The 2021-2022 I Wouldn't Trade Brown for Simmons Because He's a Clown Trade Thread

[Fierce1]

Tatum and Brown aren't going anywhere.

[keevsnick1]

Every proposed Brown trade falls into one of two camps.

1) A trade where its Brown in exchange for some clearly inferior young player + picks.
or
2) Its Brown more or less straight up for some player roughly on his level.

The first type of trade will never happen because it makes no sense for a team that's trying to win soon to trade a dollar for a couple quarters. they should be trying to combine assets to get better players, not break up better players into assets.

The second type will never happen because that kind of trade just almost literally never happens. Pre-prime all-star's on sub-max deals just don't get dealt unless that player flat out refuses to play for your team (ie Ben Simmons). There are only two trades in the last twenty years off the top of my head that involved a swap of prime all stars. The first is the Kawhi trade, which obviously had the expiring contract factor forcing the Spurs hand. The second is the Marbury-Kidd trade, although its worth noting that both of those guys were on their second (non draft) team and so there's less attachment in that situation to the player.

Why don't these kind of trades happen? Well if you're are a good team you ALWAYS prefer to add to all stars rather than swap them out, most teams realize that if the talent level on your team isn't high enough and you merley swap guys out you aren't going anywhere. Bad teams that trade an all-star level guy meanwhile usually realize its time to rebuild so they go the youth route.

SO I guess I get why many seems to think its a good idea to Swap Jaylen for Beal, KAT ect. It's just A) Those kind of trades feel like a lateral move that basically amounts to crossing your fingers and hoping a change of scenery helps both players/teams and B) Those types of trades never happen.

[Triple7]

Every proposed Brown trade falls into one of two camps.

1) A trade where its Brown in exchange for some clearly inferior young player + picks.
or
2) Its Brown more or less straight up for some player roughly on his level.

The first type of trade will never happen because it makes no sense for a team that's trying to win soon to trade a dollar for a couple quarters. they should be trying to combine assets to get better players, not break up better players into assets.

The second type will never happen because that kind of trade just almost literally never happens. Pre-prime all-star's on sub-max deals just don't get dealt unless that player flat out refuses to play for your team (ie Ben Simmons). There are only two trades in the last twenty years off the top of my head that involved a swap of prime all stars. The first is the Kawhi trade, which obviously had the expiring contract factor forcing the Spurs hand. The second is the Marbury-Kidd trade, although its worth noting that both of those guys were on their second (non draft) team and so there's less attachment in that situation to the player.

Why don't these kind of trades happen? Well if you're are a good team you ALWAYS prefer to add to all stars rather than swap them out, most teams realize that if the talent level on your team isn't high enough and you merley swap guys out you aren't going anywhere. Bad teams that trade an all-star level guy meanwhile usually realize its time to rebuild so they go the youth route.

SO I guess I get why many seems to think its a good idea to Swap Jaylen for Beal, KAT ect. It's just A) Those kind of trades feel like a lateral move that basically amounts to crossing your fingers and hoping a change of scenery helps both players/teams and B) Those types of trades never happen.

Why would they trade their best player for Jaylen? The Wiz and Timberwolves have better record than ours. Better roster fit than ours. Plus Jaylen seems injury prone lately. If we are to trade Jaylen, we won’t get the advantage.

[zoyathedestroya]

Not a trade. But it's time for the annual let's sign Boogie Cousins post.

[Curmudgeon]

Tatum and Brown aren't going anywhere.

Then neither are the Celtics. It's another 40 win season and a 15th pick in the draft. Whoopee!

[Celts17Pride]

Not a trade. But it's time for the annual let's sign Boogie Cousins post.

I’m for getting any player that can knock down a wide open shot at any position. Celtics apparently don’t have any players like that

[playa-hater]

I haven't heard any "get Beal type of scenario".. what happened here. It was written about 10,00 or so..

*Not saying I would or wouldn't just curious..

[Feed Your Head]

I haven't heard any "get Beal type of scenario".. what happened here. It was written about 10,00 or so..

*Not saying I would or wouldn't just curious..

Need the Wizards to suck.

[Fierce1]

Tatum and Brown aren't going anywhere.

Then neither are the Celtics. It's another 40 win season and a 15th pick in the draft. Whoopee!

Nobody expects the Celts to win a championship this season.

It's just a matter of time.

If you're still alive by 2029 then I think you will witness the Celts winning a championship.

[Feed Your Head]

Tatum and Brown aren't going anywhere.

Then neither are the Celtics. It's another 40 win season and a 15th pick in the draft. Whoopee!

Nobody expects the Celts to win a championship this season.

It's just a matter of time.

If you're still alive by 2029 then I think you will witness the Celts winning a championship.

More likely that neither Jay’s are Celtics in 2029 than them both still being here.

[Fierce1]

More likely that neither Jay’s are Celtics in 2029 than them both still being here.

That's fine.

I'm a Celtic fan first and a fan of the Jays 2nd.

I just think that all this talk about trading Tatum or Brown is just crazy talk.

Celts will always end up not getting equal value for Tatum or Brown.

Some of the Celtic fans here are just too impatient.

KD was irrelevant until he went to GSW and his first championship came when he was a 10-year vet.

The Jays will eventually figure it out.

Maybe this current coach is just not the right coach for the Jays.

