Hard to Believe Ainge will Make any Move Soon Trade Thread

[jmr07019]

Allegedly Simmons was offer and Houston took Brooklyn's offer instead. I agree with the comedian that Ben would look a lot better playing in a spread offensive system but it's pretty clear the guy doesn't work on his game enough to be the top guy on a title team. He's closer to Rondo than he is to Giannis.

[chrisab123]

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So true. Philly should have moved him for Harden

Just let him take jumpers all day. Thats how you beat Philly

[BostonCouchGM]

Allegedly Simmons was offer and Houston took Brooklyn's offer instead. I agree with the comedian that Ben would look a lot better playing in a spread offensive system but it's pretty clear the guy doesn't work on his game enough to be the top guy on a title team. He's closer to Rondo than he is to Giannis.

I think when he knows his game is capped, due to his circumstances, he checks out. He's still one of the most gifted players in the NBA. I think he's known for years his situation isn't optimal for his game and just stops caring. He's been playing like he did when he went to college, like he's just trying to play out the string until he's able to get to a better place. He'll eventually be moved because it'll never work with him and Embiid.

[yeleven11]

Allegedly Simmons was offer and Houston took Brooklyn's offer instead. I agree with the comedian that Ben would look a lot better playing in a spread offensive system but it's pretty clear the guy doesn't work on his game enough to be the top guy on a title team. He's closer to Rondo than he is to Giannis.

I think when he knows his game is capped, due to his circumstances, he checks out. He's still one of the most gifted players in the NBA. I think he's known for years his situation isn't optimal for his game and just stops caring. He's been playing like he did when he went to college, like he's just trying to play out the string until he's able to get to a better place. He'll eventually be moved because it'll never work with him and Embiid.

This just isnt true. There are so many possessions where Embiid isnt even on the floor and Simmons refuses to drive in the half court. If he "checks out" when things arent right for him, then he's not all that "gifted" either lol

[SparringPartner]

I want to say thank god we didn't end up with Harden!

General question post-Harden BS;

If the Celtics could land Bradley Beal & John Collins without losing Tatum, but everyone else is up for grabs, do you make that move?

A longterm of Collins, Tatum & Beal as the Celtics core. Thoughts?

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

I want to say thank god we didn't end up with Harden!

General question post-Harden BS;

If the Celtics could land Bradley Beal & John Collins without losing Tatum, but everyone else is up for grabs, do you make that move?

A longterm of Collins, Tatum & Beal as the Celtics core. Thoughts?

No to Collins. He is porous on defense.

[titlebound1]

20+ unless you've drafted them is the fairest, imo. Cause for any franchise if you've drafted your players, it'd be **** to lose them cause of a rule. Tbh, the league is trash and Silver is pretty bad, league is trending in a bad direction and I do expect lockdown soon.

The solution is way easier than that IMO. Just have a "franchise tag", one per team, that player can be paid a lot more than the non-franchise max, but they don't get UFA.

Or just get rid of UFA altogether and replace it with RFA. Full team control at all times.

NBAPA won't agree to that. They have to agree on a drastic change like that. Franchise tag has zero percent chance of happening.

Yup it's totally unrealistic. Just wishful thinking

[soxfan2003]

Allegedly Simmons was offer and Houston took Brooklyn's offer instead. I agree with the comedian that Ben would look a lot better playing in a spread offensive system but it's pretty clear the guy doesn't work on his game enough to be the top guy on a title team. He's closer to Rondo than he is to Giannis.

I think when he knows his game is capped, due to his circumstances, he checks out. He's still one of the most gifted players in the NBA. I think he's known for years his situation isn't optimal for his game and just stops caring. He's been playing like he did when he went to college, like he's just trying to play out the string until he's able to get to a better place. He'll eventually be moved because it'll never work with him and Embiid.

It really already has worked out okay with Embiid and Simmons when Philly added Jimmy Butler. Despite not having much time at all to integrate Butler, 76ers were literally inches from probably winning a title but Leonard hit a big shot and Toronto won the series in 7.

Given enough players not improving there outside shooting and Simmons seemingly not heavily prioritizing it from day 1 in the NBA, I doubt the Embiid/Simmons combination wins a title without a lot of help.

