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All things Draft Pick. #3

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Re: All things Draft Pick. #3 

Post#941 » by winsomme2 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:31 pm

LarryBirdsFingr wrote:Viper, this deal makes that more of a reality.



Only if at some point you're getting star players which at this point is seriously in doubt.

Agree or disagree but Fultz has a legit shot at being a franchise talent based on his skill set. His motor may be in question but his skills are those of the premier guards in the league
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Re: All things Draft Pick. #3 

Post#942 » by BigTrade92 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:32 pm

Slartibartfast wrote:
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BigTrade92 wrote:So would you guys do the #3 + salary straight up for George, no extension?


Protected clippers pick (17-24)

That's it


That's silly. That's what Ainge gave up for half a season of Toine. A season of PG is worth considerably more.


Yeah I don't see how #3 is that out of the world for George.

Problem is we don't even have enough salary on the books to dump, so it end up being Crowder + Zeller for him.
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Re: All things Draft Pick. #3 

Post#943 » by aim2please » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:32 pm

ViperGTS wrote:
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aim2please wrote:Crazy thought, that's probably pointless at this point. But is there a chance that the PHI-BOS deal is altered now that it seems like PG could end up in LA before the season starts? Not honoring an agreement is a big no-no, but I feel these circumstances are different.

After this news, value of that LAL pick went down. If PG is playing for the Lakers, that pick would have minimal chance of being 2-5, and C's suddenly have only 1 shot of getting valuable lotto pick back. That was part of the value.


Lemon laws!


If that deal wasn't negotiated with that exact scenario in mind by Danny, then that's another in the fireable offense category.


Man, you need to chill.

The fact that the pick is not conveyed if it's lower than 5 is a clear sign that possibility of Lakers improving was considered. PG coming out with this statement today, even thought 3 days ago he was on the record saying that he'll play out his contract with the Pacers, is not something you can predict. Hence, my original post.
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Timing of this was planned by the Lakers to screw up Celtics.
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Re: All things Draft Pick. #3 

Post#944 » by reload141 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:32 pm

If we think we can retain PG13 then I don't mind offering A high pick (next years LA one for example) and other low first rounder or two.
Then we've effectively spilt our #1 into the #3 and PG13.
If anything Lakers might panic and try to beat the offer which is good for us also as we would then get the Sac pick... win-win
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Re: All things Draft Pick. #3 

Post#945 » by ParticleMan » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:34 pm

no chance on the #3 for PG. we know he's a rental now.

but i think they might be enticed with a package of lower picks. memphis, our 2018, and our first 2nd rounder this year. they need to restock, and this gives them something for nothing. they know they aren't going anywhere next year, and they can get a jump on their rebuild and give the lakers a FU along the way.
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Re: All things Draft Pick. #3 

Post#946 » by ViperGTS » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:35 pm

aim2please wrote:
ViperGTS wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
Lemon laws!


If that deal wasn't negotiated with that exact scenario in mind by Danny, then that's another in the fireable offense category.


Man, you need to chill.

The fact that the pick is not conveyed if it's lower than 5 is a clear sign that possibility of Lakers improving was considered. PG coming out with this statement today, even thought 3 days ago he was on a record saying that he'll play out his contract with the Pacers, is not something you can predict. Hence, my original post.
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Timing of this was planned by the Lakers to screw up Celtics.


Nah it wasn't the Lakers. Pretty sure Danny had this in mind. He would be a bad GM if he didn't and PG has been ticketed for LA for over a year now. Everyone knows it. He can't block a trade but why give up an asset.

Same with drafting Ball. He'll bolt for LA first opportunity.
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Re: All things Draft Pick. #3 

Post#947 » by Curmudgeon » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:35 pm

aim2please wrote:Crazy thought, that's probably pointless at this point. But is there a chance that the PHI-BOS deal is altered now that it seems like PG could end up in LA before the season starts? Not honoring an agreement is a big no-no, but I feel these circumstances are different.

After this news, value of that LAL pick went down. If PG is playing for the Lakers, that pick would have minimal chance of being 2-5, and C's suddenly have only 1 shot of getting valuable lotto pick back. That was part of the value.


No, it went up. Why would the Lakers give anything for PG13 when they can get him next year for free? Meanwhile, the Lakers can't sign decent free agents because they need the cap space to sign George.
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Re: All things Draft Pick. #3 

Post#948 » by ViperGTS » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:37 pm

ParticleMan wrote:no chance on the #3 for PG. we know he's a rental now.

but i think they might be enticed with a package of lower picks. memphis, our 2018, and our first 2nd rounder this year. they need to restock, and this gives them something for nothing. they know they aren't going anywhere next year, and they can get a jump on their rebuild and give the lakers a FU along the way.



That's a very fair package.
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Re: All things Draft Pick. #3 

Post#949 » by Darthlukey » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:39 pm

ViperGTS wrote:
ParticleMan wrote:no chance on the #3 for PG. we know he's a rental now.

but i think they might be enticed with a package of lower picks. memphis, our 2018, and our first 2nd rounder this year. they need to restock, and this gives them something for nothing. they know they aren't going anywhere next year, and they can get a jump on their rebuild and give the lakers a FU along the way.



That's a very fair package.

In this proposal do we trade salary as well or use cap space? I'm guessing salary
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Re: All things Draft Pick. #3 

Post#950 » by aim2please » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:40 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:
aim2please wrote:Crazy thought, that's probably pointless at this point. But is there a chance that the PHI-BOS deal is altered now that it seems like PG could end up in LA before the season starts? Not honoring an agreement is a big no-no, but I feel these circumstances are different.

