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Re: Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20 

Post#941 » by SmartWentCrazy » Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:21 pm

jeremym480 wrote:Hot take alert: On the court, I'm not sure if KAT would even be worth giving up two of either Tatum/Brown and either Hayward/Smart.

I think KAT is great and would love to have him but I think that would just open up another huge hole somewhere in the starting lineup and make our depth (which isn't great in the first place) even worse. I also think that unless it's all of Tatum, Brown and the Memphis pick (in the offseason) then there's still a handful of teams that could beat our best offer.

I don't know... as much as I'd love him I just not sure if there's a deal to be had.


I wouldnt deal Tatum for him. I would deal Brown and Smart, though.

Dude is one of the top shooters in the league and is a big. We’d **** rock teams with him.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20 

Post#942 » by Higgs Boston » Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:25 pm

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Wes-J wrote:Why is everybody infatuated with A. Gordon?

We don't need him.


It's easy:

1. He has a long and decent contract
2. He is a young PF with high potential and we need bigs.
3. He is playing below expectations and his price should be relatively low.
4. He is a orlando magic player, a franchise that isn't considered to be good developing young talent.

It's one of the options in the category "buy low, high reward"

He's not a big. He would be the fourth wing behind Tatum/Brown/Hayward. He would never be the big for a lineup with the Celtics. He's a fine defensive roleplayer, but not really all that valuable. Would he get like 15 minutes some nights in Boston? Certainly I don't ever want him shooting is the problem as he'd almost always be the worst offensive player on the court unless you put him out there with Semi.


15 minutes? even playing below average like this year (I think he would be better here) he would get 25-30 minutes (most of the bench SF-PF minutes and a few as a C), our bench is terrible, we have fringe NBA players like wannabe, ojeleye and grant playing 15 minutes o more.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20 

Post#943 » by Bleeding Green » Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:35 pm

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It's easy:

1. He has a long and decent contract
2. He is a young PF with high potential and we need bigs.
3. He is playing below expectations and his price should be relatively low.
4. He is a orlando magic player, a franchise that isn't considered to be good developing young talent.

It's one of the options in the category "buy low, high reward"

He's not a big. He would be the fourth wing behind Tatum/Brown/Hayward. He would never be the big for a lineup with the Celtics. He's a fine defensive roleplayer, but not really all that valuable. Would he get like 15 minutes some nights in Boston? Certainly I don't ever want him shooting is the problem as he'd almost always be the worst offensive player on the court unless you put him out there with Semi.


15 minutes? even playing below average like this year (I think he would be better here) he would get 25-30 minutes (most of the bench SF-PF minutes and a few as a C), our bench is terrible, we have fringe NBA players like wannabe, ojeleye and grant playing 15 minutes o more.

What role is he going to have? You would seriously have Aaron Gordon as the big on a lineup for the Celtics? Just what the Celtics need, someone who doesn't defend the rim or stretch the floor. Wanamaker and Grant are miles better than Aaron Gordon, but yes, Semi is worse. Semi also doesn't play when everyone is healthy.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20 

Post#944 » by Marvel » Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:50 pm

Please no to AG. Dude is a poor man's Tatum, extremely poor.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20 

Post#945 » by 100proof » Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:34 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
jeremym480 wrote:Hot take alert: On the court, I'm not sure if KAT would even be worth giving up two of either Tatum/Brown and either Hayward/Smart.

I think KAT is great and would love to have him but I think that would just open up another huge hole somewhere in the starting lineup and make our depth (which isn't great in the first place) even worse. I also think that unless it's all of Tatum, Brown and the Memphis pick (in the offseason) then there's still a handful of teams that could beat our best offer.

I don't know... as much as I'd love him I just not sure if there's a deal to be had.


I wouldnt deal Tatum for him. I would deal Brown and Smart, though.

Dude is one of the top shooters in the league and is a big. We’d **** rock teams with him.



If he demands out, there are not really any teams that really offer anything close to a Celtics offer.

Imo, an expiring in Hayward, rwilliams, romeo, memphis pick, boston pick, future Boston pick is a grandfather offer.

Kemba/brown/tatum/gwilliams/kat
Wannamaker/smart/semi/theis/kanter

Would need a scoring sf off the bench still.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20 

Post#946 » by MagicBagley18 » Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:36 pm

100proof wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
jeremym480 wrote:Hot take alert: On the court, I'm not sure if KAT would even be worth giving up two of either Tatum/Brown and either Hayward/Smart.

I think KAT is great and would love to have him but I think that would just open up another huge hole somewhere in the starting lineup and make our depth (which isn't great in the first place) even worse. I also think that unless it's all of Tatum, Brown and the Memphis pick (in the offseason) then there's still a handful of teams that could beat our best offer.

