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Post#961 » by playa-hater » Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:55 am

100proof wrote:Offseason.

Robert williams, carson edwards, #26 to brooklyn for jarrett Allen.
Brooklyn doesnt want to up his contract in a year (assumption) so a cheap shot blocker to grrom behind deandre and a pick are the consolation.

Hayward to Atlanta for 6 and huerter
Atlanta nabs a free agent and preserves max capspace for 2021. Improves immediately.

Kanter and #26 to sAS for johnson

Jarret Allen for a sign and traded mudiay, and the tpe and #6 from the hayward trade for gobert.

Kemba/mudiay/waters
Smart/romeo
Brown/johnson/semi
Tatum/gwilliams
Gobert/theis/poirier


there is NO way Atlanta gives up the 6th pick for a player who is near 30, with a big contract, who is injury prone, and only has one year left on his deal.

This is not the Utah Hayward we are talking about..
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#962 » by bucknersrevenge » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:45 am

playa-hater wrote:
100proof wrote:Offseason.

Robert williams, carson edwards, #26 to brooklyn for jarrett Allen.
Brooklyn doesnt want to up his contract in a year (assumption) so a cheap shot blocker to grrom behind deandre and a pick are the consolation.

Hayward to Atlanta for 6 and huerter
Atlanta nabs a free agent and preserves max capspace for 2021. Improves immediately.

Kanter and #26 to sAS for johnson

Jarret Allen for a sign and traded mudiay, and the tpe and #6 from the hayward trade for gobert.

Kemba/mudiay/waters
Smart/romeo
Brown/johnson/semi
Tatum/gwilliams
Gobert/theis/poirier


there is NO way Atlanta gives up the 6th pick for a player who is near 30, with a big contract, who is injury prone, and only has one year left on his deal.

This is not the Utah Hayward we are talking about..


Jeez you're the 2nd person I've seen today who wants to give up 3 players for Jarrett Allen. I love Allen but damn...that's a lot for Jarrett Allen.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#963 » by playa-hater » Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:57 am

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100proof wrote:Offseason.

Robert williams, carson edwards, #26 to brooklyn for jarrett Allen.
Brooklyn doesnt want to up his contract in a year (assumption) so a cheap shot blocker to grrom behind deandre and a pick are the consolation.

Hayward to Atlanta for 6 and huerter
Atlanta nabs a free agent and preserves max capspace for 2021. Improves immediately.

Kanter and #26 to sAS for johnson

Jarret Allen for a sign and traded mudiay, and the tpe and #6 from the hayward trade for gobert.

Kemba/mudiay/waters
Smart/romeo
Brown/johnson/semi
Tatum/gwilliams
Gobert/theis/poirier


there is NO way Atlanta gives up the 6th pick for a player who is near 30, with a big contract, who is injury prone, and only has one year left on his deal.

This is not the Utah Hayward we are talking about..


Jeez you're the 2nd person I've seen today who wants to give up 3 players for Jarrett Allen. I love Allen but damn...that's a lot for Jarrett Allen.


I am assuming you are not directing this at me...

for me R Williams > Jared Allen anyway..
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Post#964 » by Curmudgeon » Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:59 am

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for me R Williams > Jared Allen anyway..


Maybe in a year, but not now.
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Post#965 » by playa-hater » Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:28 am

Currently there are 2 players (though can only trade for one) that I would love Boston to get.. That is John Collins for his ability to stretch the floor, play decent defense in space, and can finish big-time. Ainge already loves him. problem is he may garner a near MAX level contract extension. That is something I don't know if Ainge and Boston would want.

The other, Lauri Markkanen, a 7fter who can shoot but is not fitting well with Chicago...

I think either can be had, with a combination of pick/s and/or players.
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Post#966 » by 100proof » Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:30 am

I believe a variation of this has already been posted here maybe? But regardless.

Hayward and timelord to GSW
Wiggins, Romeo, kanter, #14 and a second to Detroit
Snell Rose and #2 to celtics

GSW gears up for another title run with a shotblocking center and Hayward
Detroit adds lots of youth and a scoring threat on the wings.
Celtics add a bench and save alot of money.

