Jeff Green Traded to the Memphis Grizzlies (official woj tweet page 1)

laploutocratie · Post #941 » by **laploutocratie** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 8:57 pm

LarryBirdsFingr wrote:At one point 99% of this board wanted rivers on this team, just reminding you of your initial impressions

Am I dumb for still wanting him on this team, and for thinking he can turn it around.

SichtingLives · Post #942 » by **SichtingLives** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 8:59 pm

Valid wrote:
thebirdman wrote:Some people really can`t read it seems...

We get Rivers instead of Salmons and people are complaining... SMH

We could have gotten Anthony Davis, and people still would have found something to complain about.

That unibrow is ridiculous Red would never stand for such an unkempt sloppy look!!!

rickrolled · Post #943 » by **rickrolled** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:00 pm

I prefer Rivers over Salmonella, but they both stink and have no future in Boston, looks like Ainge is willing to make a big splash this summer.

ermocrate · Post #944 » by **ermocrate** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:00 pm

Drax wrote:
FakeScreenName123 wrote:So stoked for Austin Rivers. Very exited to root for him while 80% of board hates him. He's exactly the type of player this team needs to bring in.

I'll join your club, i like Rivers skill set for our team. Hopefully a guard in attack mode every time he's on the floor someone who can attack the paint!

I agree, plus he is in the C's environment since he was 12...

bbd24 · Post #945 » by **bbd24** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:00 pm

laploutocratie wrote:
LarryBirdsFingr wrote:At one point 99% of this board wanted rivers on this team, just reminding you of your initial impressions

Am I dumb for still wanting him on this team, and for thinking he can turn it around.

He's 22. What pick would he be in this years draft ?

He can turn it around and then some. He's better than Pressey IMO, & that's just today.

avi623 · Post #946 » by **avi623** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:00 pm

Valid wrote:
avi623 wrote:While I'm not upset that we're bringing in Rivers, I'm not sure where he fits here. There are already a number of guards -- Smart, Bradley, Nelson, Pressey, Turner -- who he will be competing for minutes with. Maybe he gets flipped somewhere else, or we buy out Nelson. The first round pick is nice, but I'd like to see the protections. It could turn into multiple second rounders sometime mid-century like the protected Minny pick we got from Phoenix.

While I was hoping to get more for Green at the start of the year, now that it's become clear he's going to opt out of his contract, we had very little leverage. I think we have to accept the haul we got. I was hoping to nab either Jordan Adams or Jarnell Stokes, but I think those are both guys Memphis values down the road, since each graded out highly prior to the draft per advanced metrics (remember Hollinger is still in the Memphis front office).

Nelson will likely either be bought out or traded, and I'm sure the front office will be more interested in developing Rivers than Pressey (whom I actually like). Don't be surprised to see Turner get moved at some point, too.

Agreed. And personally, I would rather move or waive both Turner/Nelson and keep Pressey AND Rivers if we have to make more moves. Unfortunately, Turner doesn't really have a lot of value in the eyes of (competent) front offices around the league.

Ed Pinkney · Post #947 » by **Ed Pinkney** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:01 pm

Don't really understand any Rivers hate. As many have mentioned, he is expiring, younger than Olynyk and does have some skill. If Stevens likes what he says over the remainder of the season, there is potential because of his play to date to get him back on an Evan Turner type deal which in the big picture salary cap wise is almost nothing. If some other team throws money at him let him go, no big deal. If he really shows nothing he will be getting DNPs with Gerry.

My only issue is that Thornton really needs to go in a trade now so they can find minutes for Rivers and Young. Or do people think his natural position is more of point guard?

BannersOnly · Post #948 » by **BannersOnly** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:01 pm

bbd24 wrote:
CelticFaninLBC wrote:Rivers = the 2nd coming of Sebastain Telfair..... Ainge loves the guy for some reason

Only 22. Would probably go top 10 in this year's draft.

