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Gordon Hayward has yet to decide if he will opt out of his contract to become a free agent.

"It's hard to think about right now, just because of the season we've had and everything we've gone through," he said at his end-of-season availability. "Today it still feels like you're looking toward the next game, looking toward the next opponent. That's obviously over. But it's hard to shut that off right away."

Hayward has enjoyed his time in Salt Lake City, joining the Utah Jazz in 2010.

"It's been so much fun for me here in Utah. Kind of growing up here, starting a family," he said, adding later: "I have nothing but love for everybody here in Utah."

Hayward is expected to receive interest from the Boston Celtics amongst a number of other teams.

"We certainly want him to continue here. There's certainly a lot of good things happening here," Quin Snyder said.

We should consider hunting other FA SF as well this offseason, maybe with trades or just sign/trade for a big. We can't count that Hayward will sign with us, just like we counted that Durant would sign last year and he went like a bitch to Oakland.

Of course he's going to opt out. Whether that's to sign a max deal there or elsewhere is the only question.

BannerStatus wrote:Of course he's going to opt out. Whether that's to sign a max deal there or elsewhere is the only question.

Not sure, pal. He likes it there in Salt Lake City and the Jazz is just starting to get better again, just won 51 games, went to the Semis, bet the Clippers, IDK man. Of course I want him to come here and play with us over Jae, but it is what it is

romeiroceltic wrote:

BannerStatus wrote:Of course he's going to opt out. Whether that's to sign a max deal there or elsewhere is the only question.

Not sure, pal. He likes it there in Salt Lake City and the Jazz is just starting to get better again, just won 51 games, went to the Semis, bet the Clippers, IDK man. Of course I want him to come here and play with us over Jae, but it is what it is

There's absolutely no reason for him not to opt out, he definitely signs a new contract with Utah or someone else, why would he take like a ten million dollar discount next season by opting in?

what rational would there be for not opting out?. Only thing I could think of would be to give the Jazz a little cap space to sign a FA of sorts...still can't sign a max player i don't think. or maybe donate 15 million to the Jazz?

Froob wrote:

romeiroceltic wrote:

BannerStatus wrote:Of course he's going to opt out. Whether that's to sign a max deal there or elsewhere is the only question.

Not sure, pal. He likes it there in Salt Lake City and the Jazz is just starting to get better again, just won 51 games, went to the Semis, bet the Clippers, IDK man. Of course I want him to come here and play with us over Jae, but it is what it is

There's absolutely no reason for him not to opt out, he definitely signs a new contract with Utah or someone else, why would he take like a ten million dollar discount next season by opting in?

looks like 14 million dollar discount. doesn't make any sense.

brackdan70 wrote:what rational would there be for not opting out?. Only thing I could think of would be to give the Jazz a little cap space to sign a FA of sorts...still can't sign a max player i don't think. or maybe donate 15 million to the Jazz?

What's his max anyways? He'd opt into 16 mill next season. Must be like 25 at least, right?

EDIT: Ah just saw the post above

Froob wrote:

brackdan70 wrote:what rational would there be for not opting out?. Only thing I could think of would be to give the Jazz a little cap space to sign a FA of sorts...still can't sign a max player i don't think. or maybe donate 15 million to the Jazz?

What's his max anyways? He'd opt into 16 mill next season. Must be like 25 at least, right?

EDIT: Ah just saw the post above

he will be 7-9 year player so can get 30 first year.

he has 7 years in the league, so one more season doesn't get him into the next tier either.

brackdan70 wrote:

Froob wrote:

brackdan70 wrote:what rational would there be for not opting out?. Only thing I could think of would be to give the Jazz a little cap space to sign a FA of sorts...still can't sign a max player i don't think. or maybe donate 15 million to the Jazz?

What's his max anyways? He'd opt into 16 mill next season. Must be like 25 at least, right?

EDIT: Ah just saw the post above

he will be 7-9 year player so can get 30 first year.

Well ****, yeah nobody is that generous lol. A point Bill Simmons brought up was last time they signed him they made him go out and get a max contract for them to match, will he be bothered by the slight that he had to prove he was a max contract player? It's possible.

brackdan70 wrote:he has 7 years in the league, so one more season doesn't get him into the next tier either.