Kemba/rose/waters
Smart/ramsay(30)
Brown/Snell/Semi(qo)
Tatum/GrantW/T. Bey(26)
Theis/wiseman(2)/Poirier

Creates a tpe of about 20 million. So can use for a trade for depth, or renouce it and use full mle.
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Post#967 » by playa-hater » Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:34 am

100proof wrote:I believe a variation of this has already been posted here maybe? But regardless.

Hayward and timelord to GSW
Wiggins, Romeo, kanter, #14 and a second to Detroit
Snell Rose and #2 to celtics

GSW gears up for another title run with a shotblocking center and Hayward
Detroit adds lots of youth and a scoring threat on the wings.
Celtics add a bench and save alot of money.

Kemba/rose/waters
Smart/ramsay(30)
Brown/Snell/Semi(qo)
Tatum/GrantW/T. Bey(26)
Theis/wiseman(2)/Poirier

Creates a tpe of about 20 million. So can use for a trade for depth, or renouce it and use full mle.


I think Wiseman is still a few years away from being able to be a dominant Big. He is talented but very raw.. Celtics have to start aiming at winning EVERYTHING starting this year and next..
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Post#968 » by 100proof » Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:52 am

playa-hater wrote:
100proof wrote:I believe a variation of this has already been posted here maybe? But regardless.

Hayward and timelord to GSW
Wiggins, Romeo, kanter, #14 and a second to Detroit
Snell Rose and #2 to celtics

GSW gears up for another title run with a shotblocking center and Hayward
Detroit adds lots of youth and a scoring threat on the wings.
Celtics add a bench and save alot of money.

Kemba/rose/waters
Smart/ramsay(30)
Brown/Snell/Semi(qo)
Tatum/GrantW/T. Bey(26)
Theis/wiseman(2)/Poirier

Creates a tpe of about 20 million. So can use for a trade for depth, or renouce it and use full mle.


I think Wiseman is still a few years away from being able to be a dominant Big. He is talented but very raw.. Celtics have to start aiming at winning EVERYTHING starting this year and next..


Keep kanter then and trade poirier. Its not a difference to the team this year outside of a far superior bench.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#969 » by dlamb8888888 » Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:18 am

100proof wrote:Offseason.

Robert williams, carson edwards, #26 to brooklyn for jarrett Allen.
Brooklyn doesnt want to up his contract in a year (assumption) so a cheap shot blocker to grrom behind deandre and a pick are the consolation.

Hayward to Atlanta for 6 and huerter
Atlanta nabs a free agent and preserves max capspace for 2021. Improves immediately.

Kanter and #26 to sAS for johnson

Jarret Allen for a sign and traded mudiay, and the tpe and #6 from the hayward trade for gobert.

Kemba/mudiay/waters
Smart/romeo
Brown/johnson/semi
Tatum/gwilliams
Gobert/theis/poirier


None of these proposed trades are even close to realistic, imo. Ainge would get hung up on immediately and blackballed if he tried to offer any of those deals.
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Post#970 » by jmr07019 » Tue Sep 15, 2020 4:15 am

Hayward, Grant, Rob Williams, our 3 firsts this year for Vucevic, Ross and Aminu.

Orlando decides to blow it up and tank next year with Isaac injured. They can't get any blue chip assets for Vucevic so they decide to take the Celtics pu pu platter while also clearing Ross's and Aminu's salary off their books. Orlando isn't really interested in Hayward they just like the expiring salary. They get what they can for him or buy him out.

The Celtics are trying to win it all right now around the Kemba, Smart, Brown, Tatum, Theis core. We need veterans off the bench and can't afford to wait for the rookies to develop. We trade 1 30 year old and some rookie contract players for 3 30 year olds. We need more scoring in the closing lineup.... You can put Vucevic in for Theis. We need a consistent bench scorer and a shooter. Ross fits the bill. We need big man depth. The center position is now manned by either Theis or Vucevic the entire game. We need wing depth. Ross and Aminu fill that roll. If Romeo gives you anything you're really in business. Grab a backup pg and you're good to go.

