Boston All-Sports Thread

[K For Three]

Cam stans a little quiet.

There’s some whispers that his shoulder is toast.

He also had covid.

Not sure I am loving this situation but we'll see what happens lol.

[ConstableGeneva]

Boston team lets go of a Mook, an LA team makes it to the NBA Finals (wins title).
Boston team lets go a Mookie, an LA team makes it to the World Series (??).

I feel like there's a lesson to be learned here.

[Captain_Caveman]

Cam stans a little quiet.

As have Stidham stans.

Name 25 better QBs. Ill wait.

Our offense is averaging 19 points a game, and Cam just completely **** the bed vs a terrible Broncos team today. McDaniels had to draw up multiple passing plays from a WR in the fourth quarter. Settle dowwwwwwwn.

But since you asked, here's 25: Wilson, Mahomes, Lamar, Watson, Brees, Brady, Big Ben, Tannehill, Prescott, Murray, Rodgers, Ryan, Minshew, Garoppolo, Brady, Herbert, Burrow, Stafford, Carr, Allen, Fitzpatrick, Bridgewater, Wentz, Foles, Mayfield.

Oops, put Brady in there twice. Throw Goff in there, then.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Yeah, but also look at the other 3.5 seasons since his Super Bowl year. Odds he lasts the season producing as he did in those first 8 games of 2018 are minimal IMO, especially after logging multiple significant injuries since then. FWIW, schedule was pretty weak for those 8 games. Considering that they got Baltimore just before they switched to Lamar, the best team they played was probably the Cowboys in Week 1?

IMO, if he stays healthy, Cam is probably the 25-30th best QB at best. I think Stidham can do that too, without eating into next year's cap. And he has higher upside for the future.

Like, , this was your take. Did you watch the KC game? How can you even try to take a victory lap

Dude, literally nothing inaccurate about what I said in that post. Our offense has been trash, while playing against trashy defenses.

Also... pretty sure it was the Cam stans taking victory laps after the Seahawks game (a loss, no less). Dude couldn't hit the ocean from further than 50 feet away, and won't hold up to this usage in the running game. I don't see the point of him.

Stidham isnt a top 50 qb in the NFL and there isnt 25 better QBs than Cam. Literally everything you said is wrong.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Cam stans a little quiet.

As have Stidham stans.

Name 25 better QBs. Ill wait.

Our offense is averaging 19 points a game, and Cam just completely **** the bed vs a terrible Broncos team today. McDaniels had to draw up multiple passing plays from a WR in the fourth quarter. Settle dowwwwwwwn.

But since you asked, here's 25: Wilson, Mahomes, Lamar, Watson, Brees, Brady, Big Ben, Tannehill, Prescott, Murray, Rodgers, Ryan, Minshew, Garoppolo, Brady, Herbert, Burrow, Stafford, Carr, Allen, Fitzpatrick, Bridgewater, Wentz, Foles, Mayfield.

Our offense is averaging 19 points a game cuz your including the game that Hoyer [who your boy terrifyingly couldnt beat out] and Stidham [your boy!!!] threw up all over themselves. Hard to blame that one on Cam, who theyre averaging 25 PPG with. Settle dowwwwwwwn.

Jimmy G was benched two weeks ago for struggling vs the same Dolphins team Cam beat. He’s a system QB that SF will move on from this offseason.

Minshew aint better than Cam, he’s a fun story cuz he’s weird and his stats get inflated cuz he plays so much in garbage time.

Burrow will be better than Cam. He isnt now.

David Carr has actual weapons to throw to, that doesnt make him better.

Ryan Fitzpatrick isnt better— two of his wins came against the Jags and the Flacco-led Jets. This one is laughable.

Wentz is having a worse year on a team with better weapons than Cam— weird how you give him a pass.

Foles is garbage and you know it

Goff, like Garopolo, is just a system QB.


