3 minutes ago

Free agent F Montrezl Harrell has agreed on a one-year deal to return to the Philadelphia 76ers, sources tell ESPN.


A little surprising considering he wasn’t happy in Philly last year

Maybe too lazy to pack and move.

[zoyathedestroya]

Wearing a Bill Russell shirt is tantamount to agreeing to be traded to the Celtics. I don't make the rules.

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[The Corey's]

I stand firm that 2nd round picks are useful that what I'm on about.

Stats don't show it but sure.

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Suns traded 2 FRP swaps and a player for 3 seconds. Seconds are objectively valuable trade assets these days

I don't see it that way. I see some salary dumps and the Suns gambling they'll be better than the Grizzlies.

[captain green]

How many minutes do we think we could get from each of our top 7, assuming good health, come playoff time? 240 total minutes to allocate out. How many of those can they take?

Tatum - 40 (same as last year)
Brown - 38 (same as last year)
White - 34 (up from 30 last year to match what Smart played)
Porzingis - 32 (in line with career average and his limited playoff games)
Brogdon - 26 (was at 25 last year, but that was with checking out of same games early to drag total down a bit)
Horford - 24 (he played 31 last year but have to thik his body will give out at some point, this might even be a stretch?)
Rob - 26 (21 last year but have to hope that maybe he can scale up a bit if healthier)

That's a combined 220 minutes. So if everyone is healthy to play that much, still looking at about 20 minutes left for someone to play. That's not nothing. But even if Grant were brought back, that might have been somewhat tough positionally. He's another PF/C. There are only 96 minutes to play at those spots, and above has Porzingis/Horford/Rob taking 82 of them. So having Grant as the 8th man would have been positionally tough to take all 20, though he could have gotten a chunk. And for him to take that means no Tatum at the 4 which might be our preferred closing lineup, so could be an issue.

It's not the end of the world, but we are going to need one of Hauser, Brissett or Pritchard to be someone we can trust in the playoffs. We really need another wing or guard who can give us reliable minutes night in and night out. I like Hauser best, but he's going to need to continue improving to meet this standard.

And I know the response will be well what if we have injury problems. Then honestly, like BK said, that sucks for us. You can only build so much depth. Having playoff rotation worthy guys backing up a full playoff rotation isn't practical. It'd be nice, but you can only protect so much against injury.

Respectfully your minutes per game are a lil off I wrote it on the rotation page I know its 36 mpg for Tatum not 40 and browns is wrong too. But I'm tired just letting you know not a dis

[ajones9219]

Stats don't show it but sure.

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Suns traded 2 FRP swaps and a player for 3 seconds. Seconds are objectively valuable trade assets these days

I don't see it that way. I see some salary dumps and the Suns gambling they'll be better than the Grizzlies.

I mean the Suns said they used up their second round picks getting KD and Beal and they wanted to replenish for future trades. Brad has basically said the same about why he is stocking on seconds.

[hugepatsfan]

How many minutes do we think we could get from each of our top 7, assuming good health, come playoff time? 240 total minutes to allocate out. How many of those can they take?

Tatum - 40 (same as last year)
Brown - 38 (same as last year)
White - 34 (up from 30 last year to match what Smart played)
Porzingis - 32 (in line with career average and his limited playoff games)
Brogdon - 26 (was at 25 last year, but that was with checking out of same games early to drag total down a bit)
Horford - 24 (he played 31 last year but have to thik his body will give out at some point, this might even be a stretch?)
Rob - 26 (21 last year but have to hope that maybe he can scale up a bit if healthier)

That's a combined 220 minutes. So if everyone is healthy to play that much, still looking at about 20 minutes left for someone to play. That's not nothing. But even if Grant were brought back, that might have been somewhat tough positionally. He's another PF/C. There are only 96 minutes to play at those spots, and above has Porzingis/Horford/Rob taking 82 of them. So having Grant as the 8th man would have been positionally tough to take all 20, though he could have gotten a chunk. And for him to take that means no Tatum at the 4 which might be our preferred closing lineup, so could be an issue.

It's not the end of the world, but we are going to need one of Hauser, Brissett or Pritchard to be someone we can trust in the playoffs. We really need another wing or guard who can give us reliable minutes night in and night out. I like Hauser best, but he's going to need to continue improving to meet this standard.

And I know the response will be well what if we have injury problems. Then honestly, like BK said, that sucks for us. You can only build so much depth. Having playoff rotation worthy guys backing up a full playoff rotation isn't practical. It'd be nice, but you can only protect so much against injury.

Respectfully your minutes per game are a lil off I wrote it on the rotation page I know its 36 mpg for Tatum not 40 and browns is wrong too. But I'm tired just letting you know not a dis

I am talking playoff minutes, not regular season. Trying to gauge what we need beyond the top 7 for those games, since I think most agree the top 7 is a great group (even if people have nitpicks and preferences for trades). It's the minutes beyond what those guys can play in the playoffs that are a question mark right now.

[snowman]

We have 13 guaranteed contracts at this point, with 2 roster spots and 3 2-way spots to fill. I would like JD to fill the 14th roster spot. However, with our only big men bring Porzingis, RW3, Horford and Kornet (I know we have SF's that can play a role there in small ball, but I'm talking about for multiple games in case one of our top 3 going down for any length of time. Here is a list of big men that I could find. I'm sure there are others, and I'm sure some these guys may not still be available. Please add or delete as you see fit. Anyway, out of this list who would like for the 15th roster spot and who you like for a 2-way spot. (Sorry but too many to do a poll) I believe all of these guys are unrestricted free agents, except Isaiah Mobley (RFA was on 2-way) I think we could get any of them with a minimum offer.

