Marcus Smart free agency Take 2. "He works hard for the money" Agrees to 4 year 52$ million deal page 32

[ThumbsUpBaby]

Not a fan of this deal tbh. But whatever, in Ainge we trust.

[ConstableGeneva]

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[tlee324]

But seriously, at what point do the IT fanboy/Smarthater guys need to sign a liability waiver just to post here again?

They initiated for years and got decked on 100% of 100% of the things they said.

True story!

Thomas: People were wrong saying he lost out on a bigger contract because he came off injury and has to prove himself? Nothing changes. Thomas played great for us and was an MVP candidate. His untimely injury doesn’t change that at all. Fake victory laps don’t either.

Marcus: He got paid for his hustle, heart and defense. When have I criticized him for those things? That’s what I like about him and have given him credit whenever he deserved it. You never gave Thomas credit..I remember a thread where you calling him insults the night he hit a game winner on Atlanta. All the things you say I did with Marcus is really what you did for Thomas.

I give Marcus PLENTY of props, but damn right I criticized him when he deserved it too. His contract doesn’t mean he’s now a great shooter who plays the whole season and doesn’t turn the ball over, we’ll still be seeing those things happen, he’ll just have more money.

Thomas’ weaknesses defensively were primarily due to height not something he had control over, and he still overcame that to be a plus player for us, certainly in the clutch and fourth quarter. I’m at a loss as to what Smart’s excuse is for his weaknesses. He has all the physical tools and skill to be much much more on the offensive end. I’ve said it many times that he’s easy to root for when it’s going well but very frustrating to watch when it’s not. We’ve got 4 more years now.

[KevinGamble34]

Great news glad we have Smart back on a reasonable deal. I think he is a great fit for this team and liked how we used him at the end of games at the start of last season. If he is surrounded by shooters his greatest weakness is minimised.

[ConstableGeneva]

Bulpett: http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2018/07/marcus_smart_deal_adds_to_celtics_stability

The interesting part of all this is that, based on this conclusion, Smart’s two and a half weeks of restricted free agency never had to be. Sources indicate he agreed to essentially the same contract the Celtics offered in an extension before this past season — a straight four years of increasing salaries with no opt outs for either side.

Smart had hoped to attract more on the market, but there were fewer available dollars this summer and teams didn’t appear interested in giving him an offer sheet the Celts would almost certainly match. As the free agent dominos fell, the only team left that really could have blown the Celts out of the water was Sacramento, but the Kings were not about to give large money to the 36 percent career shooter when they already have a young and crowded backcourt.

Smart’s side seemed prepared to take its chances in a better market next summer, and maybe if his offense took a step toward his defensive prowess, he could have cashed in. But $52 million and being in the right place under the right coach seemed the right move for all concerned.

[ConstableGeneva]

It appears Danny Ainge approves of the Smart signing too.

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Me bugging him for the past two weeks clearly worked. Next project: pester him about an Anthony Davis trade.

[Setshot33]

Glad they re-signed the defensive soul of the team.

Banner 18 on the horizon!

[3D Chess]

I think I've figured it out.

First of all, he is actually getting the standard 8% raises. It's just 8% raises on a 4/50 contract, not a 4/52. The four 500k bonuses get tacked on only after that math is done.

As I've pointed out, with this Smart signing, we're 300k away from being able to duck the tax just by moving Yabusele, assuming Smart gets his bonus this year.

What if there is a wink-wink agreement for Smart to "fail" to make the incentive this year, then make it in each of the next three years? We retain our easiest path for ducking the tax (moving Yabs), and he gains an additional 1.5mil on top of what he could have normally made on a no-incentive contract that started low enough to allow us to do that.

Basically it's a sneaky way for us to slide him 1.5mil more than it looked like we were going to be able to.


This is a conspiracy theory, yes. But I bet I'm right. I bet he "fails" to get his incentive this year.

It would be the most Zarren thing ever to arrange this.

Pig out Marcus!!! Get the steak AND the chicken, I insist!

[TheOGJabroni]

It appears Danny Ainge approves of the Smart signing too.

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Me bugging him for the past two weeks clearly worked. Next project: pester him about an Anthony Davis trade.

That should have been first priority

[truth18]

But seriously, at what point do the IT fanboy/Smarthater guys need to sign a liability waiver just to post here again?

They initiated for years and got decked on 100% of 100% of the things they said.

True story!

