Trade/Free Agency Thread, whose NINE is it anyways?? 2023-24

[zoyathedestroya]

Because of the delay, people are really getting creative out there. I respect it. lol.

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[zoyathedestroya]

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[exculpatory]

I hope this weird delay means they're trying to find a Brown trade that makes sense.

His impact on winning is nowhere near his reputation. If he's unwilling to take less just ship him out. Can't lose him for nothing. He's a borderline TOP 25 player in the league. He should get no more than $35-40M a year. Pay him $59M a year and it's gonna be impossible to build a winner around Tatum moving forward.

**** A YES.

And he is also an ignoramous.

But he sadly will be a Celtic in 23-24.

[Larry_Russell]

https://nbaanalysis.net/2023/07/13/nba-trade-rumors-new-york-knicks-boston-celtics-jaylen-brown-jalen-brunson-julius-randle-mitchell-robinson-news/

Zach Buckley of Bleacher Report is proposing the following three-team trade involving the Celtics, Knicks and Portland Trail Blazers. The deal would put an end to the Damian Lillard trade saga by sending him to Boston, instead of the Miami Heat.

Jaylen Brown to the Knicks; Damian Lillard and a 2024 first-round pick (top-12 protected, from NYK via WAS) to the Boston Celtics; RJ Barrett, Malcolm Brogdon, Quentin Grimes, Jericho Sims, a 2026 first-round pick (from NYK), a 2028 first-round pick (from NYK) and a 2027 first-round pick swap (from BOS) to the Portland Trail Blazers

Brown is eligible to sign a designated veteran extension with the Celtics this summer. The star swingman averaged 26.6 points, 6.9 rebounds and 3.5 assists last season for Boston. Brown has one year left on his contract. He will make $28.5 million next season and hit unrestricted free agency in the summer of 2024 if the Celtics don’t sign him to an extension.

Am I wrong to want a smidge more?

Perhaps we take sims and grimes? Maybe Keon Johnson from portland too?

Dame/pritch/banton
White/grimes/johnson
Tatum/walsh/hauser
Porzingas/horford/brisset
Timelord/sims/kornet

[CelticFaninLBC]

I hope this weird delay means they're trying to find a Brown trade that makes sense.

His impact on winning is nowhere near his reputation. If he's unwilling to take less just ship him out. Can't lose him for nothing. He's a borderline TOP 25 player in the league. He should get no more than $35-40M a year. Pay him $59M a year and it's gonna be impossible to build a winner around Tatum moving forward.

**** A YES.

And he is also an ignoramous.

But he sadly will be a Celtic in 23-24.

So repetitive.

[BK_2020]

I don't understand this "In 5 years his contract will be only 28% of the cap" argument. The market values players with that information already factored in. It's not some magical sleight of hand that makes an overpaid contract better as time passes. It's like agreeing to pay $900 per month to buy a Hyundai on 15% APR/84 months financing and then rationalizing that purchase by saying in 7 years, $900 per month will be the same as $600 per month now.

[darrendaye]

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[FlyBono]

I hope this weird delay means they're trying to find a Brown trade that makes sense.

His impact on winning is nowhere near his reputation. If he's unwilling to take less just ship him out. Can't lose him for nothing. He's a borderline TOP 25 player in the league. He should get no more than $35-40M a year. Pay him $59M a year and it's gonna be impossible to build a winner around Tatum moving forward.

There's no Jaylen Brown trade with 1 year left that makes you better, unless you trade him for Dame

You can just trade him next year when he's on a long-term deal

If the Player is over-paid in the first place with this super max deal, you would think his trade value would take a hit, no?
I say you move him now for better talent if the right deal is there

[Andrew McCeltic]

Because of the delay, people are really getting creative out there. I respect it. lol.

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Jaylen's agent's burner account really getting creative out there

[FlyBono]

I hope this weird delay means they're trying to find a Brown trade that makes sense.

His impact on winning is nowhere near his reputation. If he's unwilling to take less just ship him out. Can't lose him for nothing. He's a borderline TOP 25 player in the league. He should get no more than $35-40M a year. Pay him $59M a year and it's gonna be impossible to build a winner around Tatum moving forward.

There's no Jaylen Brown trade with 1 year left that makes you better, unless you trade him for Dame

You can just trade him next year when he's on a long-term deal

If you think Brown is a legit star than trading him is a big loss. I think it's addition by subtraction. A lot of players could average 25 points on this Celtics team if they got 20 shots every night playing next to Tatum.

Jaylen on a 5 year $300M contract will have less value next summer than on an expiring today. Brown's new deal will start just over $50M. With the new matching rules Celtics will have to take back at least $45M in salary next summer. What do people think will be coming back next summer? Someone on a great deal, blue chips rookie scale guys?