But the reason they won't win, speaks more to Philly's talent level as a team not being quite good enough and less to the Embiid/Simmons pairing being a bad fit together. Embiid/Simmons have probably as much synergy on the court together as Lebron/Wade. Far from perfect but still decent enough. The real difference is Lebron > Embiid and Wade> Simmons. And even Miami really needed Bosh as the series against Boston kind of showcased....

Celtics with Tatum/Brown/other good players have NOT come as close to Philly with Embiid/Simmons/other players to winning a title and no one seriously talks that much about Tatum/Brown being a bad fit together with a tremendous need to get rid of one of them. Celtics have had more consistent success and have had their key young players miss a lot less time. But Philly clearly came closer to a championship, the year they almost beat the team, Toronto, that won it all.

Not necessarily you but people talk like last years playoffs was a failure of Embiid/Simmons when Simmons didn't play a second in the playoffs.

Last year in the playoffs, showed Philly misses a lot of what Simmons bring to the table.

I think Philly and Houston both made the right decision here. Harden is obviously better than Simmons right now but I think people are sleeping on Simmons if they don't think he can be a top 25 player for 5+ years. Historically, in the NBA a player like that deserves to have more value than a 31 year old James Harden. And instead he had less value than Harden since people like to believe Harden will still be James Harden 4 years from now. I don't think he will be and I am on record in this forum stating Lebron would age really well. I don't think Harden will age nearly as well.

But Houston was better off just betting on a Nets collapse given the high mileage/age on Harden, KD's injury risk, and Kyrie not being that good as a 2 way player. If Harden or KD get hurt, a few of those picks are going to be better than folks expect.

[Celtics1918]

20+ unless you've drafted them is the fairest, imo. Cause for any franchise if you've drafted your players, it'd be **** to lose them cause of a rule. Tbh, the league is trash and Silver is pretty bad, league is trending in a bad direction and I do expect lockdown soon.

The solution is way easier than that IMO. Just have a "franchise tag", one per team, that player can be paid a lot more than the non-franchise max, but they don't get UFA.

Or just get rid of UFA altogether and replace it with RFA. Full team control at all times.

NBAPA won't agree to that. They have to agree on a drastic change like that. Franchise tag has zero percent chance of happening.

Then have age restriction where they can't be drafted until they're 20 or 21 they stay in college or the G League and still can earn a salary. It would eliminate players becoming free agents in there prime for teams like NY or CA, MA or we can just watch and repeat Anthony Davis move. NBAPA would oppose it, but with sneaker deals and the money they make from them players would cave quickly. Think about it Ja Morant and Zion Williamson are onwing their skills for a team in NY or CA right now.

[Captain_Caveman]

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So true. Philly should have moved him for Harden

Just let him take jumpers all day. Thats how you beat Philly

He needs to play with the Warriors. Stop putting this guy outside. Put him inside with space to operate.

[leper-con]

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So true. Philly should have moved him for Harden

Just let him take jumpers all day. Thats how you beat Philly

He needs to play with the Warriors. Stop putting this guy outside. Put him inside with space to operate.

He should be used much like Sabonis in Indiana. But Embiid gets in his way.

[Captain_Caveman]

Allegedly Simmons was offer and Houston took Brooklyn's offer instead. I agree with the comedian that Ben would look a lot better playing in a spread offensive system but it's pretty clear the guy doesn't work on his game enough to be the top guy on a title team. He's closer to Rondo than he is to Giannis.

I think when he knows his game is capped, due to his circumstances, he checks out. He's still one of the most gifted players in the NBA. I think he's known for years his situation isn't optimal for his game and just stops caring. He's been playing like he did when he went to college, like he's just trying to play out the string until he's able to get to a better place. He'll eventually be moved because it'll never work with him and Embiid.

It really already has worked out okay with Embiid and Simmons when Philly added Jimmy Butler. Despite not having much time at all to integrate Butler, 76ers were literally inches from probably winning a title but Leonard hit a big shot and Toronto won the series in 7.

Given enough players not improving there outside shooting and Simmons seemingly not heavily prioritizing it from day 1 in the NBA, I doubt the Embiid/Simmons combination wins a title without a lot of help.