Continue the development and see what you come out with. Different system = different player

bbd24 · Post #949 » by **bbd24** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:01 pm

avi623 wrote:
Valid wrote:
avi623 wrote:While I'm not upset that we're bringing in Rivers, I'm not sure where he fits here. There are already a number of guards -- Smart, Bradley, Nelson, Pressey, Turner -- who he will be competing for minutes with. Maybe he gets flipped somewhere else, or we buy out Nelson. The first round pick is nice, but I'd like to see the protections. It could turn into multiple second rounders sometime mid-century like the protected Minny pick we got from Phoenix.

While I was hoping to get more for Green at the start of the year, now that it's become clear he's going to opt out of his contract, we had very little leverage. I think we have to accept the haul we got. I was hoping to nab either Jordan Adams or Jarnell Stokes, but I think those are both guys Memphis values down the road, since each graded out highly prior to the draft per advanced metrics (remember Hollinger is still in the Memphis front office).

Nelson will likely either be bought out or traded, and I'm sure the front office will be more interested in developing Rivers than Pressey (whom I actually like). Don't be surprised to see Turner get moved at some point, too.

Agreed. And personally, I would rather move or waive both Turner/Nelson and keep Pressey AND Rivers if we have to make more moves. Unfortunately, Turner doesn't really have a lot of value in the eyes of (competent) front offices around the league.

Turner's got no shot whatsoever at being waived. It's not a Josh Smith deal. That would be completely out of touch if Turner is waived.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #950 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:02 pm

avi623 wrote:While I'm not upset that we're bringing in Rivers, I'm not sure where he fits here. There are already a number of guards -- Smart, Bradley, Nelson, Pressey, Turner -- who he will be competing for minutes with. Maybe he gets flipped somewhere else, or we buy out Nelson. The first round pick is nice, but I'd like to see the protections. It could turn into multiple second rounders sometime mid-century like the protected Minny pick we got from Phoenix.

Turner/Smart/Rivers
Bradley/Thornton/Rivers

Nelson is gone. Pressey can wait his turn. Turner can play a little small forward, Thornton is a question mark. Austin has plenty of minutes if Thornton is waived or traded.. And Rivers is an audition anyway- they want to get a look at him up close in practice and see how he responds in a different environment.. The guy was horribly developed in NOP, FWIW..

Tayshaun is the real story for me- do we keep him on as a vet presence, waive him, or try to flip him for an asset?

SMTBSI · Post #951 » by **SMTBSI** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:03 pm

The reported alternatives to Rivers were Salmons or Pondexter. There's absolutely no way this doesn't improve the trade for us. Even if only by a teeny tiny bit.

At the very least: Rivers is worth a few minutes if for no other reason than that he's still young, which makes Thornton even more expendable than he already was.

Which makes it even less likely that Trader Danny is done.

brackdan70 · Post #952 » by **brackdan70** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:04 pm

laploutocratie wrote:
LarryBirdsFingr wrote:At one point 99% of this board wanted rivers on this team, just reminding you of your initial impressions

Am I dumb for still wanting him on this team, and for thinking he can turn it around.

not at all. kid is 22 yo, 6'5" in shoes. 6'7" wingspan, 32inch standing vert, 37 inch vert. 2+ years NBA experience. shot decent from 3 last year...He could definitely turn into something still. Better than anything we will find in 2nd round of this draft. so to get him as a throw in basically is not too shabby

CelticFaninLBC · Post #953 » by **CelticFaninLBC** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:05 pm

andy582 wrote:
avi623 wrote:While I'm not upset that we're bringing in Rivers, I'm not sure where he fits here. There are already a number of guards -- Smart, Bradley, Nelson, Pressey, Turner -- who he will be competing for minutes with. Maybe he gets flipped somewhere else, or we buy out Nelson. The first round pick is nice, but I'd like to see the protections. It could turn into multiple second rounders sometime mid-century like the protected Minny pick we got from Phoenix.

