Summer Trade/(OffSeason) Thread 2017

[jmr07019]

Trying to put together a team that can beat the Warriors.....

4 team trade lol:

NYK gets: Brooklyn 18, Rozier, Zizic
NYK Trades: Porzingis

Minnii trades: 7 pick
Minni gets: Bradley and Crowder

Indy trades: Paul George
Indy gets: picks 7, Smart, Yabs, Boston 18, Memphis pick

Boston trades: Smart, Crowder, Bradley, Rozier, Yabs, Zizic, Boston 18, Memphis pick
Boston recieves: Paul George, Porzingis

Sign Hayward.

IT ~ Hayward ~ George ~ Horford ~ Porzingis
Fultz, Brown

We have size against them at the 2, 4 and 5. They're bigger at the 1 and 3. Still a great longterm outlook.

[jmr07019]

1. Draft Fultz

2. Bradley & Crowder for Minny #7 pick

3. Package IT, #7, BKN 18 Pick for Porzingis

4. Sign Blake

Fultz/Rozier/Jackson
Brown/Smart
Porzingis
Blake/Yabusele
Horford/Zizic

wouldn't you prefer Hayward over Blake if you already had Porzingis and Horford?

Fultz / Rozier
Brown / Smart
Hayward / Brown
Horford / Yabs
Pozingis / Zizic

[Fencer reregistered]

1. Draft Fultz

2. Bradley & Crowder for Minny #7 pick

3. Package IT, #7, BKN 18 Pick for Porzingis

4. Sign Blake

Fultz/Rozier/Jackson
Brown/Smart
Porzingis
Blake/Yabusele
Horford/Zizic

wouldn't you prefer Hayward over Blake if you already had Porzingis and Horford?

Fultz / Rozier
Brown / Smart
Hayward / Brown
Horford / Yabs
Pozingis / Zizic

Even ignoring the matter of the Porzingis overpay, who is IT traded to in that scenario? Short guards aren't good fits for the triangle.

[SparringPartner]

Smart? Gotta include him. He is going no where (I hope).

I'm hoping he does.

I'm not a "Smart" lover, but i wouldn't mind him staying on the team as a backup 1-2-3 type. Hustles, good team guy & if we can limit his offense i'd be real happy with him.

He's not what we were hoping for as a 6th pick, but if we keep IT & Fultz around, i think Smart can help them out a lot so i won't mind that as long as he knows his role & price reflects that.

Your not wanting Smart at all? Lol

What are you willing to pay Smart when the time comes?

[Green_teamer]

I'm hoping he does.

I'm not a "Smart" lover, but i wouldn't mind him staying on the team as a backup 1-2-3 type. Hustles, good team guy & if we can limit his offense i'd be real happy with him.

He's not what we were hoping for as a 6th pick, but if we keep IT & Fultz around, i think Smart can help them out a lot so i won't mind that as long as he knows his role & price reflects that.

Your not wanting Smart at all? Lol

What are you willing to pay Smart when the time comes?

Not op but i'd feel pretty good at about 12 million a year.

[SparringPartner]

I'm not a "Smart" lover, but i wouldn't mind him staying on the team as a backup 1-2-3 type. Hustles, good team guy & if we can limit his offense i'd be real happy with him.

He's not what we were hoping for as a 6th pick, but if we keep IT & Fultz around, i think Smart can help them out a lot so i won't mind that as long as he knows his role & price reflects that.

Your not wanting Smart at all? Lol

What are you willing to pay Smart when the time comes?

Not op but i'd feel pretty good at about 12 million a year.

I like that number. I wonder if teams will be willing to pay him more. With all this talent potentially coming aboard I think Smarts role stays the same or decreases. I am a big Smart fan, but he needs to take the next step.

[Green_teamer]

What are you willing to pay Smart when the time comes?

Not op but i'd feel pretty good at about 12 million a year.

I like that number. I wonder if teams will be willing to pay him more. With all this talent potentially coming aboard I think Smarts role stays the same or decreases. I am a big Smart fan, but he needs to take the next step.

I'd be curious at his value around the league as well. I can't see him getting much more than 12. Maybe someone gives him 15 but I can't see anyone paying him close to 20. If he somehow finds a jump shot between now and then things could change quick but until then he's kinda stuck inrole player territory as much as I like smart. A good role player but a role player none the less.

[dlaflare]

Not op but i'd feel pretty good at about 12 million a year.

I like that number. I wonder if teams will be willing to pay him more. With all this talent potentially coming aboard I think Smarts role stays the same or decreases. I am a big Smart fan, but he needs to take the next step.

I'd be curious at his value around the league as well. I can't see him getting much more than 12. Maybe someone gives him 15 but I can't see anyone paying him close to 20. If he somehow finds a jump shot between now and then things could change quick but until then he's kinda stuck inrole player territory as much as I like smart. A good role player but a role player none the less.