After this news, value of that LAL pick went down. If PG is playing for the Lakers, that pick would have minimal chance of being 2-5, and C's suddenly have only 1 shot of getting valuable lotto pick back. That was part of the value.


No, it went up. Why would the Lakers give anything for PG13 when they can get him next year for free? Meanwhile, the Lakers can't sign decent free agents because they need the cap space to sign George.


Maybe the value of the pick didn't went down but it definitely didn't went up. Lakers not signing anyone long term was common knowledge IMO. I think most people expected them to get a little bit better just because their young guys will improve + they won't tank like last season.
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Re: All things Draft Pick. #3 

Post#951 » by The Corey's » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:41 pm

Slartibartfast wrote:
The Corey's wrote:
BigTrade92 wrote:So would you guys do the #3 + salary straight up for George, no extension?


Protected clippers pick (17-24)

That's it


That's silly. That's what Ainge gave up for half a season of Toine. A season of PG is worth considerably more.


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Re: All things Draft Pick. #3 

Post#952 » by Green_teamer » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:41 pm

Avery Bradley Zeller bos 18 Memphis 18 clippers pick
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Post#953 » by ViperGTS » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:43 pm

Darthlukey wrote:
ViperGTS wrote:
ParticleMan wrote:no chance on the #3 for PG. we know he's a rental now.

but i think they might be enticed with a package of lower picks. memphis, our 2018, and our first 2nd rounder this year. they need to restock, and this gives them something for nothing. they know they aren't going anywhere next year, and they can get a jump on their rebuild and give the lakers a FU along the way.



That's a very fair package.

In this proposal do we trade salary as well or use cap space? I'm guessing salary


Probably salary. Someone who knows much more about the economics of such a trade is far better to answe that question.
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Re: All things Draft Pick. #3 

Post#954 » by ParticleMan » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:44 pm

Darthlukey wrote:
ViperGTS wrote:
ParticleMan wrote:no chance on the #3 for PG. we know he's a rental now.

but i think they might be enticed with a package of lower picks. memphis, our 2018, and our first 2nd rounder this year. they need to restock, and this gives them something for nothing. they know they aren't going anywhere next year, and they can get a jump on their rebuild and give the lakers a FU along the way.



That's a very fair package.

In this proposal do we trade salary as well or use cap space? I'm guessing salary


we'd be using our cap space for PG13. it's "only" 19.3m. so we just have to send picks.
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Re: All things Draft Pick. #3 

Post#955 » by Andrew McCeltic » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:45 pm

Green_teamer wrote:Avery Bradley Zeller bos 18 Memphis 18 clippers pick


We make that deal, we can only do a sign and trade for Blake. Just hope Danny doesn't give up the BKN 18, I want a franchise center in that draft, even a chance at one is too good to pass up.
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Re: All things Draft Pick. #3 

Post#956 » by ViperGTS » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:45 pm

ParticleMan wrote:
Darthlukey wrote:
ViperGTS wrote:

That's a very fair package.

In this proposal do we trade salary as well or use cap space? I'm guessing salary


we'd be using our cap space for PG13. it's "only" 19.3m. so we just have to send picks.


This would preclude a FA signing without dumping numerous contracts correct?
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Re: All things Draft Pick. #3 

Post#957 » by BigTrade92 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:46 pm

ParticleMan wrote:no chance on the #3 for PG. we know he's a rental now.

but i think they might be enticed with a package of lower picks. memphis, our 2018, and our first 2nd rounder this year. they need to restock, and this gives them something for nothing. they know they aren't going anywhere next year, and they can get a jump on their rebuild and give the lakers a FU along the way.


Two high firsts and a second? Pretty sure some treadmill team like Portland will overpay for a year of him and beat that package easily.
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Re: All things Draft Pick. #3 

Post#958 » by Andrew McCeltic » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:46 pm

To absorb George's money, we have to renounce enough holds to get 19 million under the cap. Or 11 million, if we're trading Bradley.
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Re: All things Draft Pick. #3 

Post#959 » by ParticleMan » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:48 pm

BigTrade92 wrote:
ParticleMan wrote:no chance on the #3 for PG. we know he's a rental now.

but i think they might be enticed with a package of lower picks. memphis, our 2018, and our first 2nd rounder this year. they need to restock, and this gives them something for nothing. they know they aren't going anywhere next year, and they can get a jump on their rebuild and give the lakers a FU along the way.


Two high firsts and a second? Pretty sure some treadmill team will overpay for a year of him and beat that package easily.


let them, so long as it's not LAL.

LAL doesn't have much incentive to trade for PG when they know he's coming. but this would ensure that they don't get him a year early and ruin our chance for a top pick next year. even tho the sacto pick might actually work out better anyways...
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Re: All things Draft Pick. #3 

Post#960 » by BigTrade92 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:49 pm

ParticleMan wrote:
BigTrade92 wrote:
ParticleMan wrote:no chance on the #3 for PG. we know he's a rental now.

but i think they might be enticed with a package of lower picks. memphis, our 2018, and our first 2nd rounder this year. they need to restock, and this gives them something for nothing. they know they aren't going anywhere next year, and they can get a jump on their rebuild and give the lakers a FU along the way.


Two high firsts and a second? Pretty sure some treadmill team will overpay for a year of him and beat that package easily.


let them, so long as it's not LAL.

LAL doesn't have much incentive to trade for PG when they know he's coming. but this would ensure that they don't get him a year early and ruin our chance for a top pick next year. even tho the sacto pick might actually work out better anyways...


Yeah I'd want LA to get him now. Sacramento's pick will be better.

But, who the hell knows what protection is on that pick too..... :banghead:

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