Trade Landscape/Trade Ideas

[BRUNiNHO91]

I have a feeling Ainge will be in on Asik. Houston papers are saying that they are hearing a 3 team deal and Houston is just waiting to see if they get a better deal. Who knows but this has Ainge written all over it. Celtics have draft picks and expiring contracts to get in the middle of a 3 team deal.

Just my opinion.

Can see it being Philly, Boston and Houston, with Bogans going to Philly to clear some payroll....

Makes the most sense as of right now. But the tricky part is what would Philly get? What are they even looking for? Picks?Expirings?Young talent? Do they want to part ways with Hawes, Turner or Young?

Asik to Boston, Motejiunas, Humphries and the Clips 1st to the Sixers, Spencer Hawes and Courtney Lee to the Rockets? Or Brandon Bass and Evan Turner? Thaddeus Young and filler? All three deals work on the checker..would that be fair to all three teams? Houston can send Ronnie Brewer or Aaron Brooks our way if they feel they are taking too much salary? I think it's fair on the part of the Celtics and Rockets. Philly is the question mark. But there are a lot of options to be explored between the 3 teams.

[CelticFaninLBC]

I have a feeling Ainge will be in on Asik. Houston papers are saying that they are hearing a 3 team deal and Houston is just waiting to see if they get a better deal. Who knows but this has Ainge written all over it. Celtics have draft picks and expiring contracts to get in the middle of a 3 team deal.

Just my opinion.

Can see it being Philly, Boston and Houston, with Bogans going to Philly to clear some payroll....

Makes the most sense as of right now. But the tricky part is what would Philly get? What are they even looking for? Picks?Expirings?Young talent? Do they want to part ways with Hawes, Turner or Young?

Asik to Boston, Motejiunas, Humphries and the Clips 1st to the Sixers, Spencer Hawes and Courtney Lee to the Rockets? Or Brandon Bass and Evan Turner? Thaddeus Young and filler? All three deals work on the checker..would that be fair to all three teams? Houston can send Ronnie Brewer or Aaron Brooks our way if they feel they are taking too much salary? I think it's fair on the part of the Celtics and Rockets. Philly is the question mark. But there are a lot of options to be explored between the 3 teams.

I'm guessing a pick or two and to clear Young's contract, but yes lots of options. Who knows.. Maybe Boston ends up with Asik & Evan Turner???

[BRUNiNHO91]

I think Turner makes more sense for the Rockets and Danny wouldn't want another guard unless Lee was added to the mix, but I wouldn't rule anything out. Hell maybe Asik goes to Philly and Boston comes out with Hawes and the pick goes to Houston. There are really so many variables at hand.


FWIW Green, Asik and Rondo are all 27 years old. They would be our top 3 guns and we would have all three guys pretty much entering the prime stages of their careers together. Sounds like something Danny Ainge would have in mind. lol

[CelticFaninLBC]

I think Turner makes more sense for the Rockets and Danny wouldn't want another guard unless Lee was added to the mix, but I wouldn't rule anything out. Hell maybe Asik goes to Philly and Boston comes out with Hawes and the pick goes to Houston. There are really so many variables at hand.


FWIW Green, Asik and Rondo are all 27 years old. They would be our top 3 guns and we would have all three guys pretty much entering the prime stages of their careers together. Sounds like something Danny Ainge would have in mind. lol

Doesn't Turner mostly play SF? I have no idea what Ainge thinks of Turner...

[sully00]

One way to look at this is this is what we know

1. HOU is going to deal Omer Asik and his 8.37 mil
2. PHI is looking to deal Evan Turner and Spencer Hawes expiring contracts.
3. BOS is shopping Gerald Wallace, Courtney Lee, and Kris Humphries and you would assume Kieth Bogans.

Now PHI may be struggling to get a return for Turner and Hawes as much as HOU is for Asik and that is why they are partners. So if Boston is offering expiring contracts and a draft pick for Asik and HOU is willing to take Turner and Hawes you may have a deal with Hump and Bogans going to PHI.

[GreenMachine]

I doubt that the reason Philly is interested is just to make up that 7 or 8 million. They could just give us a 2nd for Hump and be done with it. I am sure DA wants more for Hump... but at the end of the day (deadline day) if nothing better comes up... why not? And Hump is just an example... they will have TONS of opportunities to take on salary...

But perhaps not one better than this.

