Brooklyn Nets 2016-17 season Pick Watch Thread

[jirrit]

Nets fans posting here after every win is like Celtics fans posting on Nets board after every loss. It shows a lack of class. Even though most of these posts are fine, there's no point of them being here.

There's an obvious conflict of interest here, and timing of these posts reveals the intent behind them. To troll the fanbase.

If you're a Nets fan, be happy that King era is over, enjoy your team but celebrating the fact that you might send 8th instead of 3rd pick is childish. Understandable, but childish.

You have to look at it from our perspective. You guys have a thread, and have had a thread for 3 years now to enjoy watching us fail. Especially when the title of the thread is a direct jab at us, of course we are going to feel insulted. Of course we are poking fun at the fact that you guys want to see us lose every game, which is something we aren't doing.

Our teams basketball reference page is literally sponsored by one of the members of your forum just to make fun of us. The Celtics board has literally gone out of their way to make fun of the nets. And you have to understand that net fans are going to jump at the chance to fire back.

What you might not know is that even though a few net fans have been coming over here to stir the pot, every time this thread gets brought up on the Nets forum, it gets met with a bunch of replies from long time nets posters to not troll the thread.

My suggestion: change the name of the thread, or delete it completely. All you need is a "2017 Draft thread" where you can discuss prospects you would like to consider. Once you make the thread more about enjoying the Nets failure instead of the actual purpose the thread should be serving, you're intentionally trying troll the net fans.

I think nets fans have to do a better job of understanding why you guys would be so fascinated with our Pick, and why you would like to see us fail. But at the same time, some Celtic fans don't have to be such dicks about it. I'm not trying to troll, I'm just trying to be blunt with you. This is why net fans and Celtic fans can't get along. And net fans are just going to keep reacting the way they are until something is done about it.

So if you have a pick from let's say the Lakers, you cannot have a thread on your own forum to watch/joke/talk about that pick, hoping it becomes the #1 pick? I'm not talking about members of ours coming to your board trolling you guys, that's totally not done. But the fact we here laugh/watch/talk about the Nets in general/our future picks on our own forums is totally no problem at all and I can't understand why you'd make a problem of that. It's normal, it's being human, it's just how it is.

[rickrolled]

Nets fans baiting Celtics fans, dont feed the trolls.

[klemen4]

I think only Philly will have under 20 wins...than maybe two teams in 20-30 range...and a big group with 30-35 wins.

If we look bottom teams right now:
Nop - Davis, Holliday, Evans
Min - Kat, Wiggins, Lavigne+coach Thibodeu
Pho - bledsoe, Booker, knight + Veterans
Dal - veteran team who should make playoffs
Was - wall, beal, should be a lot better
Orl - a lot of talent

I really only see Sacramento if Cousins is traded, Miami because Riley would go tank mode...and Pelicans if Davis gets injured the only teams being worst than brooklyn.

So also BRooklyn getting 30 wins still means they would be bottom 5 imo.

5 wins per month still puts them around 30.

Edit: ups i forgot about Lakers with their good starts, let's put them in phi, sac, mia, nop and brk group...that's 6 bottom teams.

[Prokorov]

Nets fans posting here after every win is like Celtics fans posting on Nets board after every loss. It shows a lack of class. Even though most of these posts are fine, there's no point of them being here.

There's an obvious conflict of interest here, and timing of these posts reveals the intent behind them. To troll the fanbase.

If you're a Nets fan, be happy that King era is over, enjoy your team but celebrating the fact that you might send 8th instead of 3rd pick is childish. Understandable, but childish.

Please dont lump me in with those who come here to troll. Ive posted in this thread when you had it last year, i posted in the preseason, and ive posted after losses. ive never trolled and have a pretty unbiased opinion and having lived in somerville since '98 and having been a net fan since birth i have a pretty good working knowledge of both clubs.

Also, there were ALOT of celtic trolls on our forum posting in our game threads last year until our mods went 0 tolerance. id suggest your mods employing similar here with those just here trolling. i know the lin fans can be rough they are on our forum as well.

[Prokorov]

Thread seems fine to me

Yet for some strange reason its been inviting Net fans over to troll your board.... Hmmm, this is a toughie.