I don't know... as much as I'd love him I just not sure if there's a deal to be had.


I wouldnt deal Tatum for him. I would deal Brown and Smart, though.

Dude is one of the top shooters in the league and is a big. We’d **** rock teams with him.



If he demands out, there are not really any teams that really offer anything close to a Celtics offer.

Imo, an expiring in Hayward, rwilliams, romeo, memphis pick, boston pick, future Boston pick is a grandfather offer.

Kemba/brown/tatum/gwilliams/kat
Wannamaker/smart/semi/theis/kanter

Would need a scoring sf off the bench still.


That deal is a pu pu platter of ****...tbh
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20 

Post#947 » by Feed Your Head » Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:40 pm

MagicBagley18 wrote:
100proof wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
I wouldnt deal Tatum for him. I would deal Brown and Smart, though.

Dude is one of the top shooters in the league and is a big. We’d **** rock teams with him.



If he demands out, there are not really any teams that really offer anything close to a Celtics offer.

Imo, an expiring in Hayward, rwilliams, romeo, memphis pick, boston pick, future Boston pick is a grandfather offer.

Kemba/brown/tatum/gwilliams/kat
Wannamaker/smart/semi/theis/kanter

Would need a scoring sf off the bench still.


That deal is a pu pu platter of ****...tbh


Would take Jaylen/Smart/RW3/our own first or something like that I'd assume. Think we'd be able to keep the Grizz pick with the way Jaylen has broken out. Obviously this would have to be done after the season because of Jaylens deal, but I'd be willing.

Kemba/Romeo/Hayward/Tatum/Towns is pretty damn sexy. Plus whatever the Grizz pick nets us this year, as im guessing it'll be in the 7-10 range.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20 

Post#948 » by Bird4Three » Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:53 pm

Would be pretty **** to deal Jaylen or Tatum now that they’re finally becoming true star players. I mean, KAT is one of the best young bigs in the league, but it would be a bad karma move if nothing else. We dumped Kyrie’s toxic ass, and lucked out getting another proven All-Star PG who gels with our team.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20 

Post#949 » by MagicBagley18 » Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:02 pm

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MagicBagley18 wrote:
100proof wrote:

If he demands out, there are not really any teams that really offer anything close to a Celtics offer.

Imo, an expiring in Hayward, rwilliams, romeo, memphis pick, boston pick, future Boston pick is a grandfather offer.

Kemba/brown/tatum/gwilliams/kat
Wannamaker/smart/semi/theis/kanter

Would need a scoring sf off the bench still.


That deal is a pu pu platter of ****...tbh


Would take Jaylen/Smart/RW3/our own first or something like that I'd assume. Think we'd be able to keep the Grizz pick with the way Jaylen has broken out. Obviously this would have to be done after the season because of Jaylens deal, but I'd be willing.

Kemba/Romeo/Hayward/Tatum/Towns is pretty damn sexy. Plus whatever the Grizz pick nets us this year, as im guessing it'll be in the 7-10 range.


I think the grizz pick is what keeps Tatum out the deal...not that they’d trade him
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20 

Post#950 » by Mr_Mojo_Risin » Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:04 pm

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Smitty, kindly stop enabling 100proof and Andrew lol. I'm hearing their trade machine revving up again.

Why should it be just restricted to them? I also like to pipe dream :D

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Re: Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20 

Post#951 » by Feed Your Head » Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:05 pm

MagicBagley18 wrote:
The Comedian wrote:
MagicBagley18 wrote:
That deal is a pu pu platter of ****...tbh


Would take Jaylen/Smart/RW3/our own first or something like that I'd assume. Think we'd be able to keep the Grizz pick with the way Jaylen has broken out. Obviously this would have to be done after the season because of Jaylens deal, but I'd be willing.

Kemba/Romeo/Hayward/Tatum/Towns is pretty damn sexy. Plus whatever the Grizz pick nets us this year, as im guessing it'll be in the 7-10 range.


I think the grizz pick is what keeps Tatum out the deal...not that they’d trade him


I'd put it in the deal if it came down to it, a Tatum/Towns duo is too good to pass up.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20 

Post#952 » by SmartWentCrazy » Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:25 pm

MagicBagley18 wrote:
The Comedian wrote:
MagicBagley18 wrote:
That deal is a pu pu platter of ****...tbh


Would take Jaylen/Smart/RW3/our own first or something like that I'd assume. Think we'd be able to keep the Grizz pick with the way Jaylen has broken out. Obviously this would have to be done after the season because of Jaylens deal, but I'd be willing.

Kemba/Romeo/Hayward/Tatum/Towns is pretty damn sexy. Plus whatever the Grizz pick nets us this year, as im guessing it'll be in the 7-10 range.


