Hal’s Draft Thread

[return2glory]

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Also Quentin Grimes if he's there at 45. We would have to trade one of Langford or Nesmith.

[playa-hater]

My list of hopefuls ranked.

Based on ceiling and Fit combined

Tier 1 * players who I wish were available (slight chance) but probably not gonna happen.

1-Roko - best combo of talent/skill/need
2- JT Thor -maybe the highest upside
3- Greg Brown - my personal highest hope for.
4- Trey Murphy - sticking with my OG Anoby comparison.

Tier 2 * decent chance

1- Vrenz Bleijenbergh - some experience and physical strength away from being a serious talent IMO
2- BJ Boston - perfect example of the type of wings I like.
3- Isaiah Todd - high ceiling IMO
4- Miles McBride * despite not needing his position as much- Colin Sexton lite
5- RaiQuan Gray - if he proves his shooting is legit
6- Joel Ayayi - more as a Big PG/Combo guard
7- Kessler Edwards - TJ Warren lite IMO.
8- Jericho Sims - one of the few centers
9- Jermiah Robinson Earl (would rank higher if we didn't make trade for Moses)
10- Marcus Bagley - most underrated SF

*** I am sure I forgot someone. (or didn't include due to not believing available in our draft spot)

*** did not include too many centers for obvious reasons.. (we are loaded at that position).. Finally !!

OH and can we buy a damn pick Stevens????

1) Nice list.

2) Based on a few mocks I checked out yesterday, it seems highly unlikely that the following guys will be there still at pick 45:

Boston, Roko, Thor, Murphy, McBride. If 1 of them slips, you take him but it seems very unlikely.

Bagley, Robinson-Earl and Brown will probably be gone too, but a slight chance they'll still available.

3) 4 other names you might want to check out:
-Santi Aldama
-Moses Wright
-Joe Wieskamp
-Isaiah Livers

These 4 guys above are all very intriguing to me and all 4 will likely still be available at 45..

And if you like McBride, check out DJ Carton. Carton is similar to McBride, one poster in the NBA draft forum on realgm actually ranks Carton slightly higher and Carton will almost definitely still be available at 45 whereas McBride will almost definitely be gone by our pick..

OK you and returntoglory mentioned him. I looked and I like a lot.. shooter and athlete. Defender??? I have no idea. Need?? maybe not as much. still having a knock down, make you pay type shooter for the Tatum's doubles coming.. Hope Boston takes a damn good look. Maybe Romeo has to be put on notice. Though his 2-3 type of position is not as needed, may be too good to pass up. Like Jericho Sims as well.

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Also Quentin Grimes if he's there at 45. We would have to trade one of Langford or Nesmith.

Same as my previous comments. Though I like Wisekamp a bit more.

[djFan71]

do you know, I was like a 7 ft wing .. why didn't I hear about him..

I can actually picking your mind blowing.

lol, that was supposed to say "picture". I have no idea what "picking your mind blowing" means...

[return2glory]

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You read my mind. Just posted his video. He was pretty good in the tournament. He had a strong season. A 2 way player. Not sure why mock drafts don't have him in the late 1st round.

[playa-hater]

I can actually picking your mind blowing.

lol, that was supposed to say "picture". I have no idea what "picking your mind blowing" means...

lol, I figured it out.

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OH and can we buy a damn pick Stevens????

1) Nice list.

2) Based on a few mocks I checked out yesterday, it seems highly unlikely that the following guys will be there still at pick 45:

Boston, Roko, Thor, Murphy, McBride. If 1 of them slips, you take him but it seems very unlikely.

Bagley, Robinson-Earl and Brown will probably be gone too, but a slight chance they'll still available.

3) 4 other names you might want to check out:
-Santi Aldama
-Moses Wright
-Joe Wieskamp
-Isaiah Livers

These 4 guys above are all very intriguing to me and all 4 will likely still be available at 45..

And if you like McBride, check out DJ Carton. Carton is similar to McBride, one poster in the NBA draft forum on realgm actually ranks Carton slightly higher and Carton will almost definitely still be available at 45 whereas McBride will almost definitely be gone by our pick..

OK you and returntoglory mentioned him. I looked and I like a lot.. shooter and athlete. Defender??? I have no idea. Need?? maybe not as much. still having a knock down, make you pay type shooter for the Tatum's doubles coming.. Hope Boston takes a damn good look. Maybe Romeo has to be put on notice. Though his 2-3 type of position is not as needed, may be too good to pass up. Like Jericho Sims as well.

Wieskamp is 6'7" with a 6'11" wingpsan and 42 inch vertical leap so plays bigger. He had an 11.9% rebound rate which is basically the same as Tatum had so I think he could even play some stretch 4....although Livers is a better post-defender and has like 20 lbs on Wieskamp so he is more of a stretch 4 and Wieskamp is more of a big wing..

there is a few defensive clips in the wieskamp highlight video, showing some nice steals and blocks.