If we had another teams pick we would have a thread tracking their progress and be openly rooting against them as well. so i dont see an issue there.

obviously for net fans is going to be somewhat enjoyable to see the reaction in this thread after nets wins. but coming here and throwing it in their face on there board every win is just obnoxious. you can post here and contribute or just lurk without trolling (not you specifically)

[victorhe]

Nets fan/ Lin fan come here in peace. I believe most celtics fans are respectful, there are a few that get knee jerking reactions when they hear about Lin fans which to me is really racist which I don't really care about anymore after having to constantly being abused with my 6 years life at realm. Wish you guys do well except against the nets. I understand the intention for celtics for getting higher pick when nets not doing well, so that's cool. I got say though it's nothing wrong with having a friendly rival between the nets and the celtics and it could be fun tease in most of the time( just don't make it personal ). Good luck to your team this year.

[Prokorov]

Orl - a lot of talent

I dont know... maybe im off on them, but I just am not impressed by that roster. to me they have a lot of high picks who while not busts dont seem like guys i envision being impact players.

Gordon? a 10/5 guy in 30 minutes as a 3rd year top 5 pick?

Peyton is like a poor mans rondo.

herzoniga or whatever that dudes name is seems a few years away

fournier i like a ton but he isnt going to carry a team

Ibaka seems like he is on a decline where the age rumors are probably true,

Vucevic is like a younger lopez... and im not a big lopez guy.

to me you look at the high picks and think young talent but really i see alot of guys who i envision being career role players. Oladipo t me was their best player/biggest impact on winning and losing.

I also dont see an identity there. they dont play all that fast or slow, dont really scare you on offense. dont realyl scare you on defense and some of the parts are not the best fit.

Orlando was a 35 win team last year who you could argue traded its best player away. i dont think their struggles are over

[Prokorov]

Nets fan/ Lin fan come here in peace. I believe most celtics fans are respectful, there are a few that get knee jerking reactions when they hear about Lin fans which to me is really racist which I don't really care about anymore after having to constantly being abused with my 6 years life at realm. Wish you guys do well except against the nets. I understand the intention for celtics for getting higher pick when nets not doing well, so that's cool. I got say though it's nothing wrong with having a friendly rival between the nets and the celtics and it could be fun tease in most of the time( just don't make it personal ). Good luck to your team this year.

There is NOTHING racist about assuming lin fans are going to be obnoxious making isnane claims... since we have seen just that on like 4 idfferent boards as lin has jumped teams and EVERY single one of those boards talks horrible about lin fans. we are seeing it now on the nets board.

its not race thats the issue... its too many lin fans with god worship of the guy saying stuff like he has more impact on winning then harden and is in lilllard class.

lin fans... as a group(sorry the good ones need to get generalized) are the worst most intolerable group of posters real GM has seen since ive posted here

[victorhe]

Nets fan/ Lin fan come here in peace. I believe most celtics fans are respectful, there are a few that get knee jerking reactions when they hear about Lin fans which to me is really racist which I don't really care about anymore after having to constantly being abused with my 6 years life at realm. Wish you guys do well except against the nets. I understand the intention for celtics for getting higher pick when nets not doing well, so that's cool. I got say though it's nothing wrong with having a friendly rival between the nets and the celtics and it could be fun tease in most of the time( just don't make it personal ). Good luck to your team this year.

There is NOTHING racist about assuming lin fans are going to be obnoxious making isnane claims... since we have seen just that on like 4 idfferent boards as lin has jumped teams and EVERY single one of those boards talks horrible about lin fans. we are seeing it now on the nets board.

its not race thats the issue... its too many lin fans with god worship of the guy saying stuff like he has more impact on winning then harden and is in lilllard class.

lin fans... as a group(sorry the good ones need to get generalized) are the worst most intolerable group of posters real GM has seen since ive posted here

. Understand bro.

[celtxman]

nets win again behind good coaching, pace, threes, and effort. thats going to be the recipe all year... will it be 22-24 wins or 28-30 wins? hard to say with so much basketball to play. 4-5 could be 4-8 or 5-10 after the nets home game vs you guys. but even at 5-10 thats still a 27 win pace and with a team that plays hard and is well coached who could steal some late wins when tank commanders kick it into gear...

