Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24 – (Trade Deadline Feb. 8, 3PM, ET)

[Hal14]

6th man: Al
7th man: Hauser
8th man: Pritchard
9th man: Kornet
10th man: Brissett

Is our bench good enough? Maybe.

We *could* win a title with that bench.

We don't *have*to do anything. Except maybe scoop up some guy in the buyout market to fill the 15th roster spot, or perhaps convert Queta to fill that spot.

With that being said, winning the title is really hard. The games get much harder in the playoffs than what we are seeing now in the reg season. While we're the favorites to win it all, the odds makers have us with a 24% chance to win the title. While that is higher than all other teams, a 24% chance really doesn't seem *that* high to me. We're by no means a lock to win it all.

It's not like we have a 90% chance or even an 80% chance. 24% chance doesn't seem that high.

So why not see if you can give yourself a little bit better chance by improving the roster? Especially since we have the TPE. Sure, there's not that many good players who fit the TPE but I trust Brad to try his best to improve the roster a little bit. Give ourselves a little bit of a better chance.

I think Brad knows that if he used the Fournier TPE last year, perhaps he could have landed a player who could have put us over the top and got us banner 18. I don't think he wants to let a another TPE that is a decent size expire.

Guys who fit the TPE, could perhaps move the needle for our team a little bit and could possibly be moved before the deadline:
Bey
Fontecchio
Kuminga
Moody
Grimes
Patrick Williams

These guys are on teams in the playoff mix but you never know, maybe their team trades them for an upgrade..and then the team that acquires them looks to move them (either to Boston in a separate deal, or perhaps BOS gets involved as the 3rd team in the deal)
Taurean Prince
Dean Wade
Naji Marshall

I wouldn't hate it if we landed any of these guys - think there's a chance each of them could help us. There's also...

Guys who are injured but you never know, perhaps they are able to get healthy enough before the deadline and look like they could contribute for us:
Torrey Craig
Otto Porter Jr

[keevsnick1]

If the c' management is willing to spend big they should consider going after a guy on his rookie deal, somebody who either has one year left or will be a RFA this summer. You take that guy into your grant TPE, then re-sign him to a larger deal this off season. Bets case you get a young guy who can be a rotation player going forward, but at least you'd then have a mid tier salary you can use for trades.

Of course just taking someone into that TPE is VERY expensive this year in terms of tax, and makes getting under the 2nd apron next year very difficult. So it seems unlikely.

[ddb]

I think Pritchard is the distributing, tough nosed defender the Knicks want behind Brunson.

Give us Grimes.

No thanks

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If the c' management is willing to spend big they should consider going after a guy on his rookie deal, somebody who either has one year left or will be a RFA this summer. You take that guy into your grant TPE, then re-sign him to a larger deal this off season. Bets case you get a young guy who can be a rotation player going forward, but at least you'd then have a mid tier salary you can use for trades.

Of course just taking someone into that TPE is VERY expensive this year in terms of tax, and makes getting under the 2nd apron next year very difficult. So it seems unlikely.

Idk. Our top 6 guys will all be back next season, so will Pritchard and Hauser. Hauser is eligible to sign an extension this summer.

With the amount of $ that will be tied to those 8 guys, I think that pretty much the all the other roster spots have to be guys on veterans minimum deals or guys on cheap rookie deals. That's what we did this season, and the top 8 guys will only get more expensive since Pritchard and JB's extensions kick in next season.

Like for example, if we trade for Bey..I feel like we probably won't resign him - unless we trade either Hauser or Pritchard..

I still would like to trade for Bey. If nothing else, I think he (or a player like that) could help put us over the top..he can contribute to a championship team and that exposure of playing and contributing on the big stage helps him get a payday this summer. And if Bey is just a rental, it's worth it if we win a ring.

But I"m sure it's something Brad is thinking about. Like, is it worth it to trade for a guy on an expiring contract like Bey or Fontecchio, will they move the needle enough for the trade to be worth it, if there's a good chance they're a rental?