I know Hayward can do a lot of what I said Ross and Aminu can do but the upgrade from Kanter and Rob Williams to Vucevic is massive.
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Post#971 » by celticfan42487 » Tue Sep 15, 2020 4:40 am

We really need to trade Hayward. After next year he'll be unrestricted and he'll know he'll only has 2 maybe 3 years left in him and coming off his max contract . That's a Ray Allen situation if I've ever seen one and he'll just sign with a contender to try and win a ring, whomever is the Clippers of that season that he can fill in as a 6th man occasional starter.

We need to trade him even if it's one of those traditional cap dump and future first deals we need to recoup on him so at least we can maybe use those in the future to get a piece next to this core that will last. Ainge has to look at every deal as getting ready to convince Tatum to sign his max AFTER RFA, when we're in real danger of losing him. And nothing else or we'll be in a horrible spot in a few years.

Right now of potential teams that are DESPERATE to turn things around and may actually be willing to overpay for an expiring Hayward are:

Houston
Milwake
76ers

I don't see that list increasing. The Clippers even if they lose tomorrow have endless amount of talent, if anything they need know your role 3 and D guys. They won't use Hayward's ballhandling with Sweet Lou, PG13, and Kawhi which is a lot of his value beyond a 3 and D guy. Lakers probably would be interested regardless but they are winning it with scrap heaps of free agency, I'm sure they'll upgrade their bench next year as the #1 spot for vets to goto for nothing.

Of those 3 teams that should be desperate for a player like Hayward... you're going to **** kill me but it seems like MIL has nothing (other than a Lopez and Bledsoe trade but they wouldn't do that) and HOU has nothing to offer (Covington and Gordon). This seems to be the best option:

Hayward for Tobias Harris and ideally like an unconditional first 3 years from now. This is a backend kind of Nets rebuild built in with a guy who doesn't exactly fit our team as he's a PF like Tatum but he did put up on a team that doesn't really fit: 19.6 ppg 7 rpg 3.2 aspg. Similar stats to Hayward, signed long term, 28 years old.

That seems to be our best option for a Hayward trade. Now can the Celtics afford 4 max contracts with a core of Kemba, Brown, Tatum, Harris? I'm not sure. But Tobias WILL be around for his prime for the next 5 years and knowing us he'd split time at Center as well as PF and we'd get bigger with Tatum at SF. That keeps our switchability going.

That trade is 100% a bet against Embiid's body surviving that long or skill developing. And 100% against Simmond developing a jump shot. It also leaves that juicy pick on the table for a final move, a like Kemba and 76ers pick for another star to par with Tatum, Brown, Harris to put us over the top and win a title.

No other trade with the desperate win now teams are as interesting.

MIL: It'd be 2/3 of Bledsoe, Lopez, and Hill for Hayward. I don't even think MIL would do anything but a Bledsoe and Hill and that kills us. I'd rather have the capspace as Lopez and George Hill probably don't have any more years left in their bodies than Hayward does.

HOU: Eric Gordon and Robert Covington for Hayward. My first thought is that would be a steal for the Celtics as Covington just fits in perfectly on any team and Gordon is good.

Then I realized Eric Gordon is on a long contract and: 6'4", 31 years old, 14.4 ppg 37% fg and 32% from 3...again I'd rather have empty cap space than have him on our team and lose Hayward in unrestricted free agency.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#972 » by celticfan42487 » Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:15 am

I forgot the Warriors actually.

With Wiggins, #2 this draft, and MIN's pick next year.

Depends how you'd feel about getting Wiggin's contract. Also I don't think Hayward would be signed and available to trade in the draft so it makes trading for prospects tougher.

But regardless we can't deny a 25 year old Wiggins perfectly matchs up with the current Celtics core of Brown and Tatum.