[playa-hater]

1) Nice list.

2) Based on a few mocks I checked out yesterday, it seems highly unlikely that the following guys will be there still at pick 45:

Boston, Roko, Thor, Murphy, McBride. If 1 of them slips, you take him but it seems very unlikely.

Bagley, Robinson-Earl and Brown will probably be gone too, but a slight chance they'll still available.

3) 4 other names you might want to check out:
-Santi Aldama
-Moses Wright
-Joe Wieskamp
-Isaiah Livers

These 4 guys above are all very intriguing to me and all 4 will likely still be available at 45..

And if you like McBride, check out DJ Carton. Carton is similar to McBride, one poster in the NBA draft forum on realgm actually ranks Carton slightly higher and Carton will almost definitely still be available at 45 whereas McBride will almost definitely be gone by our pick..

OK you and returntoglory mentioned him. I looked and I like a lot.. shooter and athlete. Defender??? I have no idea. Need?? maybe not as much. still having a knock down, make you pay type shooter for the Tatum's doubles coming.. Hope Boston takes a damn good look. Maybe Romeo has to be put on notice. Though his 2-3 type of position is not as needed, may be too good to pass up. Like Jericho Sims as well.

Wieskamp is 6'7" with a 6'11" wingpsan and 42 inch vertical leap so plays bigger. He had an 11.9% rebound rate which is basically the same as Tatum had so I think he could even play some stretch 4....although Livers is a better post-defender and has like 20 lbs on Wieskamp so he is more of a stretch 4 and Wieskamp is more of a big wing..

dammitt Hal.. you like too many players. Give me your top 5 or 10 already.. my head is starting to spin with too many choices.. man up

[Hal14]

OK you and returntoglory mentioned him. I looked and I like a lot.. shooter and athlete. Defender??? I have no idea. Need?? maybe not as much. still having a knock down, make you pay type shooter for the Tatum's doubles coming.. Hope Boston takes a damn good look. Maybe Romeo has to be put on notice. Though his 2-3 type of position is not as needed, may be too good to pass up. Like Jericho Sims as well.

Wieskamp is 6'7" with a 6'11" wingpsan and 42 inch vertical leap so plays bigger. He had an 11.9% rebound rate which is basically the same as Tatum had so I think he could even play some stretch 4....although Livers is a better post-defender and has like 20 lbs on Wieskamp so he is more of a stretch 4 and Wieskamp is more of a big wing..

dammitt Hal.. you like too many players. Give me your top 5 or 10 already.. my head is starting to spin with too many choices.. man up

haha

Right now my top 4 are probably Livers, Wieskamp, Aldama and Brown. There's a good chance Brown will be gone, though.

After that I do also like Isiah Todd, Moses Wright and RaiQuan Gray.

Those are probably my top guys at this point with pick 45.

I like Carton a lot but just not sure about drafting a 6'2" PG..

Oh man, Vrenz is in there too somewhere for sure. I do like too many of them lol

This is of course not including guys who will probably be off the board by pick 45..

Still have to look into Kessler Edwards and Herb Jones..

[playa-hater]

Wieskamp is 6'7" with a 6'11" wingpsan and 42 inch vertical leap so plays bigger. He had an 11.9% rebound rate which is basically the same as Tatum had so I think he could even play some stretch 4....although Livers is a better post-defender and has like 20 lbs on Wieskamp so he is more of a stretch 4 and Wieskamp is more of a big wing..

dammitt Hal.. you like too many players. Give me your top 5 or 10 already.. my head is starting to spin with too many choices.. man up

haha

Right now my top 4 are probably Livers, Wieskamp, Aldama and Brown. There's a good chance Brown will be gone, though.

After that I do also like Isiah Todd, Moses Wright and RaiQuan Gray.

Those are probably my top guys at this point with pick 45.

I like Carton a lot but just not sure about drafting a 6'2" PG..

Oh man, Vrenz is in there too somewhere for sure. I do like too many of them lol

This is of course not including guys who will probably be off the board by pick 45..

Still have to look into Kessler Edwards and Herb Jones..

In the dumbest reasons NOT to draft a guy I have this "Livers" story. When I was a kid the only 2 foods I hated to eat was asparagus and "Liver". My mother used to make it with onions and swear by it. Make me eat it. I always felt nauseous eating "liver" .
To this day I learned to eat Asparagus if made a different way. But hell no to Liver.

Drafting "Livers" would give me PTSD.

Ok carry on then. No Livers for me...