I dont think its out of the realm of possibility the nets close in on 30 wins, i dont think they are a lock bottom 3 team. id agree, talent wise probably worse or bottom 2. but coaching and effort go along way when you compare to the other bottom dwellers.

should be interesting. i rpedicted 24 wins but 29+ wouldnt be a huge surprise

If you looked back at my posts, I've never subscribed to the idea that the Nets could do absolutely nothing to improve their fate. As a result, many of the same Celtics fans who praise the organization for Brad Stevens, never consider that anyone else can do the same. While it is early, I would think that Net fans have to be delighted with Kenny Atkinson, and the franchise is likely in good hands between him and Marks.
I previously said the Nets would be over the Vegas odds and win as many as 32 games, but I also said at the end of the day I thought they would have the 2nd worst record. I think everything is still in play, but it is hard for me to think they will be in the bottom 3.
There will be ebb and flow to this thread. I see a couple of Nets posters (yourself excluded) and now a Lakers poster feeling their oats for now. That might be replaced with the Celtics "20 win" posters who are currently Missing in Action, waiting for a Net losing streak, and then the Nets/Lakers frontrunner posters will vanish. Either way though, it's hard to not be encouraged as a Nets fan.

[Froob]

Nets fan/ Lin fan come here in peace. I believe most celtics fans are respectful, there are a few that get knee jerking reactions when they hear about Lin fans which to me is really racist which I don't really care about anymore after having to constantly being abused with my 6 years life at realm. Wish you guys do well except against the nets. I understand the intention for celtics for getting higher pick when nets not doing well, so that's cool. I got say though it's nothing wrong with having a friendly rival between the nets and the celtics and it could be fun tease in most of the time( just don't make it personal ). Good luck to your team this year.

Eh, I dunno about racist but I used to hate Lin (and Tebow to for that matter) after all the media splash but, then I took a step back and found out he's a great dude. I really wish he was winning games for another team.

[Froob]

nets win again behind good coaching, pace, threes, and effort. thats going to be the recipe all year... will it be 22-24 wins or 28-30 wins? hard to say with so much basketball to play. 4-5 could be 4-8 or 5-10 after the nets home game vs you guys. but even at 5-10 thats still a 27 win pace and with a team that plays hard and is well coached who could steal some late wins when tank commanders kick it into gear...

I dont think its out of the realm of possibility the nets close in on 30 wins, i dont think they are a lock bottom 3 team. id agree, talent wise probably worse or bottom 2. but coaching and effort go along way when you compare to the other bottom dwellers.

should be interesting. i rpedicted 24 wins but 29+ wouldnt be a huge surprise

If you looked back at my posts, I've never subscribed to the idea that the Nets could do absolutely nothing to improve their fate. As a result, many of the same Celtics fans who praise the organization for Brad Stevens, never consider that anyone else can do the same. While it is early, I would think that Net fans have to be delighted with Kenny Atkinson, and the franchise is likely in good hands between him and Marks.
I previously said the Nets would be over the Vegas odds and win as many as 32 games, but I also said at the end of the day I thought they would have the 2nd worst record. I think everything is still in play, but it is hard for me to think they will be in the bottom 3.
There will be ebb and flow to this thread. I see a couple of Nets posters (yourself excluded) and now a Lakers poster feeling their oats for now. That might be replaced with the Celtics "20 win" posters who are currently Missing in Action, waiting for a Net losing streak, and then the Nets/Lakers frontrunner posters will vanish. Either way though, it's hard to not be encouraged as a Nets fan.

We'll see, we got off to a nice start in 2014 before that team crashed and ended up with the fourth worst record. Hopefully the Nets reward their die hards with a halfway decent team after they give us the rest of their picks.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Nets fans - this year's pick could end up being 10th, and next year's pick could end up being 15th.....and if you want to celebrate that as a victory, feel free to do so. It's like entering the 4th quarter down by 35 points, and then making a rally at the end and losing the game by 15 points.

Bottom line: you guys still lost this trade.

[pasfru]

Didn't know following your Draft pick with eagerness in a stacked Draft class would trigger Nets fans so hard.

[pasfru]

Nets fans - this year's pick could end up being 10th, and next year's pick could end up being 15th.....and if you want to celebrate that as a victory, feel free to do so. It's like entering the 4th quarter down by 35 points, and then making a rally at the end and losing the game by 15 points.

Bottom line: you guys still lost this trade.

Exactly.