22 ppg 44%fg 33% from 3. 6'7" 197 would be a big switchable guy. But how bad is his defense and is it worth it.

I think this would have been more interesting if involved a trade up on draft day, but it's almost a certainty that Hayward won't be able to opt into his contract before then.
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Post#973 » by LewisnotMiller » Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:25 am

snowman wrote:Does Semi have a future with this team. I forget that he was drafted the same year as Tatum. He is what he is at this point. I really don't expect him to get any better. G. Will does everything Semi can do now, and is just a rookie. Who did Brad have finishing game 7 ? It wasn't Semi. Don't pick up his option, or pick it up and trad him. He can be upgraded by a draft pick.


I've long thought that Semi could develop into the world's most useful tenth man (which is equal parts knock and compliment), but for all the short armed free throws, Grant looked good to go with his corner 3 and decent d.
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Post#974 » by LewisnotMiller » Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:31 am

Sorry...duplicate.
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Post#975 » by LewisnotMiller » Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:33 am

celticfan42487 wrote:We really need to trade Hayward. After next year he'll be unrestricted and he'll know he'll only has 2 maybe 3 years left in him and coming off his max contract . That's a Ray Allen situation if I've ever seen one and he'll just sign with a contender to try and win a ring, whomever is the Clippers of that season that he can fill in as a 6th man occasional starter.

We need to trade him even if it's one of those traditional cap dump and future first deals we need to recoup on him so at least we can maybe use those in the future to get a piece next to this core that will last. Ainge has to look at every deal as getting ready to convince Tatum to sign his max AFTER RFA, when we're in real danger of losing him. And nothing else or we'll be in a horrible spot in a few years.

Right now of potential teams that are DESPERATE to turn things around and may actually be willing to overpay for an expiring Hayward are:

Houston
Milwake
76ers

I don't see that list increasing. The Clippers even if they lose tomorrow have endless amount of talent, if anything they need know your role 3 and D guys. They won't use Hayward's ballhandling with Sweet Lou, PG13, and Kawhi which is a lot of his value beyond a 3 and D guy. Lakers probably would be interested regardless but they are winning it with scrap heaps of free agency, I'm sure they'll upgrade their bench next year as the #1 spot for vets to goto for nothing.

Of those 3 teams that should be desperate for a player like Hayward... you're going to **** kill me but it seems like MIL has nothing (other than a Lopez and Bledsoe trade but they wouldn't do that) and HOU has nothing to offer (Covington and Gordon). This seems to be the best option:

Hayward for Tobias Harris and ideally like an unconditional first 3 years from now. This is a backend kind of Nets rebuild built in with a guy who doesn't exactly fit our team as he's a PF like Tatum but he did put up on a team that doesn't really fit: 19.6 ppg 7 rpg 3.2 aspg. Similar stats to Hayward, signed long term, 28 years old.

That seems to be our best option for a Hayward trade. Now can the Celtics afford 4 max contracts with a core of Kemba, Brown, Tatum, Harris? I'm not sure. But Tobias WILL be around for his prime for the next 5 years and knowing us he'd split time at Center as well as PF and we'd get bigger with Tatum at SF. That keeps our switchability going.

That trade is 100% a bet against Embiid's body surviving that long or skill developing. And 100% against Simmond developing a jump shot. It also leaves that juicy pick on the table for a final move, a like Kemba and 76ers pick for another star to par with Tatum, Brown, Harris to put us over the top and win a title.

No other trade with the desperate win now teams are as interesting.

MIL: It'd be 2/3 of Bledsoe, Lopez, and Hill for Hayward. I don't even think MIL would do anything but a Bledsoe and Hill and that kills us. I'd rather have the capspace as Lopez and George Hill probably don't have any more years left in their bodies than Hayward does.

HOU: Eric Gordon and Robert Covington for Hayward. My first thought is that would be a steal for the Celtics as Covington just fits in perfectly on any team and Gordon is good.