Turner/Smart/Rivers
Bradley/Thornton/Rivers

Nelson is gone. Pressey can wait his turn. Turner can play a little small forward, Thornton is a question mark. Austin has plenty of minutes if Thornton is waived or traded.. And Rivers is an audition anyway- they want to get a look at him up close in practice and see how he responds in a different environment.. The guy was horribly developed in NOP, FWIW..

Tayshaun is the real story for me- do we keep him on as a vet presence, waive him, or try to flip him for an asset?

I suspect Thornton's gone soon, but Turner could get some minutes @ the 3, while they gradually break in Young...

Post #954 » by **Slartibartfast** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:07 pm

SMTBSI wrote:The reported alternatives to Rivers were Salmons or Pondexter. There's absolutely no way this doesn't improve the trade for us. Even if only by a teeny tiny bit.

At the very least: Rivers is worth a few minutes if for no other reason that he's still young, which makes Thornton even more expendable than he already was.

Which makes it even less likely that Trader Danny is done.

And a fresh young face with once upon a time lotto talent will be a lot more interesting to watch than Nelson/Thornton down the stretch.

I like ballhandlers with size and passing ability next to Smart - if Rivers can be salvaged it's a good fit.

klemen4 · Post #955 » by **klemen4** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:10 pm

IT will be really really hard to trade Thornton and his 8,6 mill exp. contract, but if not now after trade deadline he must be bough out.

Same goes for Nelson and Prince.

avi623 · Post #956 » by **avi623** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:11 pm

andy582 wrote:
avi623 wrote:While I'm not upset that we're bringing in Rivers, I'm not sure where he fits here. There are already a number of guards -- Smart, Bradley, Nelson, Pressey, Turner -- who he will be competing for minutes with. Maybe he gets flipped somewhere else, or we buy out Nelson. The first round pick is nice, but I'd like to see the protections. It could turn into multiple second rounders sometime mid-century like the protected Minny pick we got from Phoenix.

Turner/Smart/Rivers
Bradley/Thornton/Rivers

Nelson is gone. Pressey can wait his turn. Turner can play a little small forward, Thornton is a question mark. Austin has plenty of minutes if Thornton is waived or traded.. And Rivers is an audition anyway- they want to get a look at him up close in practice and see how he responds in a different environment.. The guy was horribly developed in NOP, FWIW..

Tayshaun is the real story for me- do we keep him on as a vet presence, waive him, or try to flip him for an asset?

Tayshaun almost certainly gets waived. We don't need another veteran presence at SF who stinks up the joint when he actually has to step onto the floor -- we have Gerald Wallace for that role.

Also, this Evan Turner experiment at PG needs to come to a merciful end. If we're going to lose, I'd rather lose with Smart getting his sea legs at PG than Turner -- at the very least, we will get a clearer look at what we actually have in him as a player.

CelticsPride18 · Post #957 » by **CelticsPride18** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:11 pm

There is nothing wrong in taking a flyer on Austin Rivers.

bbd24 · Post #958 » by **bbd24** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:11 pm

Low risk, high reward move in Rivers. If anybody knows Rivers, it's Ainge. Put him in a position to succeed. IMO, he's far better than Pressey. 22 years old still, a senior in college, if that.

laploutocratie · Post #959 » by **laploutocratie** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:13 pm

Not to mention he's been with the organization since he was really young. So he's coming into a situation that he grew up around and is comfortable with.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAyA8BV-cTI[/youtube]

0:57 for a baby Austin :rofl:

Shamrock · Post #960 » by **Shamrock** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:22 pm

I'm fine with getting Rivers... We already know what Salmons/Prince and Thornton are at this point, makes it a little more exciting to see if Rivers can turn it around. I'd rather watch young players who could POSSIBLY have a future on this team rather than some old scrubs that will be gone for SURE at the end of the year.