[KillahGhostface]

I think Pritchard is the distributing, tough nosed defender the Knicks want behind Brunson.

Give us Grimes.

No thanks

Actually, yes.

Thanks for your input though, it’s really well thought out.

[zoyathedestroya]

I think Pritchard is the distributing, tough nosed defender the Knicks want behind Brunson.

Give us Grimes.

[keevsnick1]

If the c' management is willing to spend big they should consider going after a guy on his rookie deal, somebody who either has one year left or will be a RFA this summer. You take that guy into your grant TPE, then re-sign him to a larger deal this off season. Bets case you get a young guy who can be a rotation player going forward, but at least you'd then have a mid tier salary you can use for trades.

Of course just taking someone into that TPE is VERY expensive this year in terms of tax, and makes getting under the 2nd apron next year very difficult. So it seems unlikely.

Idk. Our top 6 guys will all be back next season, so will Pritchard and Hauser. Hauser is eligible to sign an extension this summer.

With the amount of $ that will be tied to those 8 guys, I think that pretty much the all the other roster spots have to be guys on veterans minimum deals or guys on cheap rookie deals. That's what we did this season, and the top 8 guys will only get more expensive since Pritchard and JB's extensions kick in next season.

Like for example, if we trade for Bey..I feel like we probably won't resign him - unless we trade either Hauser or Pritchard..

Ya, I expect what they will do is fill out the back of the roster with minimums and sign Holiday to an extension that gets them just below the 2nd apron next year, thus avoiding the frozen draft pick penalty for one more year.

What I'm describing is a scenario where they just decide to blow past the 2nd apron, becasue if you're going to be over you might as well be well over. But i doubt they do it, its just so expensive.

[Hal14]

If the c' management is willing to spend big they should consider going after a guy on his rookie deal, somebody who either has one year left or will be a RFA this summer. You take that guy into your grant TPE, then re-sign him to a larger deal this off season. Bets case you get a young guy who can be a rotation player going forward, but at least you'd then have a mid tier salary you can use for trades.

Of course just taking someone into that TPE is VERY expensive this year in terms of tax, and makes getting under the 2nd apron next year very difficult. So it seems unlikely.

Idk. Our top 6 guys will all be back next season, so will Pritchard and Hauser. Hauser is eligible to sign an extension this summer.

With the amount of $ that will be tied to those 8 guys, I think that pretty much the all the other roster spots have to be guys on veterans minimum deals or guys on cheap rookie deals. That's what we did this season, and the top 8 guys will only get more expensive since Pritchard and JB's extensions kick in next season.

Like for example, if we trade for Bey..I feel like we probably won't resign him - unless we trade either Hauser or Pritchard..

Ya, I expect what they will do is fill out the back of the roster with minimums and sign Holiday to an extension that gets them just below the 2nd apron next year, thus avoiding the frozen draft pick penalty for one more year.

What I'm describing is a scenario where they just decide to blow past the 2nd apron, becasue if you're going to be over you might as well be well over. But i doubt they do it, its just so expensive.

Yeah, you never know. It could happen. Especially since Hauser will still be on a cheap contract next season. And pritchard's extension is fairly cheap too.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

The Tinkle God lives in Boston for three more seasons...

[playa-hater]

I think Pritchard is the distributing, tough nosed defender the Knicks want behind Brunson.

Give us Grimes.

I am a Big Pritchard fan here. My favorite Binky for sure. But I love talented Wings more and Grimes has potential. Not sure If the NYK would do that trade. But I would. And I would say good bye to my little PP for sure.

EDIT.. Who would be the 3rd PG?? I don't trust JD..

[165bows]

Grimes would give them one more guy on the bench who takes nothing but threes so there’s that.