People will call for Danny's head if the pick isn't top 3 and throw a hissy fit about how our future is doomed and we should throw away all our assets while we still can.

Either way, we won the **** out of that trade.

Any disappointment with the 2017 pick is your fault for building it up in your mind to be the key to unlocking Banner #18, not Danny's. He's already done his part.

[Green89]

The pick should be in the 3 to 5 range. 6th at worst. Only team worse than the Nets are the Philadelphia Sixers, and New Orleans Pelicans.

That's funny because there are currently 12 teams with a worse record right now.

Context. The Nets are currently 1 game behind us. Do you believe that that will remain that way all season?

We'll climb, they'll fall. The only question is, how much?

Maybe not, but I believe some of these other dozen teams with worse records will stay terrible. There's too many of them and a lot of them look atrocious and have no will to compete in a Golden State-Cavs year anyway. Lots of teams will be content with just staying bad in a "be elite or don't compete" season.

[Prokorov]

Nets fans - this year's pick could end up being 10th, and next year's pick could end up being 15th.....and if you want to celebrate that as a victory, feel free to do so. It's like entering the 4th quarter down by 35 points, and then making a rally at the end and losing the game by 15 points.

Bottom line: you guys still lost this trade.

Id still make the trade again. I know that seems crazy, but you have to take the context and specifics from our view into account. We just moved to brooklyn the prior year. the early years were very important.

-we were locked in longterm to vets. we were over the cap/tax gauranteed for the next 2-3 years without young talent.

-we just won 49 games with 2 enormous holes at SF/PF with wallace/evans and had no shooting or interior defense.

-Pierce/garnett/Terry on paper were ELITE fits for our situation. we needed scoring/shooting at SF. pierce had that. we needed D, some offense and leadership at PF. KG good fit. needed more shooters overall. inc omes terry.

-the east was trash outside the heat. it wasnt crazy to think adding those guys to a 50 win team could get us to the ECF.

The risk was there pick wise.... but lets not pretend like this result was probable... it took one of the most insane falls from grace for a player in his prime to get where we are now. Deron went from breaking nets scoring records, making the all-star team, and dropping 20/8 to lead us to the playoffs to a guy who coudlnt beat out jarret jack, overnight, while in still in his prime.

i think if deron decline and doesnt fall off a map its a safe assumption the nets chug away at 38-40 wins a year like the most recent playoff run and the over pay of picks is non lotto and doesnt look nearly as bad with more youngs and roziers and less jaylen browns.

With Hindsight... yeah the deal is bad. and the celtics made out like bandits.... but Pierce/KG also lead to the deepest run in brooklyns short history and a playoff win. fans value that differently but watching this team 30 years i value playoff seasons alot. we dont see them as much in NJ as you guys have in boston, obviously.

would i trade jalen brown for the playoff year with a game 7 win over the raptros? its closer for me as a fan then you might imagine. that win over the raps was WAY up there.

i still put the pick we traded for gerlad wallace with portland as a MUCH worse trade then the boston deal.

[shawn unkempt]

Nets fan/ Lin fan come here in peace. I believe most celtics fans are respectful, there are a few that get knee jerking reactions when they hear about Lin fans which to me is really racist which I don't really care about anymore after having to constantly being abused with my 6 years life at realm. Wish you guys do well except against the nets. I understand the intention for celtics for getting higher pick when nets not doing well, so that's cool. I got say though it's nothing wrong with having a friendly rival between the nets and the celtics and it could be fun tease in most of the time( just don't make it personal ). Good luck to your team this year.

Perfect example of why no one likes you guys, straight to the racist card.

[jbeachboy]

The pick should be in the 3 to 5 range. 6th at worst. Only team worse than the Nets are the Philadelphia Sixers, and New Orleans Pelicans.

what about phoenix?

[jbeachboy]

ainge should start offering that pick asap.

That's not how that works. Keeping it or trading it are equivalent risks. It's the Efficient-Market Hypothesis: other teams that would trade for it have the same information about the Nets as we do, and so are going to value it comparably to how we will at any given point in time.

If the Nets overperform and it loses value, well, that sucks, but that doesn't allow one to use hindsight to pretend you could have managed the asset better.

Congratulations on hovering just below .500 for now, in the soft part of your schedule, before Lopez gets traded.

im not sure lopez will be traded.