Thomas: People were wrong saying he lost out on a bigger contract because he came off injury and has to prove himself? Nothing changes. Thomas played great for us and was an MVP candidate. His untimely injury doesn’t change that at all. Fake victory laps don’t either.

Marcus: He got paid for his hustle, heart and defense. When have I criticized him for those things? That’s what I like about him and have given him credit whenever he deserved it. You never gave Thomas credit..I remember a thread where you calling him insults the night he hit a game winner on Atlanta. All the things you say I did with Marcus is really what you did for Thomas.

Nah. Cave gave Thomas more credit in GTs than I ever did. Always found it unusual. I can almost guarantee that you're mixing him up with someone else (perhaps me).

All of you Thomas stans were wrong. You took a hard L. It happens. I was a Jeff Green superfan. I was upset we took Brown. I thought Exum would be a star. Its fine to be wrong. Its hip to be square.

You can say whatever you want but Exculpatory, myself and multiple other posters discussed his injury risk as both a short PG and as someone with his hip issues in two different threads. We were some of the few people suggesting that Ainge shouldn't bring him back if we wanted to truly contend in the next few years (it didn't seem possible [Ainge is God], but we wanted him gone regardless).

Shorty was never a player who was going to be a true winner. His game, even at its peak, was a false promise that could be easily game planned for.

Perhaps Cave's constant victory laps are a bit immature, but they are no more embarassing than all of you trying to walk back your support of a mediocre basketball player. You don't get to whine about him being injured. Many people knew he was going to get injured. No one is happy about it but we saw it coming. You didn't, because you liked his energy, or something.

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Is he blonde again?

[jfs1000d]

People who don’t negotiate for a living talking about leverage. It ain’t zero sum.


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[tlee324]

Nah. Cave gave Thomas more credit in GTs than I ever did. Always found it unusual. I can almost guarantee that you're mixing him up with someone else (perhaps me).

I thought you were going to show me all these Isaiah Thomas arguments we had? I pretty much recall all the Caveman ones. Lots of people hate Isaiah, I was just laughing at them hard when he was leading the team and being an MVP candidate. Truth18, Caveman, etc. can dance while he’s coming off injury now but you guys were all wrong when he was clearly playing well and denied it.

You can say whatever you want but Exculpatory, myself and multiple other posters discussed his injury risk as both a short PG and as someone with his hip issues in two different threads. We were some of the few people suggesting that Ainge shouldn't bring him back if we wanted to truly contend in the next few years (it didn't seem possible [Ainge is God], but we wanted him gone regardless).

My argument was this is laughable because EVERYONE gets injured at least at some point; and yet with Thomas it just so happens the guys that hate him are using THIS as their platform because he proved you wrong during the season. His injury history prior to this season was better than a lot of players. But we didn’t see theories on them... nope just the guy you hate lol.

Shorty was never a player who was going to be a true winner. His game, even at its peak, was a false promise that could be easily game planned for.

I think it’s been proven otherwise when healthy. Easy to say now at a low point.

Perhaps Cave's constant victory laps are a bit immature, but they are no more embarassing than all of you trying to walk back your support of a mediocre basketball player. You don't get to whine about him being injured. Many people knew he was going to get injured. No one is happy about it but we saw it coming. You didn't, because you liked his energy, or something.

Of COURSE it’s immature lol. This thing has been dead and buried a long time ago. He can’t handle being wrong; and using his current injury to justify being wrong that whole season that’s all this is.

I’m not walking back anything. I’ve been very consistent this whole time. Notice I only responded to post directed at me. I’m not the one that starts this sh-t but I’m damn well gonna respond.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Enough chest pounding and IT talk. Take it to PMs if you want to continue. Thanks.

[Captain_Caveman]

But seriously, at what point do the IT fanboy/Smarthater guys need to sign a liability waiver just to post here again?

They initiated for years and got decked on 100% of 100% of the things they said.

True story!

Thomas: People were wrong saying he lost out on a bigger contract because he came off injury and has to prove himself? Nothing changes. Thomas played great for us and was an MVP candidate. His untimely injury doesn’t change that at all. Fake victory laps don’t either.

Marcus: He got paid for his hustle, heart and defense. When have I criticized him for those things? That’s what I like about him and have given him credit whenever he deserved it. You never gave Thomas credit..I remember a thread where you calling him insults the night he hit a game winner on Atlanta. All the things you say I did with Marcus is really what you did for Thomas.

