2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 -- (8PM, Wed, Nov. 18, ESPN)

[Squigglepuffin]

If we trade up and draft Haliburton while Killian Hayes is still on the board Danny will never live it down. Hayes will end up as the best player from this draft imo.

[captain green]

If we trade up and draft Haliburton while Killian Hayes is still on the board Danny will never live it down. Hayes will end up as the best player from this draft imo.

I agree but I also see Hayes being drafted highest 3rd lowest 6th. As opposed to halliburton highest 5th to lowest 9th. Regardless of what I know I still want s.bey and precious both I want a delivery that gets that done.

[Spin Move]

Smart doesn't touch Hali as a playmaker though. Hali is one of the best PnR passers coming out in years. Smart is a 3andD guard that can pass decently. Hali is a passer first who can shoot the 3.

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Good find

"It shouldn't be based on how many assists you have but rather how many points you create from those assists"

???????? Twitter user either mistyped or doesn't know basketball.

The definition of an assist is a pass that directly leads to points.

Yes but assits that lead to 3's and 3 point plays are more valuable then assists that lead to 2's

[poopship]

For the record (if I get a good record maybe I start posting): I like the bigs in this draft but to me they look very difficult to project. So what I want is for us to move up and pick Haliburton. Wouldn't mind if the price is high because this kid could be the dog's bollocks.

[winsomme2]

The more I think about it, the less I want to trade up to get any player in this draft. And it's not because I don't like many of the players mentioned as targets.

I'm just not convinced that their value is that much higher than who we can get at 14 combined with the REALLY high value for players that will be available late in the first round.

My current top list has remained the same this week:

Patrick Williams
Kira Lewis
Tyrell Terry

Tyrese Maxey
Precious Achiuwa


Hoping for one of the first three but will be totally cool with any of the 5. Terry and Maxey have definitely jumped up my board but I think all 5 of these guys are going to be terrific pro players and will probably contribute right away.

[Squigglepuffin]

FWIW if a time traveller from the future came to me and said Haliburton, once he gets into the NBA, will be able to get his weight up to 190lbs I would 100% be all for that trade up.

Other than Luka I'd say Haliburton has the highest BBIQ from any draft dating back to Ben Simmons - who is on the same level. The major, major question mark is his weight.

If he could get his weight up to 190lbs he could become the best (but most likely second best) player from this draft. Usually I think 20 year old rookies only ever put on about 5lbs or so once they hit the NBA.

Lonzo, Ingram, Kawhi for example - all have stayed very close to the same weight since entering the league, and Haliburton is only 175lbs. He's built like a twig.

[Squigglepuffin]

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Surprised Reggie Perry isn't being talked about more. #30 recruit in the country 2 years ago and is still only 20 years old.

6'9.75" 245 lbs and a 7"2.5" wingspan.

Averaged 17.4 PPG, 10.1 RPG, and 2.3 APG on 50/32/77 shooting splits.

Really impressive pull up game and versatility. Great rebounder and upside defensively. Mechanics are good but inconsistent jumper which isn't really a concern for me. Poor shot selection and decision maker but think that's more of a result of his role at Miss St.

Idk maybe it's just me but I've always been high on him. Really not a fan of Okongwu and would never want to trade 14,26, and 30 to trade up and pick him. Perry should be there in 2nd round but not sure he lasts until 47.

If he's there at 47 - I assume there's a reason teams are passing on him. If he's there at 26 or 30, I wouldn't be mad at the pick.

Statistically, he looks similar to Big Baby at LSU, albeit a better shooter. Scouting reports make him sound a bit like Big Baby, down to "Also prone to losing his cool emotionally and can become frustrated with teammates when they make mistakes … Thick legs make him a little slow to get moving and anchor him to the floor to some degree defensively."

So, a better conditioned Big Baby?

Basically his defense is poor. His lateral movement is pretty bad. He's top heavy so when he's sliding laterally and tries to stop on a dime and push off in the opposite direction his torso just keeps going in that initial direction.

