Gordon Hayward Thread

[Bill Bradley]

Celtics need more Brown and less Hayward. I'd make Brown first off the bench and give him starter's minutes. Hayward needs his minutes cut. Playing him this many minutes is hurting the team and destroying chemistry.

I agree if regular season wins is your main goal. But we need Hayward come playoff time so we let him play through his recovery/inconsistency.

This logic assumes that Hayward in fact has more upside than Brown for the future and I don’t agree. A confident and aggressive Jaylen will be far more valuable come playoff time in my opinion.

[GuyClinch]

Future is now for the C"s. All Hayward has to do is play like Hayward 2 years ago and he is WAY better then Brown is right now - even peak Brown. Haywards BBIQ is light years ahead of Brown's. Brown tries to play unselfish but doesn't really play smart basketball. He misses obvious passes. Doesn't know the game really well. Had **** coaching in college - not sure about HS. But really not a polished team basketball player.

[VeryMuchWoke]

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Hmm. Draymond isn’t exactly lying.

Hope it's Draymond and not KD. KD is close with Kyrie and I don't want to think they are talking about this or anything.

Going back to my hole in the ground now where everything is positive and peachy keen.

Its Boogie— I’ve listened to Goodman’s podcast enough to know those two have a long history dating back nearly 10 years.

I don't have strong feelings either way, but you sure it wasn't Dray?

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[KumaJG]

IHayward flat out awful. He is in the dumpster until he can put a string of good game together

[celticfan42487]

Future is now for the C"s. All Hayward has to do is play like Hayward 2 years ago and he is WAY better then Brown is right now - even peak Brown. Haywards BBIQ is light years ahead of Brown's. Brown tries to play unselfish but doesn't really play smart basketball. He misses obvious passes. Doesn't know the game really well. Had **** coaching in college - not sure about HS. But really not a polished team basketball player.

I think at best the future is next year for the Cs.

We have broken Hayward this season and that seals our fate in the East let alone against the Warriors.

Next year without at least Cousins and hopefully some magic maybe we can take on the Warriors.

We'll need Hayward to come close to what he was 2 years ago, and instead of standing still in development we'll need Tatum to take MASSIVE leaps either becoming an elite FT% drawer or near elite playmaker.

If both of those can happen in the offseason then our door will open again.

Both of those happening is very unlikely though so I hope Ainge does what he can for the following seasons. I hope we keep Rozier. I hope we jump at the chance to trade any of Morris/Baynes/Theis for a future firsts.

We can go far with a developing core and ideally a recovering Hayward.

Irving/Rozier
Smart/Brown
Hayward/Tatum

You can work with that. Slid Hayward down to PF if he's healthy. Tatum if he ever puts on muscle to bang. Let's see where we can get. Ideally you wait out the Curry/KD connection. They both have 2 absolute years of prime in them. Potentially 4 great years left being 30 and the greatest shooters in NBA history each. But all we can do is wait them out and try to consolidate in a trade for an MVP when it becomes available.

Irving 26
Smart 24
Rozier 24
Brown 22
Tatum 20


You can build a lot wins around that team. And in 4 years when Curry and KD are 34 and Giannas, and Embiid, and Kawhi , and Doncic, and AD are running the leauge. You'll have a core hitting it's peak and ready to be the plucky Piston like underdog to take them down in.

Irving 30
Smart 28
Rozier 28
Brown 26
Tatum 24

[return2glory]

I don’t think Draymond made that comment. It was either Durant or outside shot, Iggy.

[BRUNiNHO91]

Feel super bad for the dude. Not only do you have to go through that devastating injury, but now people are questioning your game, the contract that you absolutely earned and even clowning you for not being good enough yet.

It's real sad. I hope it's mental with this dude and that he snaps(ughh) out of it eventually. As a fan of the Celtics and Gordon, would be specially satisfying to watch him get back to his All Star form. Kinda wish dude had a little bit more alpha to his game. Maybe this 'liability' comment is the kick in the backside he needs..

[Parasite]

It will either be a kick he needs or it will finish him mentally. At least for the foreseeable future. I’m hoping after the all star break he looks like a new man. Never know.

[Floody100]

god people are just god damn awful on this page. Just go back & look how long it took PG to get back to playing decent, some would say Hayward is ahead of PG (I look at the Minnesota games & the first half of the Toronto game) he’s just really inconsistent at the moment. He’s got no confidence at the moment, did anyone actually think he was going to really effective against the Warriors ? really ?
We all knew Hayward was going to struggle this year so I don’t see why everyone seems so surprised.
I’d love to win it this year but I have kind of come to the conclusion that we aren’t much of a chance against the warriors. We’ll have a much stronger chance next year (especially if we get AD) & that’s when we should be judging Hayward’s performance’s. If he hasn’t improved much next year, that’s when we can start to get really worried.

[Floody100]

It will either be a kick he needs or it will finish him mentally. At least for the foreseeable future. I’m hoping after the all star break he looks like a new man. Never know.

I’d love to see Kyrie have a one on one talk to him & let him know how imprortant he is to this team. It might actually Hayward more aggressive to the hoop instead of always looking to pass first.

