2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 -- (8PM, Wed, Nov. 18, ESPN)

[playa-hater]

NOT to derail the lastest debate, but it looks like one of my Hopes at 14 -S Bey, is impressing teams with his ready to step in a play game.. Chances of him being there are slipping...

Im liking him more— reminds me of Crowder [except able to defend down instead of up positionally]. Not a high ceiling, but he will be a player. More valuable with less offseason IMO.

Good comp, though I also think the unproven Bey has a much better chance of becoming a "real" knockdown shooter.. Crowder is OK at best at shooting.

[SmartWentCrazy]

NOT to derail the lastest debate, but it looks like one of my Hopes at 14 -S Bey, is impressing teams with his ready to step in a play game.. Chances of him being there are slipping...

Im liking him more— reminds me of Crowder [except able to defend down instead of up positionally]. Not a high ceiling, but he will be a player. More valuable with less offseason IMO.

Good comp, though I also think the unproven Bey has a much better chance of becoming a "real" knockdown shooter.. Crowder is OK at best at shooting.

His form and slow release scare me— think he’ll be more limited to only open 3’s and unable to convert contested ones.

[djFan71]

If we end up with Hali & Reed, I'll be very happy - assuming we keep Gordon in that scenario.

[threrf23]

Im liking him more— reminds me of Crowder [except able to defend down instead of up positionally]. Not a high ceiling, but he will be a player. More valuable with less offseason IMO.

Good comp, though I also think the unproven Bey has a much better chance of becoming a "real" knockdown shooter.. Crowder is OK at best at shooting.

His form and slow release scare me— think he’ll be more limited to only open 3’s and unable to convert contested ones.

Or he will improve his form. My understanding is that he's a guy who hit a late growth spurt and is still adjusting to his new self. He is known to be a hard worker and he seems to be on a steady climb.

[BostonCouchGM]

NOT to derail the lastest debate, but it looks like one of my Hopes at 14 -S Bey, is impressing teams with his ready to step in a play game.. Chances of him being there are slipping...

I really don't think he's 6'8" (unless you count his fro) and he's already 21 y/o. It'll come down to his measurements and times and whether a team has a need at the 3 and is happy with a high floor, low ceiling. He could be one of those guys that get drafted way higher than people think or that he deserves to. At best he's a poor man's Middleton imho. Middleton has proven to me he can't be a #2 and is more of a #3. If Saddiq is not quite that, do you take him over guys with higher upside? I'd love him at #26 where he should go.

[Spin Move]

No trade you’ve suggested during your months long onslaught of Kemba trades has either made sense or made us better.

And have you watched him play? Watch him dribble the ball up vs NBA caliber defenders Moose. He’s an off guard who can run some actions/PnR, much like Smart. Stop looking at raw APG numbers then telling me I havent watched him play when you should be looking in the mirror.

I have watched alot of his games. He is the best pick and roll point in the draft. Also one of the best passers/playmakers in the draft.

Also all of the above posted draft site links all list him as a PG. a PG

But Smartwentcrazy knows better than all.

And if you dont like the Kemba trades I have proposed (which have only been to NYK or Clippers IIRC) and dont think that a large TPE and #8 or Paul George then dont read them. Easy.

But to just so arrogantly proclaim
"we arent trading Kemba this isnt 2K" and not support any reasoning why is just that, arrogant.

Call me moose all you want, it is petty, and incredibly pathetic on your part.

Have a real discussion or ignore me. Don't pretend to know me, don't pretend to state where I am making my opinions from (raw APG) etc.

Draft sites listed SGA as a PG too. They generally list where a guy played in college and simplistically break things down based on statistics.

Like SGA, Haliburton can play PG. His handle isnt good enough to be a full time guard and primary ball handler. No link you’ve posted really contradicts this.

Further, the Knicks wont take Kemba because they want cap space for next summer. They didnt even chase him last year. Theyre not going to give up a high pick for him now. And the Clippers laugh off an offer of PG for Kemba. The reality: he doesnt have much trade value at all. But he’s a great player. We shouldnt dump him and no one will give up the value he provides. The PR hit is icing on the cake. Its a fools errand; its why no one is shocked you keep pitching the ideas.

Its not pathetic to call you your former banned handle. Want me to call you Silky instead? You got banned for being a racist ****, I’m not gonna let that **** go. Sorry its an inconvenience to you.