[zoyathedestroya]

One man's opinion:

Read on Twitter

I do not believe Stevens needs to add to this team before the trade deadline. I don’t. I suppose he could use his limited resources to get a depth big man or wing. But I like this roster, top to bottom, just as it is. They don’t need anything, and they don’t need to mess with what they have.

It’s kind of silly, but I keep thinking about this picture that was going around the other day on some of the Celtics players’ social feeds. It was taken on the team plane, with everyone on the roster in the photo smiling or flashing some goofy hand signal, or both.

It was, so obviously, the literal picture of unity, of a team that enjoys being together on the court and off. Remember back in the day, when the Globe would insert an official team photo into the Sunday edition at some point during the season? This photo would make a fine insert. Because it’s what an excellent, happy, winning team looks like.

[Celts17Pride]

Like I mentioned, I would use the TPE and multiple 1st round draft picks on the right player with a multiple year contract (like DWhite) at the trade deadline because.......

A. Celtics don't need another JD Davison or Jordan Walsh (doesn't fit the window)
B. Celtics won't be able to do too much being a 2nd apron team next year

I just have no clue who that player could be.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

One man's opinion:

Read on Twitter

I do not believe Stevens needs to add to this team before the trade deadline. I don’t. I suppose he could use his limited resources to get a depth big man or wing. But I like this roster, top to bottom, just as it is. They don’t need anything, and they don’t need to mess with what they have.

It’s kind of silly, but I keep thinking about this picture that was going around the other day on some of the Celtics players’ social feeds. It was taken on the team plane, with everyone on the roster in the photo smiling or flashing some goofy hand signal, or both.

It was, so obviously, the literal picture of unity, of a team that enjoys being together on the court and off. Remember back in the day, when the Globe would insert an official team photo into the Sunday edition at some point during the season? This photo would make a fine insert. Because it’s what an excellent, happy, winning team looks like.

Chad, so hated on Twitter because he is an hack's hack, is a broken clock.
But even a broken clock is right two times a day.
Maybe they won't do any major or minor deals since the pickings are slim and the
chemistry - well,it's some of the best chemistry we've seen for a Celtics team - it's very pleasant.

[KillahGhostface]

One man's opinion:

Read on Twitter

I do not believe Stevens needs to add to this team before the trade deadline. I don’t. I suppose he could use his limited resources to get a depth big man or wing. But I like this roster, top to bottom, just as it is. They don’t need anything, and they don’t need to mess with what they have.

It’s kind of silly, but I keep thinking about this picture that was going around the other day on some of the Celtics players’ social feeds. It was taken on the team plane, with everyone on the roster in the photo smiling or flashing some goofy hand signal, or both.

It was, so obviously, the literal picture of unity, of a team that enjoys being together on the court and off. Remember back in the day, when the Globe would insert an official team photo into the Sunday edition at some point during the season? This photo would make a fine insert. Because it’s what an excellent, happy, winning team looks like.

Chad, so hated on Twitter because he is an hack's hack, is a broken clock.
But even a broken clock is right two times a day.
Maybe they won't do any major or minor deals since the pickings are slim and the
chemistry - well,it's some of the best chemistry we've seen for a Celtics team - it's very pleasant.

What lmao, Chad is held is EXTREMELY high regard by pretty much everyone. He’s butted heads with some sports radio people, because they are horrible and uninformed.

He’s one of the most respected members of the Boston media lol. You gotta be trolling on this one.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

One man's opinion:

Read on Twitter

Chad, so hated on Twitter because he is an hack's hack, is a broken clock.
But even a broken clock is right two times a day.
Maybe they won't do any major or minor deals since the pickings are slim and the
chemistry - well,it's some of the best chemistry we've seen for a Celtics team - it's very pleasant.

What lmao, Chad is held is EXTREMELY high regard by pretty much everyone. He’s butted heads with some sports radio people, because they are horrible and uninformed.

He’s one of the most respected members of the Boston media lol.

He's hated by others, is a complete lefty shill, a completely lazy interviewer, just read the critiques on Twitter
and represents the Globe, a journalistic embarrassment, which really needs a well-funded competetor.

