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Post#921 » by pac213up » Tue Dec 30, 2014 2:29 pm

JohnB wrote:If there is a finger to be pointed, it's at rondo. Why couldn't he just sign that extension? I know he probably doesn't make financial decisions based on what team I like, but it still hurts. I rank rondo a lot higher than most everyone here.


Sign an extension to take less money for a team going nowhere fast. You are asking why he would not do this?
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Post#922 » by rev » Tue Dec 30, 2014 2:31 pm

I've watched most of the Mavs games since the trade. It's been awesome, i mean he's actually attacking the basket again for lay-ups or kicking it out to shooters just like he used to. And last game defensively omg, he was on Westbrook the whole game, started harashing him full court and shut him down in the last minutes of the game. He basically denied the ball for Westbrook, he wasn't able to get the ball at all. At somepoint i thought he was never going to do this again like he used to, but it's great to see what a winning situation can do for him and how it motivates him.
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Post#923 » by GuyClinch » Tue Dec 30, 2014 11:38 pm

If there is a finger to be pointed, it's at rondo. Why couldn't he just sign that extension? I know he probably doesn't make financial decisions based on what team I like, but it still hurts. I rank rondo a lot higher than most everyone here.


Rondo pouted his way off the Celtics - you don't have to be some gifted observer to see that. Rather then play awesome and hope to bring a lot of the value to the Celtics. He played as poor as he could - so we would feel compelled to dump him. It worked. What's laughable is the 'Celtic fans' that support him in this endeavor and are mad at Ainge for trading him..

Rondo is just not a leader - when the going gets tough - he goes somewhere else. This is the "Sheed" mentality - that a lot of NBA players have. They can bring it - when they feel like it. But only if the situation is right for them.. You build around guys with a Warriors mentality. Guys who refuse to back down and bring their A game every single night. Some of the best basketball for Pierce came on the worst teams - same with Jordan. That 63 point game vs. the Celtics was awesome and his team sucked and was entirely hopeless. He didn't care he was a warrior.
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Post#924 » by StojkoVrankovic » Wed Dec 31, 2014 12:40 am

GuyClinch wrote:
If there is a finger to be pointed, it's at rondo. Why couldn't he just sign that extension? I know he probably doesn't make financial decisions based on what team I like, but it still hurts. I rank rondo a lot higher than most everyone here.


Rondo pouted his way off the Celtics - you don't have to be some gifted observer to see that. Rather then play awesome and hope to bring a lot of the value to the Celtics. He played as poor as he could - so we would feel compelled to dump him. It worked. What's laughable is the 'Celtic fans' that support him in this endeavor and are mad at Ainge for trading him..

Rondo is just not a leader - when the going gets tough - he goes somewhere else. This is the "Sheed" mentality - that a lot of NBA players have. They can bring it - when they feel like it. But only if the situation is right for them.. You build around guys with a Warriors mentality. Guys who refuse to back down and bring their A game every single night. Some of the best basketball for Pierce came on the worst teams - same with Jordan. That 63 point game vs. the Celtics was awesome and his team sucked and was entirely hopeless. He didn't care he was a warrior.

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If there is a finger to be pointed, it's at rondo. Why couldn't he just sign that extension? I know he probably doesn't make financial decisions based on what team I like, but it still hurts. I rank rondo a lot higher than most everyone here.


Rondo pouted his way off the Celtics - you don't have to be some gifted observer to see that. Rather then play awesome and hope to bring a lot of the value to the Celtics. He played as poor as he could - so we would feel compelled to dump him. It worked. What's laughable is the 'Celtic fans' that support him in this endeavor and are mad at Ainge for trading him..

Rondo is just not a leader - when the going gets tough - he goes somewhere else. This is the "Sheed" mentality - that a lot of NBA players have. They can bring it - when they feel like it. But only if the situation is right for them.. You build around guys with a Warriors mentality. Guys who refuse to back down and bring their A game every single night. Some of the best basketball for Pierce came on the worst teams - same with Jordan. That 63 point game vs. the Celtics was awesome and his team sucked and was entirely hopeless. He didn't care he was a warrior.


This.

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Re: Rajon Rondo Traded To The Mavericks. 