Then I realized Eric Gordon is on a long contract and: 6'4", 31 years old, 14.4 ppg 37% fg and 32% from 3...again I'd rather have empty cap space than have him on our team and lose Hayward in unrestricted free agency.

I think I'd rather have a year of Hayward than Harris long term, though. I get that the pick is the sweetener, but I don't see it being offered without heavy protection. If it were unprotected...I mean...maybe. Then it's a straight health bet, and you hope the injury risks go down. Or you end up with yet another middling pick in the teens/twenties.

Incidentally, would Philly do this for cap relief (not signing Hayward after the year) or in the hope they can sign him to a more reasonable deal and he can approximate Harris for them? I am assuming the latter (and he fits with Simmons better) but they have no guarantee on what he'll do, so it would impact on the price.

Our window might very well be now. I'm not saying 'future be damned', but I'm uninterested in future draft picks except for their currency right at this moment. We have a stack of kids already.

PS. Don't mean to sound too negative. I get that Harris represents an uptick in health and age, kinda fits our team maybe, and that if we trade Gordon it will be for someone flawed/bad salary, etc. I'd just keep Gordon unless there's more out there than I think, though. Maybe talk to him about being a permanent six man.
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Post#976 » by 100proof » Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:37 am

jmr07019 wrote:Hayward, Grant, Rob Williams, our 3 firsts this year for Vucevic, Ross and Aminu.

Orlando decides to blow it up and tank next year with Isaac injured. They can't get any blue chip assets for Vucevic so they decide to take the Celtics pu pu platter while also clearing Ross's and Aminu's salary off their books. Orlando isn't really interested in Hayward they just like the expiring salary. They get what they can for him or buy him out.

The Celtics are trying to win it all right now around the Kemba, Smart, Brown, Tatum, Theis core. We need veterans off the bench and can't afford to wait for the rookies to develop. We trade 1 30 year old and some rookie contract players for 3 30 year olds. We need more scoring in the closing lineup.... You can put Vucevic in for Theis. We need a consistent bench scorer and a shooter. Ross fits the bill. We need big man depth. The center position is now manned by either Theis or Vucevic the entire game. We need wing depth. Ross and Aminu fill that roll. If Romeo gives you anything you're really in business. Grab a backup pg and you're good to go.

I know Hayward can do a lot of what I said Ross and Aminu can do but the upgrade from Kanter and Rob Williams to Vucevic is massive.



I would probably do vuc and ross for hayward plus. Not sure i like aminu though
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Post#977 » by 100proof » Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:08 pm

celticfan42487 wrote:We really need to trade Hayward. After next year he'll be unrestricted and he'll know he'll only has 2 maybe 3 years left in him and coming off his max contract . That's a Ray Allen situation if I've ever seen one and he'll just sign with a contender to try and win a ring, whomever is the Clippers of that season that he can fill in as a 6th man occasional starter.

We need to trade him even if it's one of those traditional cap dump and future first deals we need to recoup on him so at least we can maybe use those in the future to get a piece next to this core that will last. Ainge has to look at every deal as getting ready to convince Tatum to sign his max AFTER RFA, when we're in real danger of losing him. And nothing else or we'll be in a horrible spot in a few years.

Right now of potential teams that are DESPERATE to turn things around and may actually be willing to overpay for an expiring Hayward are:

Houston
Milwake
76ers

I don't see that list increasing. The Clippers even if they lose tomorrow have endless amount of talent, if anything they need know your role 3 and D guys. They won't use Hayward's ballhandling with Sweet Lou, PG13, and Kawhi which is a lot of his value beyond a 3 and D guy. Lakers probably would be interested regardless but they are winning it with scrap heaps of free agency, I'm sure they'll upgrade their bench next year as the #1 spot for vets to goto for nothing.