To be honest, youre a better poster than this. The Patriots have the worst skill position group in the NFL. They lost a game where they hadnt practiced in two weeks and were down 3 starting lineman as well as their top back-up. This is is when you victory lap? Guess the plastic fans melt in football, too.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Our offense is averaging 19 points a game, and Cam just completely **** the bed vs a terrible Broncos team today. McDaniels had to draw up multiple passing plays from a WR in the fourth quarter. Settle dowwwwwwwn.

But since you asked, here's 25: Wilson, Mahomes, Lamar, Watson, Brees, Brady, Big Ben, Tannehill, Prescott, Murray, Rodgers, Ryan, Minshew, Garoppolo, Brady, Herbert, Burrow, Stafford, Carr, Allen, Fitzpatrick, Bridgewater, Wentz, Foles, Mayfield.

I'd take Cam over Stafford, Wentz, Mayfield, Fitz, situationally Tannehill (great game manager), and I'd place him in the same tier as Murray/Carr/Garropolo.

I miss Brady's competitive fire, and his subtle intensity. But he spoiled us.

I obviously don't agree, but I really don't agree with putting him on the Murray, Jimmy G level, or above Tannehill.

Jimmy G literally was just benched for performance. Its easy to conflate SFs offensive performance as a testament to Jimmy G but its wrong— Kyle Shanahan has schemed up everything and is the reason he looks good. He’s done this to QBs his entire career and theres a reason SF doesnt look materially different without him. Its the same thing with Goff and McVay. Theyre just vessels.

The 49ers will be able to move on from him for only a little dead money this offseason. Expect them to go that route.

[Captain_Caveman]

As have Stidham stans.

Name 25 better QBs. Ill wait.

Our offense is averaging 19 points a game, and Cam just completely **** the bed vs a terrible Broncos team today. McDaniels had to draw up multiple passing plays from a WR in the fourth quarter. Settle dowwwwwwwn.

But since you asked, here's 25: Wilson, Mahomes, Lamar, Watson, Brees, Brady, Big Ben, Tannehill, Prescott, Murray, Rodgers, Ryan, Minshew, Garoppolo, Brady, Herbert, Burrow, Stafford, Carr, Allen, Fitzpatrick, Bridgewater, Wentz, Foles, Mayfield.

Our offense is averaging 19 points a game cuz your including the game that Hoyer [who your boy terrifyingly couldnt beat out] and Stidham [your boy!!!] threw up all over themselves. Hard to blame that one on Cam, who theyre averaging 25 PPG with. Settle dowwwwwwwn.

Jimmy G was benched two weeks ago for struggling vs the same Dolphins team Cam beat.

Minshew aint better than Cam, he’s a fun story cuz he’s weird and his stats get inflated cuz he plays so much in garbage time.

Burrow will be better than Cam. He isnt now.

David Carr has actual weapons to throw to, that doesnt make him better.

Ryan Fitzpatrick isnt better— two of his wins came against the Jags and the Flacco-led Jets. This one is laughable.

Wentz is having a worse year on a team with better weapons than Cam— weird how you give him a pass.

Foles is garbage and you know it


To be honest, youre a better poster than this. The Patriots have the worst skill position group in the NFL. They lost a game where they hadnt practiced in two weeks and were down 3 starting lineman as well as their top back-up. This is is when you victory lap?

There have to be better hills to die on than this. Our offensive supporting cast sucking isn't news. If anything, The o-line has overperformed to date. Not like Bill is ever going to tank, but this was a punt year all the way. Our entire ability to contend moving forward depends on how well we can take advantage of the cap next year.

Cam is asswater like David Lee. Comparing him to Jimmy G is ridiculous, and I am not even a big Jimmy guy.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Our offense is averaging 19 points a game, and Cam just completely **** the bed vs a terrible Broncos team today. McDaniels had to draw up multiple passing plays from a WR in the fourth quarter. Settle dowwwwwwwn.

