JediMasterRevan wrote:soxfan2003 wrote:playa-hater wrote:
yes for me..
Warriors are fairly happy with Wiggins since from all of their management/coaches/players reactions, they have always had realistic expectations of him. They must know he is still overpaid but unlike Kemba Walker, they also know he can be a 4th best player and a starter on a championship team. Wiggins for all of his faults has been extremely durable and willing to play hurt. Warriors big problem last year was Klay was out so they missed their #2 option. Wiggins especially with Draymond Green sucking as a scorer isn't good enough to carry that load without Klay and the Warriors were smart enough to not even have him try to really do that.
So, I no longer think Boston and Golden State are enough of a match for a blockbuster trade. I could see a more minor trade involving Smart but it would be Danny Ainge having to reduce his asking price on what he feels Smart is worth and not the Warriors. Warriors are just in better position than Boston since they have multiple realistic avenues to improve their team and ownership more willing to spend a lot of money.
If the Warriors knew Klay was truly burnt toast and only coming back a shell of himself, i could see them doing this if Wiseman or Minny pick removed but given how well KD has returned, I would think they are relatively optimistic on Klay.
Wiggins was 21st in DRPM this year so he is demonstrating that when his role on offense is reduced a bit and he has people like Draymond Green and Kerr screaming and barking in his ear and guiding him, he can step up on defense. Wiggins may never be Brown on offense but the difference between them as third options doesn't seem large enough to warrant giving up Wiseman and Minny pick -never mind another pick as well.
If Warriors could trade Wiseman for a high impact 2-way center ready to contribute right now but with a shorter shelf like I think they do it if they have confidence in Klay's return but I don't think they sell low on him without getting a center in return.
Brown is a massive upgrade in talent to Wiggins AND he saves them money.
If Klay comes back 100% to pre injury form it would be debateable as to who is the number 2 option.
They are trading a 4th option who doesnt really fit their system and gaining a 2a or 2b option.
Remember:
Klays last healthy season he put up
21.5 ppg
3.8 rpg
2.4 apg
1 spg
40.2% from 3
46.7% from 2
Jaylen last year was
24.7ppg
6 rpg
3.4 apg
1 spg
39.7% from 3
48.4% from 2
Jaylen scored more, rebounded more, got more assists, shot equal to and defended as well.
Actually Wiggins fits their system just as good as JB but neither player is the ideal wing -- see younger Iggy for more of an ideal wing and Kerr/Warriors management has openly said that. Kerr has all but said Wiggins is a very good fit and the player that he traded him for was a terrible fit. The Warriors value an athletic wing that has the length to provide some resistance against Lebron and Wiggins proved he could do that. Not at the level of a much younger Iggy but in all honesty better than I have ever seen Crowder do it. And I was a fan of Crowder but he has always had a lot of trouble staying in front of Lebron.
The upgrade the Warriors would like to make if they ever traded Wiggins for a similar player is someone with much more ballhandling/passing ability and JB simply isn't that aort of player.
We all saw Klay play at a level than Jaylen Brown has never played at right before Klay got hurt in the NBA finals. The guy was absolutely killing it against a great defense without KD.
Wiggins last year.
18.6 PPG
1 block
.9 SPG
2.4 APG -- has had higher numbers but with Green/Curry ball in his hands less.
52.9% from 2 -- higher than JB.
38% from 3 -- career high and probably goes higher with Klay.
Brown much more comparable to Wiggins in terms of how they score than Klay. Neither player has 1/5th of the gravity as Klay and that is what often wins games. Neither player scares other teams in the halfcourt. JB is better in transition but neither player makes their teammates better on offense.
Klay is a tremendous floor spacer and is a threat that scares other teams while Jaylen Brown is mostly like Wiggins just a better version on offense but with inferior defense nowadays.
I don't see Jaylen Brown as a massive upgrade to Wiggins anymore when Andrew Wiggins played on the better team this year and played better defense. Yes, Curry much better than Tatum. Draymond Green was pretty good in the play-in games but he had a mediocre regular season that wasn't much better than an injury plagued Smart. Wiseman was a negative for Warriors much worse than Kemba and Warriors still won more games in a tougher conference.
At some point, Wiggins needs some credit for this -- Curry got the credit he deserved since he deserved to finish top 3 in MVP. Green wasn't that good this year despite still being teams 2nd best player. Green's defense and offense are both declining. And Wiggins isn't signed that much longer and if he doesn't improve, he will be paid less on his next contract that JB.
I am not saying Brown isn't better than Wiggins...he is but I just don't see this huge upgrade which I would if Wiggins was still playing like MN Wiggins but that is no longer the case at all.
To be fair to Brown, I don't see Bradley Beal when you factor in defense as a massive upgrade to Brown either.
Brown I don't think has anymore talent/athleticism than Wiggins. The advantage Brown probably has had is in work ethic and smarts. I don't think Wiggins work ethic is bad but he just wasn't good enough or smart enough to overcome the general stupidity of the Wolves.