Blake Griffin
Azubuike from our SL team
Balcerowski from our SL team
Valerio Bodon from our SL team (I know he is a forward, but is a solid 6'9, so I'm including him)
Cauley-Stein
Moses Brown
Bol Bol
Isaiah Mobley from Clevland
Dewayne Dedmon
Yurtseven from Miami

I would like to see, depending on summer league performances, Balcerowski as the 15th roster spot. I heard that he will not except a 2-way spot because of the money he would lose but maybe he would except a regular roster spot. Valerio-Bodon and Yurtseven on 2-way contracts would be great. We could still have another PG in the 3rd 2-way spot. This of course is moot, if we move Brogdon or Pritchard, or sign another wing.

[hugepatsfan]

We have 13 guaranteed contracts at this point, with 2 roster spots and 3 2-way spots to fill. I would like JD to fill the 14th roster spot. However, with our only big men bring Porzingis, RW3, Horford and Kornet (I know we have SF's that can play a role there in small ball, but I'm talking about for multiple games in case one of our top 3 going down for any length of time. Here is a list of big men that I could find. I'm sure there are others, and I'm sure some these guys may not still be available. Please add or delete as you see fit. Anyway, out of this list who would like for the 15th roster spot and who you like for a 2-way spot. (Sorry but too many to do a poll) I believe all of these guys are unrestricted free agents, except Isaiah Mobley (RFA was on 2-way) I think we could get any of them with a minimum offer.

Blake Griffin
Azubuike from our SL team
Balcerowski from our SL team
Valerio Bodon from our SL team (I know he is a forward, but is a solid 6'9, so I'm including him)
Cauley-Stein
Moses Brown
Bol Bol
Isaiah Mobley from Clevland
Dewayne Dedmon
Yurtseven from Miami

I would like to see, depending on summer league performances, Balcerowski as the 15th roster spot. I heard that he will not except a 2-way spot because of the money he would lose but maybe he would except a regular roster spot. Valerio-Bodon and Yurtseven on 2-way contracts would be great. We could still have another PG in the 3rd 2-way spot. This of course is moot, if we move Brogdon or Pritchard, or sign another wing.

All 3 of Porzingis/Horford/Rob would have to be out before I’d ever want any of those guys to play.

White / Banton
Brown / Pritchard
Hauser
Tatum / Brisset
(Whichever one of the top 3 bigs is healthy) / Kornet

I’d run that 9 man rotation before I played any of those guys tbh.

[GoCeltics123]

Philly has Embiid/Bamba/Trezz

If they lose Paul Reed that would be hilarious dude

[GoGreen]

How many minutes do we think we could get from each of our top 7, assuming good health, come playoff time? 240 total minutes to allocate out. How many of those can they take?

Tatum - 40 (same as last year)
Brown - 38 (same as last year)
White - 34 (up from 30 last year to match what Smart played)
Porzingis - 32 (in line with career average and his limited playoff games)
Brogdon - 26 (was at 25 last year, but that was with checking out of same games early to drag total down a bit)
Horford - 24 (he played 31 last year but have to thik his body will give out at some point, this might even be a stretch?)
Rob - 26 (21 last year but have to hope that maybe he can scale up a bit if healthier)

That's a combined 220 minutes. So if everyone is healthy to play that much, still looking at about 20 minutes left for someone to play. That's not nothing. But even if Grant were brought back, that might have been somewhat tough positionally. He's another PF/C. There are only 96 minutes to play at those spots, and above has Porzingis/Horford/Rob taking 82 of them. So having Grant as the 8th man would have been positionally tough to take all 20, though he could have gotten a chunk. And for him to take that means no Tatum at the 4 which might be our preferred closing lineup, so could be an issue.

It's not the end of the world, but we are going to need one of Hauser, Brissett or Pritchard to be someone we can trust in the playoffs. We really need another wing or guard who can give us reliable minutes night in and night out. I like Hauser best, but he's going to need to continue improving to meet this standard.

And I know the response will be well what if we have injury problems. Then honestly, like BK said, that sucks for us. You can only build so much depth. Having playoff rotation worthy guys backing up a full playoff rotation isn't practical. It'd be nice, but you can only protect so much against injury.

This is why I hope Brad makes a move for another quality piece or 2. Team just isn't deep enough for the playoffs I don't think.

[The Corey's]

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Suns traded 2 FRP swaps and a player for 3 seconds. Seconds are objectively valuable trade assets these days

I don't see it that way. I see some salary dumps and the Suns gambling they'll be better than the Grizzlies.

I mean the Suns said they used up their second round picks getting KD and Beal and they wanted to replenish for future trades. Brad has basically said the same about why he is stocking on seconds.

I mean, Who are they going to get with the cap situation as it is?

[ajones9219]

I don't see it that way. I see some salary dumps and the Suns gambling they'll be better than the Grizzlies.

I mean the Suns said they used up their second round picks getting KD and Beal and they wanted to replenish for future trades. Brad has basically said the same about why he is stocking on seconds.

I mean, Who are they going to get with the cap situation as it is?

The Suns or the Celtics?

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Yup

[Tyakack]

Don't go half way in. Go all the way. Not having a title since 2008 is unacceptable. We can't keep acting like we are the city of championships and never win lmao. We can't keep living off the past.

[The Corey's]

I mean the Suns said they used up their second round picks getting KD and Beal and they wanted to replenish for future trades. Brad has basically said the same about why he is stocking on seconds.

I mean, Who are they going to get with the cap situation as it is?

The Suns or the Celtics?

The Celtics are now at the point where they can't add any significant pieces like Beal or Dame with these second round picks without sending out legitimate talent in exchange.

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Agree. Very awkward last year for Jaylen Brown to be mentioned in a possible KD trade. Wonder if it came from Nets or Durant's agent.