PHI trades Thadeus Young to HOU
HOU trades Omer Asik to Boston
BOS trades Kris Humphries and 1st round pick to PHI

The best part of a deal like this is that Boston can use its TPE from the Piece trade to acquire Asik and create a new 12 mil TPE for Hump.

Why would Philly do that?

[tfmiii]

I doubt that the reason Philly is interested is just to make up that 7 or 8 million. They could just give us a 2nd for Hump and be done with it. I am sure DA wants more for Hump... but at the end of the day (deadline day) if nothing better comes up... why not? And Hump is just an example... they will have TONS of opportunities to take on salary...

But perhaps not one better than this.

PHI trades Thadeus Young to HOU
HOU trades Omer Asik to Boston
BOS trades Kris Humphries and 1st round pick to PHI

The best part of a deal like this is that Boston can use its TPE from the Piece trade to acquire Asik and create a new 12 mil TPE for Hump.

Why would Philly do that?

for the pick

[GreenMachine]

One way to look at this is this is what we know

1. HOU is going to deal Omer Asik and his 8.37 mil
2. PHI is looking to deal Evan Turner and Spencer Hawes expiring contracts.
3. BOS is shopping Gerald Wallace, Courtney Lee, and Kris Humphries and you would assume Kieth Bogans.

Now PHI may be struggling to get a return for Turner and Hawes as much as HOU is for Asik and that is why they are partners. So if Boston is offering expiring contracts and a draft pick for Asik and HOU is willing to take Turner and Hawes you may have a deal with Hump and Bogans going to PHI.

This one seems more likely.

[GreenMachine]

But perhaps not one better than this.

PHI trades Thadeus Young to HOU
HOU trades Omer Asik to Boston
BOS trades Kris Humphries and 1st round pick to PHI

The best part of a deal like this is that Boston can use its TPE from the Piece trade to acquire Asik and create a new 12 mil TPE for Hump.

Why would Philly do that?

for the pick

It's not like they are in salary hell. They can wait it out and get something better for Thad. Of course... no one has said what pick... so maybe if there was reverse protection, guaranteeing them of a top 20 pick (at worst)... but still I would think they could do better...

[winsomme2]

Houston gets:

Jeff Green
Brandon Bass
future 1st


Boston gets:

Omer Asik
Chandler Parsons

[BakersDozen]

Houston wants to extend Parsons not trade him.

[winsomme2]

I'm sure they do, but Green and Parsons are fairly comparable players and this trade also gets them a reliable power forward and the first that they were looking for in an Asik trade.

For the Cs, it gets them a lot of salary flexibility and a rim protector...

Talent-wise, Parsons and Green is fairly lateral for both teams. I think Green is the better player but Parsons is cheaper... With Houston in win-now mode, they might want better player. With Cs in rebuild-mode, they might want the salary flexibility.

[LobCityRondo2KG]

Believe one of the main recruiters of Howard was Parsons.. Apparently they are very close.. I dont think Houston would be looking to move him at all tbh

[ddb]

Believe one of the main recruiters of Howard was Parsons.. Apparently they are very close.. I dont think Houston would be looking to move him at all tbh

Ainge and Morey both love Parsons. This dates back to when he was flying under the radar at Florida. So Morey isn't dealing Parsons. Parsons is the prototypical 3 pt shooting 3rd or 4th option that you want on a contender. He's staying put.

[24istheLAW]

Believe one of the main recruiters of Howard was Parsons.. Apparently they are very close.. I dont think Houston would be looking to move him at all tbh

Ainge and Morey both love Parsons. This dates back to when he was flying under the radar at Florida. So Morey isn't dealing Parsons. Parsons is the prototypical 3 pt shooting 3rd or 4th option that you want on a contender. He's staying put.

Surely if Ainge loved the guy in Florida, he'd have done something about it.

Anyway, regarding the 3-pt shooting, Jeff has been shooting the 3 over 40% overall since he came back from heart surgery.

Green (2012): .385
Parsons (2012): .385

Green (2013): .413
Parsons (2013): .398

So unless there is a considerable difference in the "quality" of the players' respective 3-pt range (I suspect Parsons is better at non-corner 3s which is arguably a more valuable skillset) you can say Green is just as equipped for a 3 point shooting role.

