All things Draft Pick. #3

[Captain_Caveman]

Crazy thought, that's probably pointless at this point. But is there a chance that the PHI-BOS deal is altered now that it seems like PG could end up in LA before the season starts? Not honoring an agreement is a big no-no, but I feel these circumstances are different.

After this news, value of that LAL pick went down. If PG is playing for the Lakers, that pick would have minimal chance of being 2-5, and C's suddenly have only 1 shot of getting valuable lotto pick back. That was part of the value.

No, it went up. Why would the Lakers give anything for PG13 when they can get him next year for free? Meanwhile, the Lakers can't sign decent free agents because they need the cap space to sign George.

They may even have to dump a contract.

[ParticleMan]

In this proposal do we trade salary as well or use cap space? I'm guessing salary

we'd be using our cap space for PG13. it's "only" 19.3m. so we just have to send picks.

This would preclude a FA signing without dumping numerous contracts correct?

yeah, no hayward or blake.

or we send them zeller. that means we have to renounce less of our FAs. but TBH i don't think it's a problem to renounce enough FAs to get 19m under the cap. the only one we'd miss would be KO, and i'm not even sure he has to go in that scenario (certainly not if we give them zeller).

[Bar Fight]

So now there's protections on the Kings '19 pick if the Lakers '18 pick doesn't convey?

[CelticsPride18]

So now there's protections on the Kings '19 pick if the Lakers '18 pick doesn't convey?

We have to wait until tomorrow to see the details of the deal. Hopefully is a reverse protection.

[The Rondo Show]

George couldn't have destroyed his market value anymore, wow. I think this is a very rare opportunity to gamble on getting a major prime star for a massive low ball deal without touching your core assets, and hope winning plus $$$ changes his mind. It'd suck if he bolted in year but if we are giving up quantity rather than quality, it's not neccessarily devastating to the franchise either. Take the risk, Danny (assuming the price ends up as low as I think it's going to be).

It's a risk but as long as you don't overpay, you aren't going to find a higher upside move for a lower price than this. Really unique situation of the team botching when to deal the guy and the player then forcing the teams hand big time.

[The Corey's]

Just pulling for an extra pick somehow

[Fidel Sarcasmo]

So would you guys do the #3 + salary straight up for George, no extension?

Protected clippers pick (17-24)

That's it

That's silly. That's what Ainge gave up for half a season of Toine. A season of PG is worth considerably more.

Not when PG13 says he intends to sign with the lakers.

[jfs1000d]

Lakers will trade no. 2 for George. Pacer scoop up Jackson? Lol. Not unreasonable. They don't have a no. 1 next year. Why lose? Win as many games as possible this year and have George there for a year. That makes Thad 2-5 protection ingenious.


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[CelticsLV]

So now there's protections on the Kings '19 pick if the Lakers '18 pick doesn't convey?

Yeah LAL18 is protected 1-30, same for SAC19, if not conveyed turns into 2 2nds, Fultz is the next Jordan, world is ending tomorrow.
Burn Ainge at the stake before sunset!

[darrendaye]

So now there's protections on the Kings '19 pick if the Lakers '18 pick doesn't convey?

We have to wait until tomorrow to see the details of the deal. Hopefully is a reverse protection.

I tend to think that it WOULD be in the C's favor. Sixers protected themselves against losing #1 next year but allowed C's to get 2-5 and protect themselves for having a worse pick. Generally the protection goes down in future years, so, I'd say it might be a beneficial protection for the C's if the Kings surprisingly win more than anticipated in 2018 by awarding another pick in that situation.

[Captain_Caveman]

That's a very fair package.

In this proposal do we trade salary as well or use cap space? I'm guessing salary

we'd be using our cap space for PG13. it's "only" 19.3m. so we just have to send picks.

We'd trade salaries for Butler or George while preserving our cap room for Hayward or Griffin.

Unless... we trade for Butler and George instead. No cap room necessary, can use guys like Amir to match contracts.

[fallguy]

What does it matter? Wanting sustained success is age dependent?

No, but your view of things is pretty adolescent. Just curious if you were very young.

My view of things is adolescent? Wanting multiple titles is adolescent? Wanting the Cs to build a wagon for at least a decade or more is adolescent?

I have a question for you. Do you do drugs? Because only people who want a quick fix are in favor of trading major pieces for parts that won't build towards that goal. Great initial high followed by bouts of depression and wanting.

I've never suggested a quick fix. Never once. Nothing even resembling the sort.

I just think you need to present more carefully thought out arguments if you want to be taken seriously.

[peachbucket]

Lakers will trade no. 2 for George. Pacer scoop up Jackson? Lol. Not unreasonable. They don't have a no. 1 next year. Why lose? Win as many games as possible this year and have George there for a year. That makes Thad 2-5 protection ingenious.


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I don't think that they would give up the 2 to get him when they think he will sign with them anyway. They may dangle Russell or Ingram tho but I would think that would be an offer that would easily be beat by a number of other teams even if it's likely a one year rental...I think Crowder and a late lottery pick tops Russell and I would do that in a heartbeat and take my chances with him walking.

[CelticsPride18]

So now there's protections on the Kings '19 pick if the Lakers '18 pick doesn't convey?

We have to wait until tomorrow to see the details of the deal. Hopefully is a reverse protection.

I tend to think that it WOULD be in the C's favor. Sixers protected themselves against losing #1 next year but allowed C's to get 2-5 and protect themselves for having a worse pick. Generally the protection goes down in future years, so, I'd say it might be a beneficial protection for the C's if the Kings surprisingly win more than anticipated in 2018 by awarding another pick in that situation.

Yeah if the pick is not in the lottery we get 1 first rounder and 2 2nd something along those lines. There is a lot of misinformation with this trade. Maybe tomorrow we see something new in the details.

[The Rondo Show]

Most likely scenario I'd imagine with any potential big draft deal? It's agreed in principle to, but not finalized until after the FA period. That way we don't have to send back as much salary in the deal. They probably don't want to give up enough of their team to match dollar for dollar for George or Butler, and they sure as hell don't want to give up their max salary space, I'd bet. So you agree to a deal that you can't finalize until after we've officially signed whoever we spend FA $$$ on (ideally Hayward as target, Blake target B).

[LarryBirdsFingr]

I see no reason to bring in PG a year early for the lakers other than publicity and marketing, which is kinda how they operate. For their sake, hopefully magic is smarter than that.

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[ViperGTS]

No, but your view of things is pretty adolescent. Just curious if you were very young.

My view of things is adolescent? Wanting multiple titles is adolescent? Wanting the Cs to build a wagon for at least a decade or more is adolescent?

I have a question for you. Do you do drugs? Because only people who want a quick fix are in favor of trading major pieces for parts that won't build towards that goal. Great initial high followed by bouts of depression and wanting.

I've never suggested a quick fix. Never once. Nothing even resembling the sort.

I just think you need to present more carefully thought out arguments if you want to be taken seriously.

Lol. My "arguments" are fine. If you, for instance, take them serious or not is of no consequence to me. This is a sports forum, not a panel to present your dissertation for a PhD to.

[Cornbread]

Not even sure if this is legal, but my prediction is the Celtics will get another first (probably 2021 protected first) if the Sac pick is outside of the top X.

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