[djFan71]

Gonna be funny when he lights the Warriors up a game in the finals and we end up winning the game because of it.

That would be me on Hayward Island when that happens...

Right there with you buddy.

[MalagaBulls]

Bulls fan, post often here. If Heyward does indeed fall off the cliff until the end of the season what would be the best solution? Would you try to trade him as a straight salary dump only getting back matching expiring contracts or would you add one of your 1sts to offload his contract?

[Turgon]

I hope this tweet is what it takes to make Hayward leave that funk he is in. He needs to be more aggressive, to yell at his teammates, to get pissed and demand the ball. He needs to get a couple of technicals, badmouth the refs and "be the dude". Show some kind of emotion other than those sad puppy eyes he always has.

If this doesn't shake him nothing will.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Hope it's Draymond and not KD. KD is close with Kyrie and I don't want to think they are talking about this or anything.

Going back to my hole in the ground now where everything is positive and peachy keen.

Its Boogie— I’ve listened to Goodman’s podcast enough to know those two have a long history dating back nearly 10 years.

I don't have strong feelings either way, but you sure it wasn't Dray?

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Nearly positive— when has Draymond ever been afraid to go on the record?

[brackdan70]

Bulls fan, post often here. If Heyward does indeed fall off the cliff until the end of the season what would be the best solution? Would you try to trade him as a straight salary dump only getting back matching expiring contracts or would you add one of your 1sts to offload his contract?

I don’t think they would dump him. Despite what an anonymous warrior says he is actually having a positive impact on the court most of the time. He will get better and has 2 years after this on his contract. Cs are better off riding it out

[MyInsatiableOne]

Feel super bad for the dude. Not only do you have to go through that devastating injury, but now people are questioning your game, the contract that you absolutely earned and even clowning you for not being good enough yet.

It's real sad. I hope it's mental with this dude and that he snaps(ughh) out of it eventually. As a fan of the Celtics and Gordon, would be specially satisfying to watch him get back to his All Star form. Kinda wish dude had a little bit more alpha to his game. Maybe this 'liability' comment is the kick in the backside he needs..

My thoughts exactly. He was one of my favorite players BEFORE the C's got him, so it hurts to see him struggle like this. Also, I live in his hometown so people here are ALWAYS on me about Gordon. It's tough.

[MyInsatiableOne]

Bulls fan, post often here. If Heyward does indeed fall off the cliff until the end of the season what would be the best solution? Would you try to trade him as a straight salary dump only getting back matching expiring contracts or would you add one of your 1sts to offload his contract?

What would we possibly get for him right now? His value is ZERO. That's why the "trade Hayward" people make no sense. He's not playing close to the value of his contract, but whoever trades for him still takes the cap hit. It's not gonna happen.

Also, if they trade him then good luck attracting another marquee FA to Boston for a loooooooong time. As it is, Gordon was the first truly marquee guy in his prime the C's have EVER attracted. I can't imagine it would send a good message to other players in the future that the C's traded him coming back from a horrific injury a year and a half into the deal.

[Romeiro Celtic]

I bet this was either Durant or Draymond who said that, not wrong though.

Just to compete lol? Who is the **** clown who said this. Morris three goes in, Gordon wasnt a corpse, Smart didnt blow the rebound.... we have a chance to win.

We didnt lose by 30. Total dumbass statement right there.

PS if it was that little cupcake Durant who said that you need to see Lebrons guy bro..your bald ass head is getting worse by the day.

Dude, chill. The guy who said is not wrong, Gordon has really tough season, he has 1 good game for 5 bad ones, doesn't mean he'll never be good again, right now he's not good for the team, but when he gets more confortable with everything, things will get better.

[Banks2Pierce]

I hope this tweet is what it takes to make Hayward leave that funk he is in. He needs to be more aggressive, to yell at his teammates, to get pissed and demand the ball. He needs to get a couple of technicals, badmouth the refs and "be the dude". Show some kind of emotion other than those sad puppy eyes he always has.

If this doesn't shake him nothing will.

I feel like this kind of criticism is unfair. This guy was a killer in Utah. He can't explode at the rim like he used to and finish through contact. It's his leg and not his brain.

[Turgon]

I hope this tweet is what it takes to make Hayward leave that funk he is in. He needs to be more aggressive, to yell at his teammates, to get pissed and demand the ball. He needs to get a couple of technicals, badmouth the refs and "be the dude". Show some kind of emotion other than those sad puppy eyes he always has.

If this doesn't shake him nothing will.

I feel like this kind of criticism is unfair. This guy was a killer in Utah. He can't explode at the rim like he used to and finish through contact. It's his leg and not his brain.

I actually think he is much better physically than he shows. I think it's his calm demeanor that is getting in the way. He needs to make a statement to the team and demand the ball. I've seen too many games where Rozier and Brown completely freeze him out and he just stays there in the corner. That can't be. He is a **** all-star, whether he is recovering or not. He needs to be number two in the team and behave like that.

I believe he will come back to his former self (or at least something near it) but he needs to believe it too!