Post#926 » by canman1971 » Wed Dec 31, 2014 1:18 am

GuyClinch wrote:
If there is a finger to be pointed, it's at rondo. Why couldn't he just sign that extension? I know he probably doesn't make financial decisions based on what team I like, but it still hurts. I rank rondo a lot higher than most everyone here.


Rondo pouted his way off the Celtics - you don't have to be some gifted observer to see that. Rather then play awesome and hope to bring a lot of the value to the Celtics. He played as poor as he could - so we would feel compelled to dump him. It worked. What's laughable is the 'Celtic fans' that support him in this endeavor and are mad at Ainge for trading him..

Rondo is just not a leader - when the going gets tough - he goes somewhere else. This is the "Sheed" mentality - that a lot of NBA players have. They can bring it - when they feel like it. But only if the situation is right for them.. You build around guys with a Warriors mentality. Guys who refuse to back down and bring their A game every single night. Some of the best basketball for Pierce came on the worst teams - same with Jordan. That 63 point game vs. the Celtics was awesome and his team sucked and was entirely hopeless. He didn't care he was a warrior.



Correct. I just never got this mentality. Man, I always brought it for a friggin pickup game with a bunch of hacks and old men, never mind against the best in the world. I come from the Larry Bird mentality. Never let anyone win. I don't care if they are a 10 year old kid. You can keep it close for a bit to boost morale, but in the end, you win.
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Post#927 » by BLACKFEET 2010 » Wed Dec 31, 2014 3:21 am

Knick fan here. I come in peace.
Question. How have the guys from Dallas been for you since the trade, particularly Wright?
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Post#928 » by Banks2Pierce » Wed Dec 31, 2014 3:28 am

BLACKFEET 2010 wrote:Knick fan here. I come in peace.
Question. How have the guys from Dallas been for you since the trade, particularly Wright?


Their minutes get jerked around too much to give an honest assessment.

I didn't want to get into the "Rondo wasn't trying that hard here" angle, but taking 4 or 5 charges in the 2 games right after the trade after not doing that for the last 20 games for the Celtics looks a little sketchy. Attacking the rim or not could maybe be attributed to personnel and scheme, but not the defensive stuff.
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Post#929 » by ILC » Wed Dec 31, 2014 4:21 am

LarryBirdsFingr wrote:Redemption. Water into wine....rondo is Jesus
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Post#930 » by JohnB » Wed Dec 31, 2014 6:02 am

pac213up wrote:
JohnB wrote:If there is a finger to be pointed, it's at rondo. Why couldn't he just sign that extension? I know he probably doesn't make financial decisions based on what team I like, but it still hurts. I rank rondo a lot higher than most everyone here.


Sign an extension to take less money for a team going nowhere fast. You are asking why he would not do this?

No, wasn't asking that.
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Post#931 » by JohnB » Wed Dec 31, 2014 6:16 am

We don't really have to paint Rondo in a bad light just because we lost him. I guess I am not a "gifted observer" because I've watched all the games and didn't really see Rondo pouting. losing is frustrating and he's obviously playing with more energy in Dallas. But Rondo never demanded a trade. He never said anything negative to the media. He never did a lot of the things you see other players do on the way out (looking at you mr walker)

I don't think we need to convince ourselves that he is not a really great talent to ease the pain. We also don't have to paint him as a villain. I can't believe that he was sitting around a year ago and said to himself, "I know, I'll just play bad, tank my own value so I can get traded to a good team." Why would anyone train all their life to play pro ball just to do that? Why would anyone purposely reduce their next payday like this?