So, wait, you guys are sold on this being all Marcus Smart will be? He is still only 23 years old. He averaged 11/5/4 + 1.5 stls per game.

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[SparringPartner]

I like that number. I wonder if teams will be willing to pay him more. With all this talent potentially coming aboard I think Smarts role stays the same or decreases. I am a big Smart fan, but he needs to take the next step.

I'd be curious at his value around the league as well. I can't see him getting much more than 12. Maybe someone gives him 15 but I can't see anyone paying him close to 20. If he somehow finds a jump shot between now and then things could change quick but until then he's kinda stuck inrole player territory as much as I like smart. A good role player but a role player none the less.

So, wait, you guys are sold on this being all Marcus Smart will be? He is still only 23 years old. He averaged 11/5/4 + 1.5 stls per game.

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I hope not. I just think if Hayward's coming aboard, Fultz gets drafted, Brown had a good year, someone's going to have to take a step back. I personally love Smart as a basketball player, but I also consider myself a realist.


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[2Mas]

I'd rather pay Smart his 10-12 then Bradley his 18-20 next summer. Give IT his money. Hopefully we get GH.

I think Bradley is the more obvious choice to go over Smart


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[cl2117]

I'd love to move up from #37 high enough to take a flyer on Giles. I don't feel like it's realistic because he feels like the prototype of a late riser (considered a top pick before injuries, now healthy), but I'd love to try.

If he finds himself out of the lottery do you think there are any teams that would take some combination of #37, #53, #56, Rozier, Mickey, D. Jackson so that we can move up 15-20 spots to take a shot on him?

I also like Bam Adebayo and Ike Anigbogu, but I don't think I'd trade up to get either (other than maybe trading all 3 of our seconds for whatever pick they're still available at).

Any chance Milwaukee (#17), Indiana (#18), Portland (#20), OKC (#21) would be tempted by something around #37 and Rozier with some filler thrown in on top?

[Celts17Pride]

I'd love to move up from #37 high enough to take a flyer on Giles. I don't feel like it's realistic because he feels like the prototype of a late riser (considered a top pick before injuries, now healthy), but I'd love to try.

If he finds himself out of the lottery do you think there are any teams that would take some combination of #37, #53, #56, Rozier, Mickey, D. Jackson so that we can move up 15-20 spots to take a shot on him?

I also like Bam Adebayo and Ike Anigbogu, but I don't think I'd trade up to get either (other than maybe trading all 3 of our seconds for whatever pick they're still available at).

Any chance Milwaukee (#17), Indiana (#18), Portland (#20), OKC (#21) would be tempted by something around #37 and Rozier with some filler thrown in on top?

Giles is going to be a late lottery pick because of his upside and because after about 10 picks this draft drops off dramatically.

[Homerclease]

I'd love to move up from #37 high enough to take a flyer on Giles. I don't feel like it's realistic because he feels like the prototype of a late riser (considered a top pick before injuries, now healthy), but I'd love to try.

If he finds himself out of the lottery do you think there are any teams that would take some combination of #37, #53, #56, Rozier, Mickey, D. Jackson so that we can move up 15-20 spots to take a shot on him?

I also like Bam Adebayo and Ike Anigbogu, but I don't think I'd trade up to get either (other than maybe trading all 3 of our seconds for whatever pick they're still available at).

Any chance Milwaukee (#17), Indiana (#18), Portland (#20), OKC (#21) would be tempted by something around #37 and Rozier with some filler thrown in on top?

Giles is going to be a late lottery pick because of his upside and because after about 10 picks this draft drops off dramatically.

Agree with this. Around pick 9 is when it really starts to take a hit depending on how you feel about Markkanen and Ntilikina. Baffles me why Miles Bridges went back to school when he would've been superb value around this slot

[galipeautim]

If I'm the Cavs my #1 agenda this offseason is to trade for Avery Bradley. The formula to beat the Dubs is defense and shooting and that is exactly what Bradley brings to the table. Would the Celtics ever make that move with a rival and what would it require is another story.

[KGboss]

If I'm the Cavs my #1 agenda this offseason is to trade for Avery Bradley. The formula to beat the Dubs is defense and shooting and that is exactly what Bradley brings to the table. Would the Celtics ever make that move with a rival and what would it require is another story.

But what do the Cavs have to offer the Celtics? Kevin Love? I dont think that scenario makes sense.

[ddb]

why a Fultz, Hayward, Love, Zizic offseason could happen.

The first part is easy. Celts have the #1 pick. Draft Fultz

The 2nd part could be easy as well. Sign Hayward in free agency. Bring Zizic over as planned

Bradley/Crowder for Love is the next step. Cavs may prefer Melo over Bradley/Crowder which could be done still via a 3 team deal

you can knock Love all you want, but at the end of the day he's still a 20/11 All-Star PF in his prime. No, he isn't much of a defender, but he rebounds and stretches the floor at an elite level which fits in seamlessly with what the Celtics do.