Yeah and even so, he could just go 1+1.

romeiroceltic wrote:

BannerStatus wrote:Of course he's going to opt out. Whether that's to sign a max deal there or elsewhere is the only question.

Not sure, pal. He likes it there in Salt Lake City and the Jazz is just starting to get better again, just won 51 games, went to the Semis, bet the Clippers, IDK man. Of course I want him to come here and play with us over Jae, but it is what it is

It's an auto-opt out situation showing the pointlessness of the article

Stay or new destination is the decision

Listening to his exit interview in the locker room- he's up for the taking. Dude sounds like he was out. Go listen to it if you haven't.

brackdan70 wrote:what rational would there be for not opting out?.

It's Supermax dependent. If he gets all nba and the Jazz are willing to offer it, he will have to play on his player option for 17/18 and the extension would kick in starting at 38m and rising to 50m by 2023.

I don't think he'll get it, but him and Paul George are both possibilities.

Banks2Pierce wrote:

brackdan70 wrote:what rational would there be for not opting out?.

It's Supermax dependent. If he gets all nba and the Jazz are willing to offer it, he will have to play on his player option for 17/18 and the extension would kick in starting at 38m and rising to 50m by 2023.

I don't think he'll get it, but him and Paul George are both possibilities.

He can't opt out and then supermax? Is there a summary of all these rules somewhere lol?

His situation is much like Kevin Durant's was. He has genuinely enjoyed being a big fish in a small pond, but he's open to going to a new and better team in a bigger city.

Differences include:
-- He's married with a kid, whereas I think Durant still has a single man's social life.
-- He's not quite of Durant's caliber as a player.
-- He's unlikely to join a team that was already a serious championship contender without him.
-- In particular, moving would not subject him to the opprobrium of going to a "Superteam".

Basketball-wise, the Celtics are clearly a better opportunity than the Jazz. Why? Because the Jazz with him is a similar-strength team to the Celtics without him. And the "Gobert is younger than IT/Horford" counter can be counter-countered by looking at all the Cs' young/draft assets.

Froob wrote:

Banks2Pierce wrote:

brackdan70 wrote:what rational would there be for not opting out?.

It's Supermax dependent. If he gets all nba and the Jazz are willing to offer it, he will have to play on his player option for 17/18 and the extension would kick in starting at 38m and rising to 50m by 2023.

I don't think he'll get it, but him and Paul George are both possibilities.

He can't opt out and then supermax? Is there a summary of all these rules somewhere lol?

Yes, but good luck making it all the way through.http://heathoops.com/2016/12/gordon-haywards-summer-could-be-among-the-most-interesting-in-the-nba/

He is gone.


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Hayward can be a hero in Boston, or an unknown in Utah.



"Gordon Hayward Undecided About Opt Out" is the silliest headline ever. He isn't going to say anything. If he says 'leaving' then he has to put up with many weeks of annoying people. If he says 'staying' then some negotiating power disappears, and at the moment he doesn't know how much money he could possibly be asking for.

The Jazz have no future with anything greater than what they have now. Sign Hayward, overpay Hill, add some late picks, they may make the playoffs and may miss out, sometimes might win a round of the playoffs, there isn't a championship reason for him to stay there. He will spend six years with money and no real wins. After that, rich and old, he will try to sign with a team to ring chase.

Only big, big money or simply being out of the spotlight in Utah, what you get in Utah. He can be as rich as a dozen Mozgovs if he stays there.

If Hayward does get gigantic money, $230million?, then the Jazz will just be like the Vancouver Grizzlies when max-money went to their big center and empty stats forward.

Being settled in SLC, liking his team, getting more money no matter if it is max or super max, he could stay. If not, if he wants the spotlight and to be known by many more NBA fans, then he goes. Boston has money, his coach, draft picks, deep roster of players, two All-Star players if not more, and fresh seafood. A chance to win, the Celtics give him that.

He can't go home to Indiana, no spending money unless Teague leaves and probably George leaves a year later. It would be just Hayward and Turner, which is worse than just Hayward and Gobert and more, more money. Brooklyn, Philadelphia, no reason to go there.

Right now, coin flip between Utah and Boston. If he ends up on the Third All-NBA team, big money option selected, then Utah gets a slight edge.

If Hayward signs here, be prepared to see some seriously vile hatred on the general board