All I meant with my post before is that the reason Rondo isn't here, one way or another, is because he doesn't want to. And it really hurts when your favorite team trades your favorite player.
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Post#932 » by BLACKFEET 2010 » Wed Dec 31, 2014 6:54 am

Outside honest observation here:
You guys lost a helluva player BUT Marcus Smart is gonna be a really good one in his own unique right. I haven't seen a lot of Rajon this year but it probably was the right move at the right time. And maybe it's just because I'm not seeing him up close but I didn't hear much of a peep about the guy seriously wanting out up until the week leading up to the trade. He didn't hold your franchise hostage. Considering my team's different machinations of free agent negotiation, trade chatter and other nonsensical distractions, I applaud the kid for not making a circus of it.
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Post#933 » by Captain_Caveman » Wed Dec 31, 2014 6:58 am

BLACKFEET 2010 wrote:Outside honest observation here:
You guys lost a helluva player BUT Marcus Smart is gonna be a really good one in his own unique right. I haven't seen a lot of Rajon this year but it probably was the right move at the right time. And maybe it's just because I'm not seeing him up close but I didn't hear much of a peep about the guy seriously waiting out up until the week leading up to the trade. He didn't hold your franchise hostage. Considering my team's different machinations of free agent negotiation, trade chatter and other nonsensical distractions, I applaud the kid for not making a circus of it.


Great point. Didn't see the guy showing up to baseball games and hanging with pro athletes in other cities while still under contract for us this summer, lol.
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Post#934 » by Fencer reregistered » Wed Dec 31, 2014 9:21 am

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GuyClinch wrote:
If there is a finger to be pointed, it's at rondo. Why couldn't he just sign that extension? I know he probably doesn't make financial decisions based on what team I like, but it still hurts. I rank rondo a lot higher than most everyone here.


Rondo pouted his way off the Celtics - you don't have to be some gifted observer to see that. Rather then play awesome and hope to bring a lot of the value to the Celtics. He played as poor as he could - so we would feel compelled to dump him. It worked. What's laughable is the 'Celtic fans' that support him in this endeavor and are mad at Ainge for trading him..

Rondo is just not a leader - when the going gets tough - he goes somewhere else. This is the "Sheed" mentality - that a lot of NBA players have. They can bring it - when they feel like it. But only if the situation is right for them.. You build around guys with a Warriors mentality. Guys who refuse to back down and bring their A game every single night. Some of the best basketball for Pierce came on the worst teams - same with Jordan. That 63 point game vs. the Celtics was awesome and his team sucked and was entirely hopeless. He didn't care he was a warrior.

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Yes there is; it's way overstated. Accuse Rondo of inconsistent effort, and there's a lot of evidence on your side. But accuse him of deliberately sabotaging the team, and you're not making sense.
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Post#935 » by pac213up » Wed Dec 31, 2014 12:11 pm

GuyClinch wrote:
If there is a finger to be pointed, it's at rondo. Why couldn't he just sign that extension? I know he probably doesn't make financial decisions based on what team I like, but it still hurts. I rank rondo a lot higher than most everyone here.


Rondo pouted his way off the Celtics - you don't have to be some gifted observer to see that. Rather then play awesome and hope to bring a lot of the value to the Celtics. He played as poor as he could - so we would feel compelled to dump him. It worked. What's laughable is the 'Celtic fans' that support him in this endeavor and are mad at Ainge for trading him..

Rondo is just not a leader - when the going gets tough - he goes somewhere else. This is the "Sheed" mentality - that a lot of NBA players have. They can bring it - when they feel like it. But only if the situation is right for them.. You build around guys with a Warriors mentality. Guys who refuse to back down and bring their A game every single night. Some of the best basketball for Pierce came on the worst teams - same with Jordan. That 63 point game vs. the Celtics was awesome and his team sucked and was entirely hopeless. He didn't care he was a warrior.


Rondo was certainly inconsistent but you are not one of the best rebounding guards for lack of effort. Led the league in assists and was one of the top 5 defensive PG's this season. The only thing he was not doing enough of was shooting and scoring the ball, which has for the most part always been the knock on him.

Rondo was not moved because he was pouting. He was moved because Ainge was not able to execute his Plan A. No one wanted his picks or young talent for a player to put next to Rondo.....and that was not going to change anytime soon. Ainge knew it as did Rondo. This was Ainge's last chance to get anything for him. The haul was not going to improve all that much even if Rondo was putting in points as he is a Free Agent and would dictate what team he ended up with him if the Celtics wanted anything at all.
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Post#936 » by JohnB » Wed Dec 31, 2014 12:49 pm

pac213up wrote:
JohnB wrote:If there is a finger to be pointed, it's at rondo. Why couldn't he just sign that extension? I know he probably doesn't make financial decisions based on what team I like, but it still hurts. I rank rondo a lot higher than most everyone here.