Halliburton is a point Guard, I am from Kansas and watch every KU game, and some other big 12 games, he is not a 2 he is a striaght big PG 6'5 and long arms though he has not been formally measured, a couple sites speculate 6'10 plus wingspan. He is big enough to switch and one of the best passers in the country. As the video suggested he is Lonzo ball if lonzo ball could shoot. He may by an 18 and 8 guy not a 25 and 10 guy but he will be a really good point gaurd on both ends for whoever drafts him. I can't see him falling past NY at 8. Is he more Ron Harper (22 and 7 at his peak, ran the bulls PG spot for the 2nd 3 peat) then Jason Kidd maybe, but he put up great stats and passed the eye test.

[JHTruth]

I have watched alot of his games. He is the best pick and roll point in the draft. Also one of the best passers/playmakers in the draft.

Also all of the above posted draft site links all list him as a PG. a PG

But Smartwentcrazy knows better than all.

And if you dont like the Kemba trades I have proposed (which have only been to NYK or Clippers IIRC) and dont think that a large TPE and #8 or Paul George then dont read them. Easy.

But to just so arrogantly proclaim
"we arent trading Kemba this isnt 2K" and not support any reasoning why is just that, arrogant.

Call me moose all you want, it is petty, and incredibly pathetic on your part.

Have a real discussion or ignore me. Don't pretend to know me, don't pretend to state where I am making my opinions from (raw APG) etc.

Draft sites listed SGA as a PG too. They generally list where a guy played in college and simplistically break things down based on statistics.

Like SGA, Haliburton can play PG. His handle isnt good enough to be a full time guard and primary ball handler. No link you’ve posted really contradicts this.

Further, the Knicks wont take Kemba because they want cap space for next summer. They didnt even chase him last year. Theyre not going to give up a high pick for him now. And the Clippers laugh off an offer of PG for Kemba. The reality: he doesnt have much trade value at all. But he’s a great player. We shouldnt dump him and no one will give up the value he provides. The PR hit is icing on the cake. Its a fools errand; its why no one is shocked you keep pitching the ideas.

Its not pathetic to call you your former banned handle. Want me to call you Silky instead? You got banned for being a racist ****, I’m not gonna let that **** go. Sorry its an inconvenience to you.

Halliburton is a point Guard, I am from Kansas and watch every KU game, and some other big 12 games, he is not a 2 he is a striaght big PG 6'5 and long arms though he has not been formally measured, a couple sites speculate 6'10 plus wingspan. He is big enough to switch and one of the best passers in the country. As the video suggested he is Lonzo ball if lonzo ball could shoot. He may by an 18 and 8 guy not a 25 and 10 guy but he will be a really good point gaurd on both ends for whoever drafts him. I can't see him falling past NY at 8. Is he more Ron Harper (22 and 7 at his peak, ran the bulls PG spot for the 2nd 3 peat) then Jason Kidd maybe, but he put up great stats and passed the eye test.

Cleveland Ron Harper was a top 5 guard in the league. Absolute stud

[leper-con]

This guys has a similar skill set to Hayward. He is able to facilitate offensive flow.
My magic 8ball says Hayward is getting traded . We are moving up either with Atlanta or NY and getting Halliburton.
I could actually see Hayward in Atlanta to help run the offence with Trae. With NEw York I could see a lesser player and a couple of picks. or a three team deal with HAyward to Indy ect.

[yeleven11]

It's not a "report". It's intel from someone inside the C's org. I agree that media members get fed BS all the time..

What was the intel?

Celtics are moving up to grab Haliburton and like Reed in the second..

A guy from r/bostonceltics said the same thing about Haliburton this past week FWIW.

[JHTruth]

What was the intel?

Celtics are moving up to grab Haliburton and like Reed in the second..

A guy from r/bostonceltics said the same thing about Haliburton this past week FWIW.

Yeah another poster in the first draft thread also corroborated independently that the C's are going to move to get him..

[GoCeltics123]

What was the intel?

Celtics are moving up to grab Haliburton and like Reed in the second..

A guy from r/bostonceltics said the same thing about Haliburton this past week FWIW.

I don't see that post on reddit, do you know the name for the post/have a link for it? Thanks.

[yeleven11]

Celtics are moving up to grab Haliburton and like Reed in the second..

A guy from r/bostonceltics said the same thing about Haliburton this past week FWIW.

I don't see that post on reddit, do you know the name for the post/have a link for it? Thanks.