Of those 3 teams that should be desperate for a player like Hayward... you're going to **** kill me but it seems like MIL has nothing (other than a Lopez and Bledsoe trade but they wouldn't do that) and HOU has nothing to offer (Covington and Gordon). This seems to be the best option:

Hayward for Tobias Harris and ideally like an unconditional first 3 years from now. This is a backend kind of Nets rebuild built in with a guy who doesn't exactly fit our team as he's a PF like Tatum but he did put up on a team that doesn't really fit: 19.6 ppg 7 rpg 3.2 aspg. Similar stats to Hayward, signed long term, 28 years old.

That seems to be our best option for a Hayward trade. Now can the Celtics afford 4 max contracts with a core of Kemba, Brown, Tatum, Harris? I'm not sure. But Tobias WILL be around for his prime for the next 5 years and knowing us he'd split time at Center as well as PF and we'd get bigger with Tatum at SF. That keeps our switchability going.

That trade is 100% a bet against Embiid's body surviving that long or skill developing. And 100% against Simmond developing a jump shot. It also leaves that juicy pick on the table for a final move, a like Kemba and 76ers pick for another star to par with Tatum, Brown, Harris to put us over the top and win a title.

No other trade with the desperate win now teams are as interesting.

MIL: It'd be 2/3 of Bledsoe, Lopez, and Hill for Hayward. I don't even think MIL would do anything but a Bledsoe and Hill and that kills us. I'd rather have the capspace as Lopez and George Hill probably don't have any more years left in their bodies than Hayward does.

HOU: Eric Gordon and Robert Covington for Hayward. My first thought is that would be a steal for the Celtics as Covington just fits in perfectly on any team and Gordon is good.

Then I realized Eric Gordon is on a long contract and: 6'4", 31 years old, 14.4 ppg 37% fg and 32% from 3...again I'd rather have empty cap space than have him on our team and lose Hayward in unrestricted free agency.


Not a huge fan of Tobias as he tends to disappear and I dont think he is really good defensively. He is just a much worse Tatum getting paid alot of money.

Hayward would be a great fit in Milwaukee as well, but what is our return? They have mostly trash there that I would not want on my team. And their picks are pretty worthless, I would assume a deal with the bucks would have to center around Bledsoe, and we have ZERO need for him. So a 3rd team would need to be involved. But who wants Bledsoe? Maybe Chicago? Dallas?

I cannot see a deal with the Rockets working out unless they can find a taker for Westbrook. And I cannot see any team wanting to take Westbrook. Maybe Knicks?
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Post#978 » by celticfan42487 » Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:30 pm

LewisnotMiller wrote:
celticfan42487 wrote:We really need to trade Hayward. After next year he'll be unrestricted and he'll know he'll only has 2 maybe 3 years left in him and coming off his max contract . That's a Ray Allen situation if I've ever seen one and he'll just sign with a contender to try and win a ring, whomever is the Clippers of that season that he can fill in as a 6th man occasional starter.

I think I'd rather have a year of Hayward than Harris long term, though. I get that the pick is the sweetener, but I don't see it being offered without heavy protection. If it were unprotected...I mean...maybe. Then it's a straight health bet, and you hope the injury risks go down. Or you end up with yet another middling pick in the teens/twenties.

Incidentally, would Philly do this for cap relief (not signing Hayward after the year) or in the hope they can sign him to a more reasonable deal and he can approximate Harris for them? I am assuming the latter (and he fits with Simmons better) but they have no guarantee on what he'll do, so it would impact on the price.

Our window might very well be now. I'm not saying 'future be damned', but I'm uninterested in future draft picks except for their currency right at this moment. We have a stack of kids already.

PS. Don't mean to sound too negative. I get that Harris represents an uptick in health and age, kinda fits our team maybe, and that if we trade Gordon it will be for someone flawed/bad salary, etc. I'd just keep Gordon unless there's more out there than I think, though. Maybe talk to him about being a permanent six man.


Yeah incidentally I think Philly does it for many reasons.

The time is now, Embiid will leave them in 3 years even if he doesn't fall to injury.