Morey is the type to over-value draft picks, so Parsons/Asik for Green/Bass gets done if and only if you sweeten it with a glob of 1st rounders. So between the draft picks involved, and the money for Asik and Parsons (needs an extension), you are committing yourself to the guys you have pretty much.

So what it comes down to is this - do you see Rondo/Bradley(?)/Parsons/Sullinger/Asik the foundation for the next 5 years? Or would you rather be "worse" and maintain flexibility to add draft picks and free agents? If I had the option to fork over 2 1st rounders to get that deal done I think I'd do it. But I can see why one would hesitate to make that kind of commitment to two guys who are borderline "banana players" in Parsons and Asik.

[ddb]

Believe one of the main recruiters of Howard was Parsons.. Apparently they are very close.. I dont think Houston would be looking to move him at all tbh

Ainge and Morey both love Parsons. This dates back to when he was flying under the radar at Florida. So Morey isn't dealing Parsons. Parsons is the prototypical 3 pt shooting 3rd or 4th option that you want on a contender. He's staying put.

Surely if Ainge loved the guy in Florida, he'd have done something about it.

Anyway, regarding the 3-pt shooting, Jeff has been shooting the 3 over 40% overall since he came back from heart surgery.

Green (2012): .385
Parsons (2012): .385

Green (2013): .413
Parsons (2013): .398

So unless there is a considerable difference in the "quality" of the players' respective 3-pt range (I suspect Parsons is better at non-corner 3s which is arguably a more valuable skillset) you can say Green is just as equipped for a 3 point shooting role.

Morey is the type to over-value draft picks, so Parsons/Asik for Green/Bass gets done if and only if you sweeten it with a glob of 1st rounders. So between the draft picks involved, and the money for Asik and Parsons (needs an extension), you are committing yourself to the guys you have pretty much.

So what it comes down to is this - do you see Rondo/Bradley(?)/Parsons/Sullinger/Asik the foundation for the next 5 years? Or would you rather be "worse" and maintain flexibility to add draft picks and free agents? If I had the option to fork over 2 1st rounders to get that deal done I think I'd do it. But I can see why one would hesitate to make that kind of commitment to two guys who are borderline "banana players" in Parsons and Asik.

Ainge did want to draft him. Parsons went before Boston picked in 2nd round. Houston took him 38th Boston picked 55th. Ainge made an attempt to trade up in the 2nd round for Parsons. And even though in a re-draft Parsons is a sure fire lottery pick from the 2011 draft, at the time he wasn't projected as a 1st rounder.

[ddb]

^^^^ Parsons and Austin Rivers know each other well. Doc liked Parsons, Ainge scouted him closely. Celts would have taken him if he was available at #55. When they saw him creeping up draft boards they attempted at trading up for him.

[ddb]

So it wouldn't surprise me if Ainge was still after him. However, there's a very slim shot Morey is going to trade the guy. He's trading Asik. And he might be looking to deal Lin as well. That's it.

if Ainge can pull off an Asik deal without giving up Green then I'm all for it. I love the 3-way potential between Houston, Boston and Philly. The Philly situation could really help the Celtics here.

The Sacto rumor. Now that drives me a little bonkers. not doing that deal unless it involved Sacto unprotected 2014 and 2016 picks + Thomas and McLemore. AND they need to take Gerald Wallace back too

[24istheLAW]

Ainge did want to draft him. Parsons went before Boston picked in 2nd round. Houston took him 38th Boston picked 55th. Ainge made an attempt to trade up in the 2nd round for Parsons. And even though in a re-draft Parsons is a sure fire lottery pick from the 2011 draft, at the time he wasn't projected as a 1st rounder.

Did not know that. Bummer.

[24istheLAW]

So it wouldn't surprise me if Ainge was still after him. However, there's a very slim shot Morey is going to trade the guy. He's trading Asik. And he might be looking to deal Lin as well. That's it.

if Ainge can pull off an Asik deal without giving up Green then I'm all for it. I love the 3-way potential between Houston, Boston and Philly. The Philly situation could really help the Celtics here.

The Sacto rumor. Now that drives me a little bonkers. not doing that deal unless it involved Sacto unprotected 2014 and 2016 picks + Thomas and McLemore. AND they need to take Gerald Wallace back too

Yeah, I really want to keep Rondo around.

Even if it doesn't yield titles upon titles, this is entertainment at the end of the day. And I can't imagine Rondo-Stevens being anything other than really F-ing entertaining.