Sign an extension to take less money for a team going nowhere fast. You are asking why he would not do this?

I'm saying the opposite. I'm saying I understand it even if I don't like it.
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Post#937 » by CeltsfanSinceBirth » Fri Jan 2, 2015 7:49 pm

Uh......not too sure how I feel about this.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24931283/mavericks-rajon-rondo-i-havent-played-defense-in-a-couple-of-years

"I haven't played defense in a couple of years," Rondo said, via Masslive.com's Jay King. "I've been able to hide it a lot with Avery Bradley on the ball. He's helped me out, the young guy. But here they expect me to play defense. And in the West, if you don't play defense you'll get embarrassed every night at the point guard position. I took it as a challenge [for] myself. It's not just me. It's my teammates. Our communication is getting a lot better and our coverages are getting better. So it's the whole team concept, it's not just me. Obviously people are going to look at the stats and say, 'Since Rondo's came there, they're down seven or eight points or whatever defensively.' But we still have a lot of room to improve and I believe we'll still get better defensively."


Ok. Now, I'm sure that even if Rondo played all out on defense, the team would still probably stink. HOWEVER, if you're the Celtics captain, you're supposed to lead out there and leave it all on the floor. This is disappointing. We all knew his defense had become overrated over the past few seasons, but to hear him actually admit that he let Avery do all the heavy work on that end of the floor is ....it's just weak.
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Post#938 » by ryaningf » Fri Jan 2, 2015 8:07 pm

Banks2Pierce wrote:
BLACKFEET 2010 wrote:Knick fan here. I come in peace.
Question. How have the guys from Dallas been for you since the trade, particularly Wright?


Their minutes get jerked around too much to give an honest assessment.

I didn't want to get into the "Rondo wasn't trying that hard here" angle, but taking 4 or 5 charges in the 2 games right after the trade after not doing that for the last 20 games for the Celtics looks a little sketchy. Attacking the rim or not could maybe be attributed to personnel and scheme, but not the defensive stuff.


He had 9 charges taken with the Celtics this season.
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Post#939 » by LarryBirdsFingr » Fri Jan 2, 2015 8:10 pm

ryaningf wrote:
Banks2Pierce wrote:
BLACKFEET 2010 wrote:Knick fan here. I come in peace.
Question. How have the guys from Dallas been for you since the trade, particularly Wright?


Their minutes get jerked around too much to give an honest assessment.

I didn't want to get into the "Rondo wasn't trying that hard here" angle, but taking 4 or 5 charges in the 2 games right after the trade after not doing that for the last 20 games for the Celtics looks a little sketchy. Attacking the rim or not could maybe be attributed to personnel and scheme, but not the defensive stuff.


He had 9 charges taken with the Celtics this season.

Post injury contract year/3 year regression of effort on defense.
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Post#940 » by ryaningf » Fri Jan 2, 2015 8:11 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:Uh......not too sure how I feel about this.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24931283/mavericks-rajon-rondo-i-havent-played-defense-in-a-couple-of-years

"I haven't played defense in a couple of years," Rondo said, via Masslive.com's Jay King. "I've been able to hide it a lot with Avery Bradley on the ball. He's helped me out, the young guy. But here they expect me to play defense. And in the West, if you don't play defense you'll get embarrassed every night at the point guard position. I took it as a challenge [for] myself. It's not just me. It's my teammates. Our communication is getting a lot better and our coverages are getting better. So it's the whole team concept, it's not just me. Obviously people are going to look at the stats and say, 'Since Rondo's came there, they're down seven or eight points or whatever defensively.' But we still have a lot of room to improve and I believe we'll still get better defensively."


Ok. Now, I'm sure that even if Rondo played all out on defense, the team would still probably stink. HOWEVER, if you're the Celtics captain, you're supposed to lead out there and leave it all on the floor. This is disappointing. We all knew his defense had become overrated over the past few seasons, but to hear him actually admit that he let Avery do all the heavy work on that end of the floor is ....it's just weak.


He's said that before. Avery's presence allowed him to take the least challenging guard on a nightly basis.

What's changed is that he's now his team's Avery.
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