[big-shot-ROB]

Count me on the Paul Reed hype train. Draft him at #14. We'll find our Shadiq Bey elsewhere.

I was really high on Reggie last year, but it's become apparent he doesn't even have the lateral movement to even play the 5 in the NBA. He's Europe bound unless he becomes a neutral defender all of a sudden.

[Spin Move]

Count me on the Paul Reed hype train. Draft him at #14. We'll find our Shadiq Bey elsewhere.

I was really high on Reggie last year, but it's become apparent he doesn't even have the lateral movement to even play the 5 in the NBA. He's Europe bound unless he becomes a neutral defender all of a sudden.

No one is talking about him at 14, looking at 26 or 30

[big-shot-ROB]

Count me on the Paul Reed hype train. Draft him at #14. We'll find our Shadiq Bey elsewhere.

I was really high on Reggie last year, but it's become apparent he doesn't even have the lateral movement to even play the 5 in the NBA. He's Europe bound unless he becomes a neutral defender all of a sudden.

No one is talking about him at 14, looking at 26 or 30

He won't be there at #26 at all.

[Parliament10]

No trade you’ve suggested during your months long onslaught of Kemba trades has either made sense or made us better.

And have you watched him play? Watch him dribble the ball up vs NBA caliber defenders Moose. He’s an off guard who can run some actions/PnR, much like Smart. Stop looking at raw APG numbers then telling me I havent watched him play when you should be looking in the mirror.

I have watched alot of his games. He is the best pick and roll point in the draft. Also one of the best passers/playmakers in the draft.

Also all of the above posted draft site links all list him as a PG. a PG

But Smartwentcrazy knows better than all.

And if you dont like the Kemba trades I have proposed (which have only been to NYK or Clippers IIRC) and dont think that a large TPE and #8 or Paul George then dont read them. Easy.

But to just so arrogantly proclaim
"we arent trading Kemba this isnt 2K" and not support any reasoning why is just that, arrogant.

Call me moose all you want, it is petty, and incredibly pathetic on your part.

Have a real discussion or ignore me. Don't pretend to know me, don't pretend to state where I am making my opinions from (raw APG) etc.

Draft sites listed SGA as a PG too. They generally list where a guy played in college and simplistically break things down based on statistics.

Like SGA, Haliburton can play PG. His handle isnt good enough to be a full time guard and primary ball handler. No link you’ve posted really contradicts this.

Further, the Knicks wont take Kemba because they want cap space for next summer. They didnt even chase him last year. Theyre not going to give up a high pick for him now. And the Clippers laugh off an offer of PG for Kemba. The reality: he doesnt have much trade value at all. But he’s a great player. We shouldnt dump him and no one will give up the value he provides. The PR hit is icing on the cake. Its a fools errand; its why no one is shocked you keep pitching the ideas.

Its not pathetic to call you your former banned handle. Want me to call you Silky instead? You got banned for being a racist ****, I’m not gonna let that **** go. Sorry its an inconvenience to you.

This has gotten out of hand.
You two need to stop posting on each others posts.

SmartWentCrazy, he's not being racist now, right?
You shouldn't bring that up, given your position.

~ Parl

[Cuban Pete]

I like Hughes at 26 or 30. He's played on a mediocre Cuse team. I'm starting to like Tillman a lot more and feel he's not a redundant player to Grant Williams due to his grat wingspan and block rate. I've always been bullish on Reed.

[Half-Full]

If we trade up and draft Haliburton while Killian Hayes is still on the board Danny will never live it down. Hayes will end up as the best player from this draft imo.