[Half-Full]

Our team has a problem, and I think it begins with our best player, Tatum. I think it would be wise to consider trading him for two reasons. One, we need a change in our JuJu, and his departure would certainly bring that. Our JuJu is too Tatum heavy. Two, his value would bring back the best return. What could we get for him, and how might it improve our team? That is something that is worth exploring I think.

[Fierce1]

Our team has a problem, and I think it begins with our best player, Tatum. I think it would be wise to consider trading him for two reasons. One, we need a change in our JuJu, and his departure would certainly bring that. Our JuJu is too Tatum heavy. Two, his value would bring back the best return. What could we get for him, and how might it improve our team? That is something that is worth exploring I think.

Not happening.

Tatum's on his way to becoming a top 5 player in the NBA.

Last time Celts had a player of that caliber was Larry Bird.

[Fierce1]

Let's not forget that Devin Booker and Giannis were scoring a lot of points but were never in the finals until the Suns and Bucks upgraded the PG position.

Suns weren't even a playoff team in 2020 then went to the finals in 2021.
The only change made was acquiring one of the best PGs in NBA history.

The Bucks were always getting eliminated in the playoffs, with Bledsoe at PG, but when they acquired Jrue, the Bucks went on to win a championship.

Both Suns and Bucks basically had the same team from 2020 to 2021.

I think the Celts just need a true floor general.

[Feed Your Head]

Our team has a problem, and I think it begins with our best player, Tatum. I think it would be wise to consider trading him for two reasons. One, we need a change in our JuJu, and his departure would certainly bring that. Our JuJu is too Tatum heavy. Two, his value would bring back the best return. What could we get for him, and how might it improve our team? That is something that is worth exploring I think.

If we trade Tatum, it’s the nuclear, blow it up option.

If people want to go that route and tank, sure. But there’s no realistic scenario where we trade Tatum and don’t significantly fall off. You’re not getting a better player, and then it makes your best player an injury prone Jaylen whose never dealt with loaded up defenses. I’m all set with that, personally.

Players of Tatum’s caliber/age are NEVER traded, especially without asking out. That’s for a reason, it’s a talent first league, and the optics would be a horrible message. You can’t win without a top 10 player, and he’s by far our best shot at that, as he’s been right on the fringe the last two years.

[rd26]

Our team has a problem, and I think it begins with our best player, Tatum. I think it would be wise to consider trading him for two reasons. One, we need a change in our JuJu, and his departure would certainly bring that. Our JuJu is too Tatum heavy. Two, his value would bring back the best return. What could we get for him, and how might it improve our team? That is something that is worth exploring I think.

If we trade Tatum, it’s the nuclear, blow it up option.

If people want to go that route and tank, sure. But there’s no realistic scenario where we trade Tatum and don’t significantly fall off. You’re not getting a better player, and then it makes your best player an injury prone Jaylen whose never dealt with loaded up defenses. I’m all set with that, personally.

Players of Tatum’s caliber/age are NEVER traded, especially without asking out. That’s for a reason, it’s a talent first league, and the optics would be a horrible message. You can’t win without a top 10 player, and he’s by far our best shot at that, as he’s been right on the fringe the last two years.

I completely disagree.

For instance, if Portland blows it up, Tatum get you Dame for sure, likely Dame plus CJ.

Brown gets you CJ, maybe Dame if you toss in all your decent players and 10 years worth of picks.

Best option is to figure it out, but if a blowup has to go down, I'm trading Tatum. He brings in twice the haul JB does.

[zoyathedestroya]

Not a trade. But it's time for the annual let's sign Boogie Cousins post.

I’m for getting any player that can knock down a wide open shot at any position. Celtics apparently don’t have any players like that

Bucks stole my idea.

Read on Twitter

Brad too slow.

[reload141]

Spurs can probably get a top 10 pick for Murray. Cs have no assets besides the Jays. Danny flushed that "war chest" down the damn toilet.

No.

The Sac & Memphis picks were supposed to be top 8 picks but Sac & Memphis played out of their skin in the seasons we owned their picks and that set us back.

..ok? They weren't supposed to be anything Lol. There's no such thing as "supposed to". There's what a GM does and doesn't do based on his situation and circumstances. Both times Danny decided to keep the picks and draft garbage. He could've traded those picks when they still had value, or just draft better. He did neither. And this crap team is largely a result of his vision. Last years certainly was, and they were worse than these guys.

This post doesn’t make sense. Sac and Memphis in those years were projected by everyone to be a bottom 8 team. You can go back and look at the projections from absolutely every expert and see that.

[BostonCouchGM]

From an outside perspective, if it did ever come down to Jaylen Brown or Jayson Tatum, it would easily be Tatum. I just wanted to see if Boston fans that watch first-hand would agree. What kind of value would Boston need to even consider it?

To me, it comes down to this. You can trade Jaylen and try to get a better fit. Trading Tatum is the nuclear, blow it up route.

People vary on what it would take to trade Jaylen, but for the most part, most agree that it would have to be a hell of a return.

I'm not a Kings fan... just using this player as a baseline of value. Let's use De'Aaron Fox... If the deal was Fox for Brown and Juancho, how many picks are the Kings needing to add to that?

lol why would SAC take injured Jaylen over Fox even straight up? Too funny. We'd likely need to throw a pick swap down the road as well

[Marvel]

Tatum and Brown aren't going anywhere.

LIke Lillard and McCollum.