Hell no. He will be seen as a Beal, Poole, Herro. Guys that get you 20 a night but are overpaid. Market has been set. Guys that will be on the table for him will be Towns, LaVine, maybe Trae Young. Trash in, trash out.

So you would trade him now?

The player has his chance to shine in game 7, he didn’t . He is no Scottie Pippin

I build around Tatum, not sign Brown to any mega deal

[zoyathedestroya]

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Did we sign him to something?

[GoCeltics123]

I hope this weird delay means they're trying to find a Brown trade that makes sense.

His impact on winning is nowhere near his reputation. If he's unwilling to take less just ship him out. Can't lose him for nothing. He's a borderline TOP 25 player in the league. He should get no more than $35-40M a year. Pay him $59M a year and it's gonna be impossible to build a winner around Tatum moving forward.

There's no Jaylen Brown trade with 1 year left that makes you better, unless you trade him for Dame

You can just trade him next year when he's on a long-term deal

If you think Brown is a legit star than trading him is a big loss. I think it's addition by subtraction. A lot of players could average 25 points on this Celtics team if they got 20 shots every night playing next to Tatum.

Jaylen on a 5 year $300M contract will have less value next summer than on an expiring today. Brown's new deal will start just over $50M. With the new matching rules Celtics will have to take back at least $45M in salary next summer. What do people think will be coming back next summer? Someone on a great deal, blue chips rookie scale guys?

Hell no. He will be seen as a Beal, Poole, Herro. Guys that get you 20 a night but are overpaid. Market has been set. Guys that will be on the table for him will be Towns, LaVine, maybe Trae Young. Trash in, trash out.

I don't think Jaylen Brown is worth a supermax.

I think saying addition by subtraction with him is pretty nuts. He's extremely flawed. He has some terrible, terrible moments defensively and ball-handling wise. I think he is overrated. But addition by subtraction is crazy talk to me. Like banana-land ****.

Like I'll break this down for the fans who want Jaylen Brown gone right now: De'Andre Hunter is the best player you will realistically get. Ask yourself, why would Chicago trade LaVine on a long-term deal for Jaylen? Why would the Hawks trade Trae for him? MAYBE KAT but he's on a supermax too, and the only reason they'd do that is his fit with Rudy stinks. So probably Hunter. If you think trading Jaylen for Hunter makes this team better, I have a bridge to sell you.

IF you sign Jaylen and trade him next summer: you're right, teams gotta match salary. Maybe you flip Jaylen/KP and every pick you have for Luka. Or Embiid. Maybe you trade Jaylen for TWO role players like De'Andre Hunter, not just one.

If you don't like Jaylen Brown, that's fine. But on asset management purposes, trading him now is a disaster. There's no other way to put it.

If you think trading De'Andre Hunter for Jaylen Brown makes the Celtics a better team, be my guest. It's delusional, but be my guest.

[BK_2020]

There's no Jaylen Brown trade with 1 year left that makes you better, unless you trade him for Dame

You can just trade him next year when he's on a long-term deal

If you think Brown is a legit star than trading him is a big loss. I think it's addition by subtraction. A lot of players could average 25 points on this Celtics team if they got 20 shots every night playing next to Tatum.

Jaylen on a 5 year $300M contract will have less value next summer than on an expiring today. Brown's new deal will start just over $50M. With the new matching rules Celtics will have to take back at least $45M in salary next summer. What do people think will be coming back next summer? Someone on a great deal, blue chips rookie scale guys?

Hell no. He will be seen as a Beal, Poole, Herro. Guys that get you 20 a night but are overpaid. Market has been set. Guys that will be on the table for him will be Towns, LaVine, maybe Trae Young. Trash in, trash out.

I don't think Jaylen Brown is worth a supermax.

I think saying addition by subtraction with him is pretty nuts. He's extremely flawed. He has some terrible, terrible moments defensively and ball-handling wise. I think he is overrated. But addition by subtraction is crazy talk to me. Like banana-land ****.

Like I'll break this down for the fans who want Jaylen Brown gone right now: De'Andre Hunter is the best player you will realistically get. Ask yourself, why would Chicago trade LaVine on a long-term deal for Jaylen? Why would the Hawks trade Trae for him? MAYBE KAT but he's on a supermax too, and the only reason they'd do that is his fit with Rudy stinks. So probably Hunter. If you think trading Jaylen for Hunter makes this team better, I have a bridge to sell you.

IF you sign Jaylen and trade him next summer: you're right, teams gotta match salary. Maybe you flip Jaylen/KP and every pick you have for Luka. Or Embiid. Maybe you trade Jaylen for TWO role players like De'Andre Hunter, not just one.

If you don't like Jaylen Brown, that's fine. But on asset management purposes, trading him now is a disaster. There's no other way to put it.