[KillahGhostface]

Chad, so hated on Twitter because he is an hack's hack, is a broken clock.
But even a broken clock is right two times a day.
Maybe they won't do any major or minor deals since the pickings are slim and the
chemistry - well,it's some of the best chemistry we've seen for a Celtics team - it's very pleasant.

What lmao, Chad is held is EXTREMELY high regard by pretty much everyone. He’s butted heads with some sports radio people, because they are horrible and uninformed.

He’s one of the most respected members of the Boston media lol.

He's hated by others, is a complete lefty shill, is a completely lazy interviewer, just read the critiques on Twitter and represents the
the Globe, a journalistic embarrassment.

Oh okay you just dislike his politics lol, same for the Globe. You can’t separate that from sports takes, that’s a shame.

To pretty much every local and national writer, he’s held in extremely high regard, and has been a mentor for plenty. But if you rather care what the blue checkmark crowd thinks, more power to you.

SOSH loves Finn, who’s a member there. FWIW

[Dogen]

Brad is not going to mess with the chemistry of this current group. Not happening. If anything, he will add to the existing group of players. I see Svi, Banton, and Lamar Stevens as the only candidates that could be on the move to match salaries in a smallish deal. There's no sense in shaking things up on a roster that has all the ingredients needed to win a title AND happens to get along really well.

I think Pritchard, Hauser, Kornet, OB are all safe unless a great trade opportunity is presented to Brad.

I'm actually starting to think the way Brad adds to the roster is by adding a veteran that gets waived. That might be it. Keep a close eye on the buy-out market. Keep the assets. Keep the roster set.

Agree with all of this. In fact, watching the past ten games or so, and Joe's post-game interviews, I'm realizing more and more that this team is all about execution. Yeah, there's plenty of top shelf talent, but the chemistry and communication are critical for the success they are having.

The much maligned bench has been punching above it's weight lately. They are maybe not more talent than the competition, but are disciplined and get better and better at working together to their strengths.

An infusion of maybe one vet at a key roll, or even a pinch more of athletic young talent off the bench, is all that is needed and that can probably be taken on now without rocking the boat.

Dalano, Lamar, Svi are marginal, and I prefer to keep them in that order, but if two or all three were to go out in a deal for rotation player, that's fine. But the top 8 or 9 now is humming along. Brissett is starting to look like he belongs out there.

A waived vet is best scenario. If a good trade emerges for young talent, there is the TPE and a few guys that can be moved. I still think Brad will pull off one Eureka! move before the deadline.

[Dogen]

Guys who fit the TPE, could perhaps move the needle for our team a little bit and could possibly be moved before the deadline:
Bey
Fontecchio
Kuminga
Moody
Grimes
Patrick Williams

These guys are on teams in the playoff mix but you never know, maybe their team trades them for an upgrade..and then the team that acquires them looks to move them (either to Boston in a separate deal, or perhaps BOS gets involved as the 3rd team in the deal)
Taurean Prince
Dean Wade

On this one point (I hacked your nice post), there is some real talent there! I've been on the Moody wagon, but most of these guys will likely stay put or go out in deals that are bigger than the Celtics can do now.

I want to put a tentative plug for Patrick Williams, though, because he has been one player in the past 5 or so drafts that I completely whiffed on. 2020: Patrick Williams, Tyrese Haliburton, Onyeka Okongwu, Tyrese Maxey were guys that I hoped would be available at 14. Because of need, I had Williams a bit higher than Hali, but Williams was gone by 4th pick.

I still think Pat is going to be a player. Not Haliburton level, but decent. I don't get it. Does he need a change of scenery? Shot too broken?

I'd put him in the Moody level for fit on Celtics, but he's such a risk. Any other Pat Williams fans out there? I have a feeling he is going to get moved and suddenly blossom --The Markanen effect. Chicago is inept.