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SmartWentCrazy wrote:

Captain_Caveman wrote:Teams can create cap room when they need to. Just as we did with Kemba. Half the league had that ability with Hayward on a 3-year deal that started at $19m prior to COVID.

On Jaylen, still not what I have been saying. I fully understand that slightly overpaying him due to a dearth of free agents this offseason was the only option, I am just lamenting that it had to be that way. And no, not at all realistic to think that we should have passed on Kemba or Hayward just to roll max cap room over for years on end. Even if, like Jaylen, they were and are realistically overpaid by $4m a year or so.

Back to the Pats, PFF stats are tenuous even when they are provided in the form of three seasons' worth of games, as I provided. In the form of a sample size of 4-5 games? Nah. Acting like playing a washed up Newton is saving the Pats from "nuking their culture" is also a bit dramatic. Post opt-outs, we were talking about 6-8 wins this year. Mostly because of Belichick, and because of our defense and McDaniels, and because we have slob teams like the Jets, Broncos, and Texans making up a quarter of our schedule.

My takes on the Pats are also nothing at all like spamming each and every game thread for years on end to constantly complain about a young, and often injured Celtics team that has generally over performed for the most part. Probably more accurate to say that me speaking pragmatically about people's binkies is often a trigger. I took a shot at cam stans yesterday, but to be fair, I was also called out after Game 2 by people saying he was an MVP-caliber leader of a Super Bowl contender, lol.

A) no team was leveraging themselves for Hayward because no team in position to do so was a ‘Hayward type’ away from a title.

B) if we were rollin with Stidham, even more players were opting out because no one believed they could win with him. With ass water Stidham, 4 is probably even generous.

C) I never even came close to doing this. And, for the record, I just looked at the thread and no one else was either.

Captain_Caveman wrote:
You are speaking out of both sides of your mouth on free agency. One one hand, a restricted Jaylen definitely gets a max offer this offseason, on the other, an unrestricted Hayward can't even get a Rozier deal in the same FA class. Really don't see it, particularly in the pre-COVID context that discussion happened in.

As to the Pats, it actually was you that called me out after a Week 2 loss. It was just in another thread: viewtopic.php?p=85183002#p85183002

You were not the one throwing around terms like "MVP form" or "Super Bowl", but then again, I never said you did. But you are literally out of your mind if you think I was in any way unjustified in coming back at you after this last game lol.

I don't think who plays QB is that big a deal for this team. They lack talent at WR and TE, and the o-line was certainly banged up last week. With that said, Cam is not a good passer at all. He has poor vision with a noodle arm, and is already showing signs of breaking down four starts in. That last drive was terrible, and McDaniels had to draw up two different passing plays from Edelman on it.

I was also called out after Game 2 by people saying he was an MVP-caliber leader of a Super Bowl contender, lol

BillTheGOAT wrote:Next two games will define the Pats’ season, whether they’ll be buyers or sellers at the deadline.

vs 49ers 10/25/20
@ Bills 11/01/20

Trade deadline 11/03/20

If they’re 2-5 by that time they’ll clean house IMO.


If they’re 4-3 including beating the Bills, they’ll trade for a pass catcher, preferably two.


If they’re 3-4 (but beat the Bills) they’ll have a choice of either adding someone off waivers but not a big impact guy, or just stand pat and wait for the Bills to crumble.

SmartWentCrazy wrote:Youre ignoring the buyers in the market. None want a 30 yr old. All want youth.

Youre putting words in my mouth. I never called Cam an MVP or the pats a title contender.

This really is basic stuff, Cave. Shocked it needs to be spelt out for you. Looking forward to bumping this and rubbing my nuts all over your face on Sunday.

Me, literally two posts prior wrote:You were not the one throwing around terms like "MVP form" or "Super Bowl", but then again, I never said you did.

threrf23 wrote:

Minshew aint better than Cam, he’s a fun story cuz he’s weird and his stats get inflated cuz he plays so much in garbage time.

Completing 68% of passes this season, good TD/INT ratio, charisma. I'd take Minshew over Cam.