[captain green]

Isaiah livers listed at 6'7 coming off an injury and not really projected 40 to 50 I'd rather take whoever falls the most but if that's who we get already better than g.will so.

[Hal14]

dammitt Hal.. you like too many players. Give me your top 5 or 10 already.. my head is starting to spin with too many choices.. man up

haha

Right now my top 4 are probably Livers, Wieskamp, Aldama and Brown. There's a good chance Brown will be gone, though.

After that I do also like Isiah Todd, Moses Wright and RaiQuan Gray.

Those are probably my top guys at this point with pick 45.

I like Carton a lot but just not sure about drafting a 6'2" PG..

Oh man, Vrenz is in there too somewhere for sure. I do like too many of them lol

This is of course not including guys who will probably be off the board by pick 45..

Still have to look into Kessler Edwards and Herb Jones..

In the dumbest reasons NOT to draft a guy I have this "Livers" story. When I was a kid the only 2 foods I hated to eat was asparagus and "Liver". My mother used to make it with onions and swear by it. Make me eat it. I always felt nauseous eating "liver" .
To this day I learned to eat Asparagus if made a different way. But hell no to Liver.

Drafting "Livers" would give me PTSD.

Ok carry on then. No Livers for me...

haha well IDK man, Livers does look like a solid player who could play some stretch 4, good defender, switchable and knock down 3 point shooter. I know it might give you PTSD but he might be just the type of guy you are saying you want to draft..could be a solid pick at 45.

Not sure if it helps, but I think he kind of looks like Jason Mantzoukas who played Rafi on The League was also on Parks and Recreation, haha

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Isaiah livers listed at 6'7 coming off an injury and not really projected 40 to 50 I'd rather take whoever falls the most but if that's who we get already better than g.will so.

Oh wow, I heard he had an injury, didn't realize he had a broken foot, yikes.

That sounds scary considering how much he relies on his explosiveness, quick bursts to the hoop and leaping up at the rim.

We don't want another Time Lord situation with a talented guy who can't stay healthy. Yeah, I think I have to move him down my list..

https://michigan.rivals.com/news/michigan-wolverines-basketball-isaiah-livers-is-closing-in-on-his-return

I guess that explains why his wingspan, height and weight measurements were taken at the combine but there's nothing listed for him for vertical leap, shuttle time, etc.

[playa-hater]

Isaiah livers listed at 6'7 coming off an injury and not really projected 40 to 50 I'd rather take whoever falls the most but if that's who we get already better than g.will so.

Oh wow, I heard he had an injury, didn't realize he had a broken foot, yikes.

That sounds scary considering how much he relies on his explosiveness, quick bursts to the hoop and leaping up at the rim.

We don't want another Time Lord situation with a talented guy who can't stay healthy. Yeah, I think I have to move him down my list..

https://michigan.rivals.com/news/michigan-wolverines-basketball-isaiah-livers-is-closing-in-on-his-return

I guess that explains why his wingspan, height and weight measurements were taken at the combine but there's nothing listed for him for vertical leap, shuttle time, etc.

If I can't get my Tacko, I don't want any Livers... But yes he can shoot it nicely and play some defense, so I'll have to overcome somehow..

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I would look at Joe Wisekamp at #45. Really good shooter.

After looking at a few videos (not just highlights) I am now totally in the Joe Wieskamp Camp (no pun intended) Love the way he can move without the ball. Never looked originally because assumed he was "just a shooter". But his actual height, length and wiry toughness can certainly deal with some switching. I just hate logjams that only serve to get no one in sync. We have to either trade Romeo or NOT sign Fournier. Would also hate not filling in some more needed positions.

If someone has any ideas around that dilemma, I'd like to hear it.

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I would look at Joe Wisekamp at #45. Really good shooter.

After looking at a few videos (not just highlights) I am now totally in the Joe Wieskamp Camp (no pun intended) Love the way he can move without the ball. Never looked originally because assumed he was "just a shooter". But his actual height, length and wiry toughness can certainly deal with some switching. I just hate logjams that only serve to get no one in sync. We have to either trade Romeo or NOT sign Fournier. Would also hate not filling in some more needed positions.

If someone has any ideas around that dilemma, I'd like to hear it.

I'm liking Wieskamp more and more.

I think he can be a big 3 / stretch 4. That video return2glory posted you see Wieskamp post up a bigger guy on Oregon and score on him in the post at the 1:16 mark.

This article here says "Wieskamp dug out seven defensive rebounds, muscling up with four Tar Heels who stood 6-10 or taller. Wieskamp at times guarded a power forward and at other times found himself matched up on a point guard. He did not appear to be at a disadvantage in either scenario."

https://www.hawkcentral.com/story/sports/2020/12/10/iowa-hawkeyes-basketball-joe-wieskamp-value-offense-defense/3886896001/

So there's your switchability and shooting. Over 46% from 3 on over 5 attempts per game. This guy reminds me of a Reggie Miller / Duncan Robinson type except with more explosiveness around the rim, better dunking, better rebounding, better defense.