But since you asked, here's 25: Wilson, Mahomes, Lamar, Watson, Brees, Brady, Big Ben, Tannehill, Prescott, Murray, Rodgers, Ryan, Minshew, Garoppolo, Brady, Herbert, Burrow, Stafford, Carr, Allen, Fitzpatrick, Bridgewater, Wentz, Foles, Mayfield.

Our offense is averaging 19 points a game cuz your including the game that Hoyer [who your boy terrifyingly couldnt beat out] and Stidham [your boy!!!] threw up all over themselves. Hard to blame that one on Cam, who theyre averaging 25 PPG with. Settle dowwwwwwwn.

Jimmy G was benched two weeks ago for struggling vs the same Dolphins team Cam beat.

Minshew aint better than Cam, he’s a fun story cuz he’s weird and his stats get inflated cuz he plays so much in garbage time.

Burrow will be better than Cam. He isnt now.

David Carr has actual weapons to throw to, that doesnt make him better.

Ryan Fitzpatrick isnt better— two of his wins came against the Jags and the Flacco-led Jets. This one is laughable.

Wentz is having a worse year on a team with better weapons than Cam— weird how you give him a pass.

Foles is garbage and you know it


To be honest, youre a better poster than this. The Patriots have the worst skill position group in the NFL. They lost a game where they hadnt practiced in two weeks and were down 3 starting lineman as well as their top back-up. This is is when you victory lap?

There have to be better hills to die on than this. Our offensive supporting cast sucking isn't news. If anything, The o-line has overperformed to date. Not like Bill is ever going to tank, but this was a punt year all the way. Our entire ability to contend moving forward depends on how well we can take advantage of the cap next year.

Cam is asswater like David Lee. Comparing him to Jimmy G is ridiculous, and I am not even a big Jimmy guy.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-rankings-ranking-all-32-nfl-offenses-week-5

18. NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS

If we were just looking at the first three weeks of the season, New England would have come in at No. 8 on this list — that’s how much Cam Newton means to this team and how poorly Brian Hoyer and Jarrett Stidham played. Without Newton against Kansas City, the combination of Hoyer and Stidham helped produce -0.45 expected points added per pass, which was the fourth-worst mark by a Patriots offense in a single game since 2006.

Perhaps the most impressive aspect of Newton’s performance is his downfield passing — a facet he struggled with massively in his final years in Carolina due to injuries. Newton’s passing grade on throws of 10-plus yards is the fifth-highest in the NFL. In those first three weeks of the season, New England ranked first in percentage of run plays generating positive expected points added, and Newton’s designed runs played a big part in that.

Our O-Line has rightfully been incredible because we start a bunch of great players. Our skill players have been atrocious, but, when actually being able to practice, Cam has elevated the hell out of all of them.

Its cool though, melt away plastic fan. 4 OL out, zero practice time and the worst skill group in the NFL and lets go after Cam like he’s the problem.

[BillTheGOAT]

^

LMAO at Jimmy G-string > Cam

[SmartWentCrazy]

^

LMAO at Jimmy G-string > Cam

Jimmy is gonna be our starting QB next year, IMO.

[threrf23]

In fairness to Cave

Jimmy G was benched two weeks ago for struggling vs the same Dolphins team Cam beat. He’s a system QB that SF will move on from this offseason.

I don't trust Jimmy to not make one or two reckless throws per game, and I think he needs to be micromanaged somewhat to excel, sort of like Rich Gannon who took all his play calls from the sideline playing for the Raiders. But I don't think Cam is clearly better than him, all things considered.

Minshew aint better than Cam, he’s a fun story cuz he’s weird and his stats get inflated cuz he plays so much in garbage time.

Completing 68% of passes this season, good TD/INT ratio, charisma. I'd take Minshew over Cam.

Burrow will be better than Cam. He isnt now.

Burrow's got Brady-like intangibles. I'd take him over Cam without blinking.

Ryan Fitzpatrick isnt better— two of his wins came against the Jags and the Flacco-led Jets. This one is laughable.

Journeyman, he at least plays with fire, though.