They can't worry about the future, if they have to delay their rebuild by letting go of a lottery pick down the line to try to make NOW work, then so be it. (incidentally I'd expect the Celtics to also let go of that same lottery pick when it has value in a trade to put real talent around Tatum, not developmental talent. Perhaps packaged with Harris when he has 2 years left on his deal for a disgruntled star)

Hayward is a much better fit for them than Harris because he plays at SF and... well I guess that's it. There's also the part if the Sixers fall apart and start trading people at least with Hayward they can get out of the cap hell faster and not pay lux cap.

The idea for the 76ers though is the only way they can keep Simmons and Embiid is if one of them develops and they become THAT team they were predicted to. In that scenario they would show it next year and not have to worry about Hayward leaving because they'd already be what the Clippers and Lakers were this season themselves with him there, ect.

I'm betting when your goto options are Hayward, Simmons, or Embiid... you're going no where in the playoffs again. But they have to bet on their best case because they are running out of time with Embiid one way or another.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#979 » by 100proof » Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:36 pm

Some morning Hayward Ideas, most likely regurgitated ones from far smarter posters than I.

1) I like this one right now, makes alot of sense for all teams imo,

NYK and Houston
Houston gets: Hayward and Poirier
Knicks get: Westbrook and #26
Celtics get: Frank Ntilikina and #8

Houston improves by adding Hayward, and IMproves by removing Westbrook.
KNicks improves and puts a star in the Garden by adding Westbrook
Celtics add a very solid young backup point, move up in draft and save 24 million in salary (a TPE would be created). (Payroll at 112 million after losing Brad and Green and before signing all picks)

Kemba/Frank
Smart/Romeo
Brown/Semi
Tatum/GrantW
Theis/Kanter/Timelord

+TPE/MLE signing, #8, #14 and #30



2)
Hayward and Edwards to Orlando for Ross and Gordon.
Orlando upgrades starting lineup and Boston adds bench depth. After Smarts breakout, not sure if I want him out of the starting lineup, but either him or Gordon would have to come off bench.

3)
The Dallas trade:
Hayward and 30 for Wright, THJ and #18.
Been discussed to death, but THJ and Wright off the bench here would be a massive improvement.

4)
Wizards trade - Bryant being a player who I think, with the right coach, can be a real excellent value player. So I personally would make this deal very quickly if it was offered.

Washington give Bryant and Brown Jr and gets Hayward, #26 and Poirier.
Washington forms their own big three and shoot hard for playoffs. Basically s*** or getting off the pot here. A healthy Wall, with Beal and Hayward is a prretty deadly trio
Boston adds a potential long term starter at Center spot with a young guy whose age lines up and adds a solid if unspectacular bench swing. Also save close to 24 million in payroll. This deal would require further small deals to be made to sure up a couple of positions (Move Kanter, get a solid backup PG into the TPE or with full MLE)

Kemba/
Smart/Romeo
Brown/Brown Jr
Tatum/GrantW
Theis/Bryant/Kanter/TImelord

5) Hayward to Indiana for Turner and LAmb. Deal would have to start with having Pacer management ingest a medium quantity of LSD.

6) another deal discussed for Hayward I like alot is Hayward, Romeo and Poirier to Detroit for Rose and Snell.
This deal not only gets team far enough below the tax line to use some mle but it also shores up 2 bench positions and gives the team 2 of their larger needs - Scoring off the bench and 3pt shooting.

Kemba/Rose
Smart/
Brown/Snell
Tatum/GrantW
Theis/Kanter/Timelord

7) Memphis for JV +
Boston adds a bigger theis/
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#980 » by 100proof » Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:25 pm

Houston trade Gordon, House some picks
gets: Love and Poirier
Gets Love

Cleveland trades Love,
Gets Hayward and Kanter
Saves alot of Longterm money

Kings trade Barnes, Bjelica
gets: Eric Gordon, Picks from Houston, #30 from Boston
Saves alot of long term money, Gordon is trade bait in the season for picks for them.

Boston trades: Hayward, Kanter, #30
gets: Barnes, Bjelica

Boston sheds 8.7 mill in salary and adds much better fits.

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