I think the grizz pick is what keeps Tatum out the deal...not that they’d trade him


This is where I’m at too— would take all of our non-Tatum assets. Would do it too— a front court of KAT and Tatum for the next decade would be amazing.
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Post#953 » by SmartWentCrazy » Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:27 pm

The Comedian wrote:
MagicBagley18 wrote:
The Comedian wrote:
Would take Jaylen/Smart/RW3/our own first or something like that I'd assume. Think we'd be able to keep the Grizz pick with the way Jaylen has broken out. Obviously this would have to be done after the season because of Jaylens deal, but I'd be willing.

Kemba/Romeo/Hayward/Tatum/Towns is pretty damn sexy. Plus whatever the Grizz pick nets us this year, as im guessing it'll be in the 7-10 range.


I think the grizz pick is what keeps Tatum out the deal...not that they’d trade him


I'd put it in the deal if it came down to it, a Tatum/Towns duo is too good to pass up.


I think the Mem pick would allow us to keep Langford, which we’d need if we gave up our top SGs.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20 

Post#954 » by leper-con » Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:29 pm

I think a no trade is the best trade.
We aren't a real contender this year.
wait till next year in the off season and make the trade that pushes us to favourites.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20 

Post#955 » by MagicBagley18 » Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:38 pm

The Comedian wrote:
MagicBagley18 wrote:
The Comedian wrote:
Would take Jaylen/Smart/RW3/our own first or something like that I'd assume. Think we'd be able to keep the Grizz pick with the way Jaylen has broken out. Obviously this would have to be done after the season because of Jaylens deal, but I'd be willing.

Kemba/Romeo/Hayward/Tatum/Towns is pretty damn sexy. Plus whatever the Grizz pick nets us this year, as im guessing it'll be in the 7-10 range.


I think the grizz pick is what keeps Tatum out the deal...not that they’d trade him


I'd put it in the deal if it came down to it, a Tatum/Towns duo is too good to pass up.


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Re: Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20 

Post#956 » by MagicBagley18 » Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:40 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
MagicBagley18 wrote:
The Comedian wrote:
Would take Jaylen/Smart/RW3/our own first or something like that I'd assume. Think we'd be able to keep the Grizz pick with the way Jaylen has broken out. Obviously this would have to be done after the season because of Jaylens deal, but I'd be willing.

Kemba/Romeo/Hayward/Tatum/Towns is pretty damn sexy. Plus whatever the Grizz pick nets us this year, as im guessing it'll be in the 7-10 range.


I think the grizz pick is what keeps Tatum out the deal...not that they’d trade him


This is where I’m at too— would take all of our non-Tatum assets. Would do it too— a front court of KAT and Tatum for the next decade would be amazing.


If kat becomes available with 4 more year left on his deal, he has no leverage and they will get a haul for him.
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Post#957 » by SmartWentCrazy » Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:44 pm

MagicBagley18 wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
MagicBagley18 wrote:
I think the grizz pick is what keeps Tatum out the deal...not that they’d trade him


This is where I’m at too— would take all of our non-Tatum assets. Would do it too— a front court of KAT and Tatum for the next decade would be amazing.


If kat becomes available with 4 more year left on his deal, he has no leverage and they will get a haul for him.


Getting a 23 year old wing averaging 21-7-2 on 62% TS [also with 4 years left], an all-NBA defense and analytics darling PG and a Lotto pick is a haul.
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Post#958 » by MagicBagley18 » Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:46 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
MagicBagley18 wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
This is where I’m at too— would take all of our non-Tatum assets. Would do it too— a front court of KAT and Tatum for the next decade would be amazing.


If kat becomes available with 4 more year left on his deal, he has no leverage and they will get a haul for him.


Getting a 23 year old wing averaging 21-7-2 on 62% TS [also with 4 years left], an all-NBA defense and analytics darling PG and a Lotto pick is a haul.


it’s still Jaylen brown tho :wink: and my point was that while that may be our haul there are teams out there who can offer some really great deals as well
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Post#959 » by SmartWentCrazy » Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:49 pm

MagicBagley18 wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
MagicBagley18 wrote:
If kat becomes available with 4 more year left on his deal, he has no leverage and they will get a haul for him.


Getting a 23 year old wing averaging 21-7-2 on 62% TS [also with 4 years left], an all-NBA defense and analytics darling PG and a Lotto pick is a haul.


it’s still Jaylen brown tho :wink: and my point was that while that may be our haul there are teams out there who can offer some really great deals as well


Phoenix scares me here— could see them offering everything except Booker [like Ayton and multiple unprotected picks]
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20 

Post#960 » by zoyathedestroya » Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:52 pm

Gotta be as ruthless as Trader Dan. If we have to trade our favorite Celtics players for marginal improvements, then so be it. I'm gonna miss Semi and Vinnie, but this trade is just too hard to pass up.

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