Only thing is, he's getting lots of hype at the combine so he might be gone before pick 45..

As far as your logjam question, I don't know. I feel like at this point, we're getting closer and closer to true positionless basketball. I mean, you play 1 big man at a time and 1 PG at a time. The other 3 spots on the floor are pretty interchangeable at this point. Hell, often times teams don't even play a big man out there..

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I would look at Joe Wisekamp at #45. Really good shooter.

After looking at a few videos (not just highlights) I am now totally in the Joe Wieskamp Camp (no pun intended) Love the way he can move without the ball. Never looked originally because assumed he was "just a shooter". But his actual height, length and wiry toughness can certainly deal with some switching. I just hate logjams that only serve to get no one in sync. We have to either trade Romeo or NOT sign Fournier. Would also hate not filling in some more needed positions.

If someone has any ideas around that dilemma, I'd like to hear it.

I'm liking Wieskamp more and more.

I think he can be a big 3 / stretch 4. That video return2glory posted you see Wieskamp post up a bigger guy on Oregon and score on him in the post at the 1:16 mark.

This article here says "Wieskamp dug out seven defensive rebounds, muscling up with four Tar Heels who stood 6-10 or taller. Wieskamp at times guarded a power forward and at other times found himself matched up on a point guard. He did not appear to be at a disadvantage in either scenario."

https://www.hawkcentral.com/story/sports/2020/12/10/iowa-hawkeyes-basketball-joe-wieskamp-value-offense-defense/3886896001/

So there's your switchability and shooting. Over 46% from 3 on over 5 attempts per game. This guy reminds me of a Reggie Miller / Duncan Robinson type except with more explosiveness around the rim, better dunking, better rebounding, better defense.

Only thing is, he's getting lots of hype at the combine so he might be gone before pick 45..

My fear is prospects like Wieskamp will now jump up draft boards.

Hoping that there's enough that it forces a good prospect to drop to us at 45

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I would look at Joe Wisekamp at #45. Really good shooter.

After looking at a few videos (not just highlights) I am now totally in the Joe Wieskamp Camp (no pun intended) Love the way he can move without the ball. Never looked originally because assumed he was "just a shooter". But his actual height, length and wiry toughness can certainly deal with some switching. I just hate logjams that only serve to get no one in sync. We have to either trade Romeo or NOT sign Fournier. Would also hate not filling in some more needed positions.

If someone has any ideas around that dilemma, I'd like to hear it.

After reading this, I checked out Joe Wieskamp. He is certainly a player that we should be considering at pick 45. He reminds me a bit of Duncan Robinson. While checking out how Weiskamp did at the combine, I found this article. I was impressed to see that Luka Garza has lost 22 lbs since leaving Iowa. He looks a lot slimmer.

https://www.hawkcentral.com/story/sports/2021/06/24/2021-nba-draft-luka-garza-joe-wieskamp-nba-combine-weight-height-vertical-drills-iowa-basketball/5330190001/

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After looking at a few videos (not just highlights) I am now totally in the Joe Wieskamp Camp (no pun intended) Love the way he can move without the ball. Never looked originally because assumed he was "just a shooter". But his actual height, length and wiry toughness can certainly deal with some switching. I just hate logjams that only serve to get no one in sync. We have to either trade Romeo or NOT sign Fournier. Would also hate not filling in some more needed positions.

If someone has any ideas around that dilemma, I'd like to hear it.

I'm liking Wieskamp more and more.

I think he can be a big 3 / stretch 4. That video return2glory posted you see Wieskamp post up a bigger guy on Oregon and score on him in the post at the 1:16 mark.

This article here says "Wieskamp dug out seven defensive rebounds, muscling up with four Tar Heels who stood 6-10 or taller. Wieskamp at times guarded a power forward and at other times found himself matched up on a point guard. He did not appear to be at a disadvantage in either scenario."

https://www.hawkcentral.com/story/sports/2020/12/10/iowa-hawkeyes-basketball-joe-wieskamp-value-offense-defense/3886896001/

So there's your switchability and shooting. Over 46% from 3 on over 5 attempts per game. This guy reminds me of a Reggie Miller / Duncan Robinson type except with more explosiveness around the rim, better dunking, better rebounding, better defense.

Only thing is, he's getting lots of hype at the combine so he might be gone before pick 45..

My fear is prospects like Wieskamp will now jump up draft boards.

Hoping that there's enough that it forces a good prospect to drop to us at 45

well then let me talk this into existence. BUY a PICK!!!

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