Dm'd you

[GoGreen]

Is this Haliburton stuff legit or just noise? Where did these these rumors spawn? Not seeing anything on Reddit. Who was the source of the Intel in the old draft thread? Trying to wrap my head around this stuff!

[JHTruth]

Is this Haliburton stuff legit or just noise? Where did these these rumors spawn? Not seeing anything on Reddit. Who was the source of the Intel in the old draft thread? Trying to wrap my head around this stuff!

A couple independent sources in the first thread. The Comedian for one..

[GoGreen]

Is this Haliburton stuff legit or just noise? Where did these these rumors spawn? Not seeing anything on Reddit. Who was the source of the Intel in the old draft thread? Trying to wrap my head around this stuff!

A couple independent sources in the first thread. The Comedian for one..

Hmm will have to glaze over that thread I suppose

[GoCeltics123]

All I'm going to say is...if we pick Haliburton, the Dick Cheney jokes are going to be FLYING

[playa-hater]

NOT to derail the lastest debate, but it looks like one of my Hopes at 14 -S Bey, is impressing teams with his ready to step in a play game.. Chances of him being there are slipping...

I really don't think he's 6'8" (unless you count his fro) and he's already 21 y/o. It'll come down to his measurements and times and whether a team has a need at the 3 and is happy with a high floor, low ceiling. He could be one of those guys that get drafted way higher than people think or that he deserves to. At best he's a poor man's Middleton imho. Middleton has proven to me he can't be a #2 and is more of a #3. If Saddiq is not quite that, do you take him over guys with higher upside? I'd love him at #26 where he should go.

For the record I think Chris Middleton is a perfect comparison


Although I don't know if that is his floor or ceiling. But considering the Boston Celtics situation a number 3 option that fits in well is probably more of a priority than a down the road potentially number two option in my opinion

[themoneyteam2]

Watch on YouTube

Surprised Reggie Perry isn't being talked about more. #30 recruit in the country 2 years ago and is still only 20 years old.

6'9.75" 245 lbs and a 7"2.5" wingspan.

Averaged 17.4 PPG, 10.1 RPG, and 2.3 APG on 50/32/77 shooting splits.

Really impressive pull up game and versatility. Great rebounder and upside defensively. Mechanics are good but inconsistent jumper which isn't really a concern for me. Poor shot selection and decision maker but think that's more of a result of his role at Miss St.

Idk maybe it's just me but I've always been high on him. Really not a fan of Okongwu and would never want to trade 14,26, and 30 to trade up and pick him. Perry should be there in 2nd round but not sure he lasts until 47.

[threrf23]

Watch on YouTube

Surprised Reggie Perry isn't being talked about more. #30 recruit in the country 2 years ago and is still only 20 years old.

6'9.75" 245 lbs and a 7"2.5" wingspan.

Averaged 17.4 PPG, 10.1 RPG, and 2.3 APG on 50/32/77 shooting splits.

Really impressive pull up game and versatility. Great rebounder and upside defensively. Mechanics are good but inconsistent jumper which isn't really a concern for me. Poor shot selection and decision maker but think that's more of a result of his role at Miss St.

Idk maybe it's just me but I've always been high on him. Really not a fan of Okongwu and would never want to trade 14,26, and 30 to trade up and pick him. Perry should be there in 2nd round but not sure he lasts until 47.

If he's there at 47 - I assume there's a reason teams are passing on him. If he's there at 26 or 30, I wouldn't be mad at the pick.

Statistically, he looks similar to Big Baby at LSU, albeit a better shooter. Scouting reports make him sound a bit like Big Baby, down to "Also prone to losing his cool emotionally and can become frustrated with teammates when they make mistakes … Thick legs make him a little slow to get moving and anchor him to the floor to some degree defensively."

So, a better conditioned Big Baby?

[Squigglepuffin]

No trade you’ve suggested during your months long onslaught of Kemba trades has either made sense or made us better.

And have you watched him play? Watch him dribble the ball up vs NBA caliber defenders Moose. He’s an off guard who can run some actions/PnR, much like Smart. Stop looking at raw APG numbers then telling me I havent watched him play when you should be looking in the mirror.

Smart doesn't touch Hali as a playmaker though. Hali is one of the best PnR passers coming out in years. Smart is a 3andD guard that can pass decently. Hali is a passer first who can shoot the 3.

Read on Twitter

Good find

"It shouldn't be based on how many assists you have but rather how many points you create from those assists"

???????? Twitter user either mistyped or doesn't know basketball.

The definition of an assist is a pass that directly leads to points.