Foles is garbage and you know it

Foles is sometimes garbage but ****, when he's on, he's on.

Goff, like Garopolo, is just a system QB.

Goff has got an elite arm, at least.

To be honest, youre a better poster than this. The Patriots have the worst skill position group in the NFL. They lost a game where they hadnt practiced in two weeks and were down 3 starting lineman as well as their top back-up. This is is when you victory lap? Guess the plastic fans melt in football, too.

tbh, he ain't a better poster than that. Ego gets in the way.

[SmartWentCrazy]

In fairness to Cave

Jimmy G was benched two weeks ago for struggling vs the same Dolphins team Cam beat. He’s a system QB that SF will move on from this offseason.

I don't trust Jimmy to not make one or two reckless throws per game, and I think he needs to be micromanaged somewhat to excel, sort of like Rich Gannon who took all his play calls from the sideline playing for the Raiders. But I don't think Cam is clearly better than him, all things considered.

What have you said that isnt applied to Cam? The only difference is that Cam opens things up for his wide outs because you:

a) have to limit the man coverage as he’ll take off and get to the second level
B) forces an LB to spy him

Again, Jimmy has significantly better weapons than Cam and Shanahan built a perfect system to pump up QB stats. Its not rocket science.

Minshew aint better than Cam, he’s a fun story cuz he’s weird and his stats get inflated cuz he plays so much in garbage time.

Completing 68% of passes this season, good TD/INT ratio, charisma. I'd take Minshew over Cam.

Yeah, except Minshew picks up the bulk of his stats in garbage time when defense go into prevent which allows him to dip and dunk down the field. Its like Bradford a few years ago.

For the record, Cam too is completing 68% of his passes and is quite charismatic himself. Dont buy this one for one second.

Burrow will be better than Cam. He isnt now.

Burrow's got Brady-like intangibles. I'd take him over Cam without blinking.

He also has instincts like Bledsoe and holds onto the ball too long. He will be better, unquestionably. Hes not better this season.

Ryan Fitzpatrick isnt better— two of his wins came against the Jags and the Flacco-led Jets. This one is laughable.

Journeyman, he at least plays with fire, though.

what does this even mean?

Foles is garbage and you know it

Foles is sometimes garbage but ****, when he's on, he's on.

And when he’s off, people question if he should be starting over Trubisky. And he’s off a lot.

Goff, like Garopolo, is just a system QB.

Goff has got an elite arm, at least.

No one said that last year when he struggled mightily with some injured weapons. Amazing what adding supporting talent can do...

[Captain_Caveman]

Where would you guys rank being able to throw a football among desirable skills for a QB?

[Captain_Caveman]

tbh, he ain't a better poster than that. Ego gets in the way.

No need to get personal. Not my fault people are always trying to go in on me over takes that aren't wrong, lol.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Last three arguments we’ve had:

You- Hayward is going to Opt out and, barring major injury, get a massive deal

Me- he’s opting in and wouldnt get 20M a year on the open market

You: Jaylens extension was a bad deal and we shouldve waited

Me: Jaylen’s extension was a great deal and saved us money from the inevitable max he was going to get as an RFA

You: Stidham is just as good as Cam and Cam isnt a top 25 QB

Me: Stidham is PR and Cam is a top 25 QB

Going 0 for 3 is pretty tough so I get how it would cause you to say that you’d take Foles and Fitzpatrick and Minshew [and Baker, and Jimmy G and...] over Cam cuz he had a bad game coming off of not practicing for two weeks and 4 lineman got hurt. Plastic fans melt.

[Feed Your Head]

[SmartWentCrazy]

Cave, lets come up with parameters and we’ll revisit at a certain date. Im not a fan of the disrespectful stuff and know this could trend to people jumping on you and I’m not about that [for real, I do enjoy you and even enjoy debating with you because, while even if you come at me, we dont go personal and its nice to be challenged].

Edit: How about; if Cam leads us to a winning record, I win. 500 or worse, you win. If we have a winning record in spite of Cam, you win too [ie actively bad].