If you think trading De'Andre Hunter for Jaylen Brown makes the Celtics a better team, be my guest. It's delusional, but be my guest.

I think the disconnect is where people value Jaylen. Some believe Jaylen on a supermax will bring back two high end roleplayers or Luka. Some believe he won't.
I believe he will bring back bad contracts and some late firsts or second round picks. So for me, the trade off you propose in your scenario would actually end up being: 4 years of Hunter plus cap flexibility vs. 1 year of Jaylen then deadweight plus bad picks which you may flip for some old roleplayers.

[darrendaye]

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Did we sign him to something?

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Might be in jeopardy with the team's recent "keep it in your pants" policy.

[greg4012]

https://nbaanalysis.net/2023/07/13/nba-trade-rumors-new-york-knicks-boston-celtics-jaylen-brown-jalen-brunson-julius-randle-mitchell-robinson-news/

Zach Buckley of Bleacher Report is proposing the following three-team trade involving the Celtics, Knicks and Portland Trail Blazers. The deal would put an end to the Damian Lillard trade saga by sending him to Boston, instead of the Miami Heat.

Jaylen Brown to the Knicks; Damian Lillard and a 2024 first-round pick (top-12 protected, from NYK via WAS) to the Boston Celtics; RJ Barrett, Malcolm Brogdon, Quentin Grimes, Jericho Sims, a 2026 first-round pick (from NYK), a 2028 first-round pick (from NYK) and a 2027 first-round pick swap (from BOS) to the Portland Trail Blazers

Brown is eligible to sign a designated veteran extension with the Celtics this summer. The star swingman averaged 26.6 points, 6.9 rebounds and 3.5 assists last season for Boston. Brown has one year left on his contract. He will make $28.5 million next season and hit unrestricted free agency in the summer of 2024 if the Celtics don’t sign him to an extension.

Am I wrong to want a smidge more?

Perhaps we take sims and grimes? Maybe Keon Johnson from portland too?

Dame/pritch/banton
White/grimes/johnson
Tatum/walsh/hauser
Porzingas/horford/brisset
Timelord/sims/kornet

I think what’s wrong is to think that the Blazers would be content with 2 FRPs and Barrett as their return. Might as well just take the Heat’s lowball offer in that case

[BK_2020]

https://nbaanalysis.net/2023/07/13/nba-trade-rumors-new-york-knicks-boston-celtics-jaylen-brown-jalen-brunson-julius-randle-mitchell-robinson-news/

Zach Buckley of Bleacher Report is proposing the following three-team trade involving the Celtics, Knicks and Portland Trail Blazers. The deal would put an end to the Damian Lillard trade saga by sending him to Boston, instead of the Miami Heat.

Jaylen Brown to the Knicks; Damian Lillard and a 2024 first-round pick (top-12 protected, from NYK via WAS) to the Boston Celtics; RJ Barrett, Malcolm Brogdon, Quentin Grimes, Jericho Sims, a 2026 first-round pick (from NYK), a 2028 first-round pick (from NYK) and a 2027 first-round pick swap (from BOS) to the Portland Trail Blazers

Brown is eligible to sign a designated veteran extension with the Celtics this summer. The star swingman averaged 26.6 points, 6.9 rebounds and 3.5 assists last season for Boston. Brown has one year left on his contract. He will make $28.5 million next season and hit unrestricted free agency in the summer of 2024 if the Celtics don’t sign him to an extension.

Am I wrong to want a smidge more?

Perhaps we take sims and grimes? Maybe Keon Johnson from portland too?

Dame/pritch/banton
White/grimes/johnson
Tatum/walsh/hauser
Porzingas/horford/brisset
Timelord/sims/kornet

I think what’s wrong is to think that the Blazers would be content with 2 FRPs and Barrett as their return. Might as well just take the Heat’s lowball offer in that case

Maybe we add the 5 SRPs Brad picked up.

[greg4012]

Am I wrong to want a smidge more?

Perhaps we take sims and grimes? Maybe Keon Johnson from portland too?

Dame/pritch/banton
White/grimes/johnson
Tatum/walsh/hauser
Porzingas/horford/brisset
Timelord/sims/kornet

I think what’s wrong is to think that the Blazers would be content with 2 FRPs and Barrett as their return. Might as well just take the Heat’s lowball offer in that case

Maybe we add the 5 SRPs Brad picked up.

Ah yes…the Jae Crowder package. Idk if that’s really a needle mover

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

Hopefully they'll sign Brown soon,
so our lives can be complete once more...

[zoyathedestroya]

After the Miami scrubs beat us in the ECF, we signed our own Scrubb!

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[darrendaye]

After the Miami scrubs beat us in the ECF, we signed our own Scrubb!

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Brogdon better watch his back!