But the reason they won't win, speaks more to Philly's talent level as a team not being quite good enough and less to the Embiid/Simmons pairing being a bad fit together. Embiid/Simmons have probably as much synergy on the court together as Lebron/Wade. Far from perfect but still decent enough. The real difference is Lebron > Embiid and Wade> Simmons. And even Miami really needed Bosh as the series against Boston kind of showcased....

Celtics with Tatum/Brown/other good players have NOT come as close to Philly with Embiid/Simmons/other players to winning a title and no one seriously talks that much about Tatum/Brown being a bad fit together with a tremendous need to get rid of one of them. Celtics have had more consistent success and have had their key young players miss a lot less time. But Philly clearly came closer to a championship, the year they almost beat the team, Toronto, that won it all.

Not necessarily you but people talk like last years playoffs was a failure of Embiid/Simmons when Simmons didn't play a second in the playoffs.

Last year in the playoffs, showed Philly misses a lot of what Simmons bring to the table.

I think Philly and Houston both made the right decision here. Harden is obviously better than Simmons right now but I think people are sleeping on Simmons if they don't think he can be a top 25 player for 5+ years. Historically, in the NBA a player like that deserves to have more value than a 31 year old James Harden. And instead he had less value than Harden since people like to believe Harden will still be James Harden 4 years from now. I don't think he will be and I am on record in this forum stating Lebron would age really well. I don't think Harden will age nearly as well.

But Houston was better off just betting on a Nets collapse given the high mileage/age on Harden, KD's injury risk, and Kyrie not being that good as a 2 way player. If Harden or KD get hurt, a few of those picks are going to be better than folks expect.

That Sixers-Raptors series was in the 2nd round, not the ECFs. Sixers would have had to make it through the Bucks and then gotten the same injury luck vs the Warriors (Durant torn achilles and Klay torn ACL in same series).

Not only has the Celts young core made the ECFs twice already with young and injured teams, they were definitely closer to a title in the bubble than the Sixers have ever been during The Process.

As to fit, the two Jays fit together fine. Embiid and Simmons do not. Both need to play inside in the halfcourt. Simmons would also fare better in more of an uptempo game, where you want to slow things down for Joel.

[GoGreen]

Simmons and Embiid in Philly just isn't going to work. If Morey can find a good piece for Embiid, he should do it and get rid of Ben.

[JediMasterRevan]

I personally like simmons as a center.

Would look good on the celtics.

[djFan71]

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So true. Philly should have moved him for Harden

Just let him take jumpers all day. Thats how you beat Philly

He needs to play with the Warriors. Stop putting this guy outside. Put him inside with space to operate.

Who says no?

PHI: Beal for Simmons
GSW: Simmons for Wiseman, Oubre, Poole, MIN pick
WAS: Min pick, Wiseman, Oubre, Poole for Beal

[Disinformation]

Just let him take jumpers all day. Thats how you beat Philly

He needs to play with the Warriors. Stop putting this guy outside. Put him inside with space to operate.

Who says no?

PHI: Beal for Simmons
GSW: Simmons for Wiseman, Oubre, Poole, MIN pick
WAS: Min pick, Wiseman, Oubre, Poole for Beal

I do, because that would help Philly a lot.

[FlatearthZorro]

Allegedly Simmons was offer and Houston took Brooklyn's offer instead. I agree with the comedian that Ben would look a lot better playing in a spread offensive system but it's pretty clear the guy doesn't work on his game enough to be the top guy on a title team. He's closer to Rondo than he is to Giannis.

True. Aside from very small improvements, he is who he was when the 6ers drafted him.

[FlatearthZorro]

He needs to play with the Warriors. Stop putting this guy outside. Put him inside with space to operate.

Who says no?

PHI: Beal for Simmons
GSW: Simmons for Wiseman, Oubre, Poole, MIN pick
WAS: Min pick, Wiseman, Oubre, Poole for Beal

I do, because that would help Philly a lot.

Simmons and Green on the same team would be extremely bad for the Warriors with Klay out. Teams will literally 3-pple team Steph every time he touches the ball, cause they'd know that Simmons and Green can hit the ocean from a boat.

[Parliament10]

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Yeah, that's a Big NO.

[zoyathedestroya]

Don't wanna rain on the Nets parade but the Celtics are beating them in the playoffs if they do meet this season. Not basing that prediction on anything other than the fact that I'm a Celtics fan.