Danny will never live it down? That presumes that you are correct in your assessment of Hayes vs Halliburton. The Sporting News rates Halliburton as the 10th best player in the draft, and Hayes at #15. NBADraft.Net has Hayes at #5, and Halliburton at #10. CBS Sports has Hayes at #2, and Halliburton at #3. What is the takeaway? Both are highly rated, essentially comparable. In the end, though, there is a lot of subjectivity that goes into how a team will rate a player, and many factors to consider, some that we are not privy to. No one has a sure fire crystal ball, so... Even if Danny is locked in on Halliburton, there is no guarantee that he can work out a trade that will enable the Celtics to draft him. For all we know, Danny may really have his eye on Hayes.

[captain green]

For the record (if I get a good record maybe I start posting): I like the bigs in this draft but to me they look very difficult to project. So what I want is for us to move up and pick Haliburton. Wouldn't mind if the price is high because this kid could be the dog's bollocks.

Are you a ween fan? Poopship destroyer lol

[celticfan42487]

Good find

"It shouldn't be based on how many assists you have but rather how many points you create from those assists"

???????? Twitter user either mistyped or doesn't know basketball.

The definition of an assist is a pass that directly leads to points.

Yes but assits that lead to 3's and 3 point plays are more valuable then assists that lead to 2's

To be honest, especially for college basektball, that kind of data muddies the water than reveals anything.

There isn't one dominant system like the NBA and this will just favor teams that are 3 point bombers over ones that slow it down.

I mean look at Tatum for Duke, he was a mid range chucker in college, came into the NBA and I think set the record for corner 3 %... so he obviously had the talent to be an elite 3 point shooter in college but the system they picked to best fit their overall team would have lead to significantly less points created from assists. When you only have 1 player on a team at best worth playing in the NBA the strategy is different.

[jayu70]

This guys has a similar skill set to Hayward. He is able to facilitate offensive flow.
My magic 8ball says Hayward is getting traded . We are moving up either with Atlanta or NY and getting Halliburton.
I could actually see Hayward in Atlanta to help run the offence with Trae. With NEw York I could see a lesser player and a couple of picks. or a three team deal with HAyward to Indy ect.

Hawks aren't trading #6 to move down 8 spots and get 1 year of Hayward at $34 million blowing chuncks of their $42 million in capspace in one deal.

[Feed Your Head]

It's not a "report". It's intel from someone inside the C's org. I agree that media members get fed BS all the time..

What was the intel?

Celtics are moving up to grab Haliburton and like Reed in the second..

They are high on Haliburton, that’s all I know personally. But like, there are a handful of guys in every draft that they’re high on and don’t trade up for. And even what I hear has to be taken with a grain of salt, it’s not exactly reload level intel.

[31to6]

What was the intel?

Celtics are moving up to grab Haliburton and like Reed in the second..

They are high on Haliburton, that’s all I know personally. But like, there are a handful of guys in every draft that they’re high on and don’t trade up for. And even what I hear has to be taken with a grain of salt, it’s not exactly reload level intel.

TBF 2017-18 reload was on a GOAT tear.

[themoneyteam2]

This guys has a similar skill set to Hayward. He is able to facilitate offensive flow.
My magic 8ball says Hayward is getting traded . We are moving up either with Atlanta or NY and getting Halliburton.
I could actually see Hayward in Atlanta to help run the offence with Trae. With NEw York I could see a lesser player and a couple of picks. or a three team deal with HAyward to Indy ect.

Hawks aren't trading #6 to move down 8 spots and get 1 year of Hayward at $34 million blowing chuncks of their $42 million in capspace in one deal.

Not like his salary for one year is hurting you guys since you won't sign any good max free agents anyways lol

[SmartWentCrazy]

Celtics are moving up to grab Haliburton and like Reed in the second..

They are high on Haliburton, that’s all I know personally. But like, there are a handful of guys in every draft that they’re high on and don’t trade up for. And even what I hear has to be taken with a grain of salt, it’s not exactly reload level intel.

TBF 2017-18 reload was on a GOAT tear.

We will never have an insider like that again. He was unreal. Had the Kyrie is out for the year weeks before mainstream.