IT-Smart-Hayward-Love-Horford
Fultz-Rozier-Brown-FA-Zizic

not a bad plan. Plus we keep the BK18

[Celts17Pride]

Bradley/Crowder for Love is the next step.

I would pass on this trade and here is the reason why. Part of Cleveland's issue with Golden State and part of why Boston has had success against GS is wing defense. Cleveland doesn't have the wings to play defense against Golden State.

If the Celtics move players like Bradley, Crowder, Smart etc. for Kevin Love it's like we are acquiring Cleveland's problem in my opinion.

[ddb]

Bradley/Crowder for Love is the next step.

I would pass on this trade and here is the reason why. Part of Cleveland's issue with Golden State and part of why Boston has had success against GS is wing defense. Cleveland doesn't have the wings to play defense against Golden State.

If the Celtics move players like Bradley, Crowder, Smart etc. for Kevin Love it's like we are acquiring Cleveland's problem in my opinion.

So I agree with you to a certain extent, but here's my rebuttal. Danny Ainge cannot possibly sign a max, or near max FA this summer PLUS resign IT, AB & Smart next summer. The tax bill would be ridiculous.
Secondly, if the Celtics draft Fultz AND sign Hayward, that's a minimum of 60 minutes out the door that would normally go to guys like Bradley & Crowder.

Fultz/Hayward > Bradley/Crowder. Especially, if you add Love into the equation and it's essentially Fultz/Hayward/Love VS Bradley/Crowder. Celtics would still have Marcus Smart as a shut down defender.

So this is all in theory. Technically, we probably wouldnt want to send both Crowder & Bradley to the Cavs to join LeBron & Kyrie. That's a great mix of players...

Kyrie-Bradley-Crowder-LeBron-Thompson is a great lineup

but in theory, Love at the price of Bradley/Crowder, especially if Bradley isn't in the long-term plans, is a fair deal that would make sense for both Boston and Cleveland.

[Andrew McCeltic]

why a Fultz, Hayward, Love, Zizic offseason could happen.

The first part is easy. Celts have the #1 pick. Draft Fultz

The 2nd part could be easy as well. Sign Hayward in free agency. Bring Zizic over as planned

Bradley/Crowder for Love is the next step. Cavs may prefer Melo over Bradley/Crowder which could be done still via a 3 team deal

you can knock Love all you want, but at the end of the day he's still a 20/11 All-Star PF in his prime. No, he isn't much of a defender, but he rebounds and stretches the floor at an elite level which fits in seamlessly with what the Celtics do.

IT-Smart-Hayward-Love-Horford
Fultz-Rozier-Brown-FA-Zizic

not a bad plan. Plus we keep the BK18

I had a similar idea - draft Fultz, max Hayward, then see what happens if you stack Bradley, Crowder, Rozier, YABU and/or the 37th pick (not on the rookie salary scale, could get some of the MLE) to match salary. My idea was Drummond - the Smash Brother for the Splash Brothers. But you could theoretically get Love, or Drummond, or Deandre, or get Melo and then flip him for Blake.

You can't overrate Bradley and Crowder for sentimental reasons. Dealing them as a pair does them right, so you're not sending Jae to Sacramento to languish. We can't pay IT and Avery and Smart. And Smart, Fultz and Brown can all play some 2, so Bradley is the loss you can replace the most painlessly.

[ddb]

why a Fultz, Hayward, Love, Zizic offseason could happen.

The first part is easy. Celts have the #1 pick. Draft Fultz

The 2nd part could be easy as well. Sign Hayward in free agency. Bring Zizic over as planned

Bradley/Crowder for Love is the next step. Cavs may prefer Melo over Bradley/Crowder which could be done still via a 3 team deal

you can knock Love all you want, but at the end of the day he's still a 20/11 All-Star PF in his prime. No, he isn't much of a defender, but he rebounds and stretches the floor at an elite level which fits in seamlessly with what the Celtics do.

IT-Smart-Hayward-Love-Horford
Fultz-Rozier-Brown-FA-Zizic

not a bad plan. Plus we keep the BK18

I had a similar idea - draft Fultz, max Hayward, then see what happens if you stack Bradley, Crowder, Rozier, YABU and/or the 37th pick (not on the rookie salary scale, could get some of the MLE) to match salary. My idea was Drummond - the Smash Brother for the Splash Brothers. But you could theoretically get Love, or Drummond, or Deandre, or get Melo and then flip him for Blake.

You can't overrate Bradley and Crowder for sentimental reasons. Dealing them as a pair does them right, so you're not sending Jae to Sacramento to languish. We can't pay IT and Avery and Smart. And Smart, Fultz and Brown can all play some 2, so Bradley is the loss you can replace the most painlessly.

I'm not a big Drummond fan. We would need a bunch of shooting around him to make it work. It could work, but I struggle to see the fit here