[Feed Your Head]

My only contribution to this, I know with near certainty that the Pats really do like Stidham as a good starting QB in this league. They just couldn’t pass up Cam on a nothing contract.

[Captain_Caveman]

Last three arguments we’ve had:

You- Hayward is going to Opt out and, barring major injury, get a massive deal

Me- he’s opting in and wouldnt get 20M a year on the open market

You: Jaylens extension was a bad deal and we shouldve waited

Me: Jaylen’s extension was a great deal and saved us money from the inevitable max he was going to get as an RFA

You: Stidham is just as good as Cam and Cam isnt a top 25 QB

Me: Stidham is PR and Cam is a top 25 QB

Going 0 for 3 is pretty tough so I get how it would cause you to say that you’d take Foles and Fitzpatrick and Minshew [and Baker, and Jimmy G and...] over Cam cuz he had a bad game coming off of not practicing for two weeks and 4 lineman got hurt. Plastic fans melt.

Oh, woooooow. You think that maybe a historic global pandemic that took 30-40% or more of the league's revenue away for back-to-back seasons overnight maybe will have some impact on Hayward's decision to opt-in or not? You have to be pretty thirsty to hang an L on me if you are going there. He would obviously get $20m a year on the open market fwiw, even now. Pre_COVID, I think I said it would have been great to give him 3/80 or 3/90 this summer post opt-out? We probably don't have that option anymore, and it won't be a good thing if we are forced to cut costs this offseason.

The Jaylen thing is a bit annoying, because no, that is not what I said. Over and over and over, I said that I understood why we gave him that deal. It is a weak FA class, and we got leveraged into it. I get that. But that doesn't make it a good deal. Giving big money to non-elite players is what teams like the Kings do, and I don't want to be the Kings. The fact that there are bad teams out there who would have given Jaylen the same money or more is meaningless to me. What does mean something to me is that we are a team that is one significant move away, and we can't make that move in part because we now have three non-elite players who are overpaid relative to their impact on the floor. I'm in this for titles and nothing else, and our shot at winning them has taken big hits in part because of those contracts. I would like to think highly enough of the intellect of others to believe all that isn't too much nuance to absorb.

As to Cam, no idea what you are on about. He is not playing well at all. He was putrid vs a terrible team yesterday. 162 passing yards or less in 3 of his 4 games. 2 passing TDs to 4 INTs overall. We have other issues on offense, but this guy literally can't hit anyone past 10 yards. Only time he looked like a halfway decent QB this year was working a Seahawks prevent defense in the middle of the field after they'd lost three middle of the field defenders earlier in the game. It's nice that he can run, but it is a garbage offense, and his broken-down body is not going to hold up to the hits he is taking. When he gets hurt and we go to Stidham, there won't be a drop-off, and we might even improve.

[Captain_Caveman]

Cave, lets come up with parameters and we’ll revisit at a certain date. Im not a fan of the disrespectful stuff and know this could trend to people jumping on you and I’m not about that [for real, I do enjoy you and even enjoy debating with you because, while even if you come at me, we dont go personal and its nice to be challenged].

Edit: How about; if Cam leads us to a winning record, I win. 500 or worse, you win. If we have a winning record in spite of Cam, you win too [ie actively bad].

Oh, I don't care about people jumping on me, believe that. I love this ****. My only thing is don't get personal unless I am allowed to get personal back lol. I have been called all sorts of names just for saying that a washed-up David Lee was asswater, or that Boogie was an overrated cancer not worth trading the Nets picks for. You obviously don't get personal, and we are fine, don't worry about that.

I posted about the Cam stans being quiet after a dog **** performance vs a weak Washington team yesterday in response to those who were taking Week 2 victory laps. I don't see a need for any parameters on this. The truth will come out in the wash. For my money, QB is not that important a position for us this year. We are a middling to slightly below middling team that is in a development year, and I would rather just develop Stidham and flip as much cap as possible over to next year.