Nah. Cave gave Thomas more credit in GTs than I ever did. Always found it unusual. I can almost guarantee that you're mixing him up with someone else (perhaps me).

All of you Thomas stans were wrong. You took a hard L. It happens. I was a Jeff Green superfan. I was upset we took Brown. I thought Exum would be a star. Its fine to be wrong. Its hip to be square.

You can say whatever you want but Exculpatory, myself and multiple other posters discussed his injury risk as both a short PG and as someone with his hip issues in two different threads. We were some of the few people suggesting that Ainge shouldn't bring him back if we wanted to truly contend in the next few years (it didn't seem possible [Ainge is God], but we wanted him gone regardless).

Shorty was never a player who was going to be a true winner. His game, even at its peak, was a false promise that could be easily game planned for.

Perhaps Cave's constant victory laps are a bit immature, but they are no more embarassing than all of you trying to walk back your support of a mediocre basketball player. You don't get to whine about him being injured. Many people knew he was going to get injured. No one is happy about it but we saw it coming. You didn't, because you liked his energy, or something.

Didn’t have to be that way. No one asked them to constantly go in on people for being realistic about IT or Smart’s respective values to the team.

It’s over now, tho.

[tlee324]

My Twitter handle is @TrottJLee guys so you don’t need to make subtle comments to hijack threads.

[truth18]

Nah. Cave gave Thomas more credit in GTs than I ever did. Always found it unusual. I can almost guarantee that you're mixing him up with someone else (perhaps me).

I thought you were going to show me all these Isaiah Thomas arguments we had? I pretty much recall all the Caveman ones. Lots of people hate Isaiah, I was just laughing at them hard when he was leading the team and being an MVP candidate. Truth18, Caveman, etc. can dance while he’s coming off injury now but you guys were all wrong when he was clearly playing well and denied it.

You can say whatever you want but Exculpatory, myself and multiple other posters discussed his injury risk as both a short PG and as someone with his hip issues in two different threads. We were some of the few people suggesting that Ainge shouldn't bring him back if we wanted to truly contend in the next few years (it didn't seem possible [Ainge is God], but we wanted him gone regardless).

My argument was this is laughable because EVERYONE gets injured at least at some point; and yet with Thomas it just so happens the guys that hate him are using THIS as their platform because he proved you wrong during the season. His injury history prior to this season was better than a lot of players. But we didn’t see theories on them... nope just the guy you hate lol.

Shorty was never a player who was going to be a true winner. His game, even at its peak, was a false promise that could be easily game planned for.

I think it’s been proven otherwise when healthy. Easy to say now at a low point.

Perhaps Cave's constant victory laps are a bit immature, but they are no more embarassing than all of you trying to walk back your support of a mediocre basketball player. You don't get to whine about him being injured. Many people knew he was going to get injured. No one is happy about it but we saw it coming. You didn't, because you liked his energy, or something.

Of COURSE it’s immature lol. This thing has been dead and buried a long time ago. He can’t handle being wrong; and using his current injury to justify being wrong that whole season that’s all this is.

I’m not walking back anything. I’ve been very consistent this whole time. Notice I only responded to post directed at me. I’m not the one that starts this sh-t but I’m damn well gonna respond.

1. I cannot show you those arguments as search is broken. I could easily do it otherwise.

2. I never said Thomas didn't have a decent offensive game. I never denied that he was playing well. I constantly pointed out that he was a fake star with poor defense who would not truly contend if paid the money he wanted. I said that he would be a great super sixth man, pay included. That doesn't mean I didn't give him the praise he deserved. Probably the most VCs I've given to an individual dude on a season.

3. No idea what your point about everyone getting injured is. His size, position, style of play and, later, his medical history were all huge red flags that his stans compeltely ignored because "Oooo offense". And yes, I do give theories on other players injury risk at all. I'm not sure why you are claiming otherwise, Jimmy and Russ are two guys I've discussed extensively in this manner.

4. It has not been proven otherwise. Regardless of injuries, the guys ceiling was incredibly low if paid the amount he wanted.

5. You are correct that Cave brought this up and you're simply responding. Your only correct point above.

[truth18]

Enough chest pounding and IT talk. Take it to PMs if you want to continue. Thanks.

I was typing that long response and didn't see this, my fault.

[tlee324]

TWITTER lol

[bucknersrevenge]

My Twitter handle is @TrottJLee guys so you don’t need to make subtle comments to hijack threads.

Dude. That's you?? Completely unrelated, I had no idea that that's who you are.