Trade Thread

[Elrod is Back]

It seems likely that Terry plays this entire season with the Cs. He will be a restricted free agent in 2019.

I suspect Danny will have a conversation with Terry's agent like this: "Terry is an RFA. We want him to stay in Boston. If Terry really wants to be a starter elsewhere, we will work with you to do a sign and trade. Otherwise we will likely match any offer."

If Danny does match an offer, then he has Terry on a long-term deal and he can trade Terry to another team after 12-15-19 if the contract is too pricey.

So Terry stays a Celtic (my hope) or we get something for him after this season.

Here is why I am challenged with this idea. Terry making 3 mil for one season and then headed to FA with a 4.5 mil cap hold has significant value to a team in need of a starting pg and preparing to have cap space in '19. Terry as a S&T or after having matched an offer sheet in a season with a ton of space (eliminating the team that signed him to that offer sheet as an option) is not going to have any positive trade value. Rozier is a good player so having him on your roster has its own value and while I think you can move him in a deal if you match it is just in salary no one is likely to kick in anything special for him.

If I can get a first round pick from a bad team I am interested.

I agree that Terry's market value may well be highest right now from the Cs trade perspective.

But the highest priority is to win in 2019. I don't think Danny will do anything that undermines that objective. Trading Terry for a draft pick would likely do so.

[colaroaster]

trade kyrie for brow and give scary terry his money = problem solved

[Edug27]

trade kyrie for brow and give scary terry his money = problem solved

And then Kyrie tells N.O. no way he resigns there next summer = more problems than the Hornets want.

[cloverleaf]

So Courtney Lee being moved to his 8th team in 10 years?

There has got to be some kind of story there.

[cloverleaf]

It seems likely that Terry plays this entire season with the Cs. He will be a restricted free agent in 2019.

I suspect Danny will have a conversation with Terry's agent like this: "Terry is an RFA. We want him to stay in Boston. If Terry really wants to be a starter elsewhere, we will work with you to do a sign and trade. Otherwise we will likely match any offer."

If Danny does match an offer, then he has Terry on a long-term deal and he can trade Terry to another team after 12-15-19 if the contract is too pricey.

So Terry stays a Celtic (my hope) or we get something for him after this season.

Here is why I am challenged with this idea. Terry making 3 mil for one season and then headed to FA with a 4.5 mil cap hold has significant value to a team in need of a starting pg and preparing to have cap space in '19. Terry as a S&T or after having matched an offer sheet in a season with a ton of space (eliminating the team that signed him to that offer sheet as an option) is not going to have any positive trade value. Rozier is a good player so having him on your roster has its own value and while I think you can move him in a deal if you match it is just in salary no one is likely to kick in anything special for him.

If I can get a first round pick from a bad team I am interested.

I agree that Terry's market value may well be highest right now from the Cs trade perspective.

But the highest priority is to win in 2019. I don't think Danny will do anything that undermines that objective. Trading Terry for a draft pick would likely do so.

Agreed. Take TRo off this team this year and the championship chances do really drop. Not worth it on what should be maturing into a vet team after a top pick this coming year too.

Plus there is the Kyrie injury insurance--this year or this offseason.

And he could well be busting out right now like Oladipo.

[Andrew McCeltic]

So Courtney Lee being moved to his 8th team in 10 years?

There has got to be some kind of story there.

I think he’s just good and bad at the same time - good enough that teams want a 3&D wing, but bad enough that he ends up not worth the opportunity cost.

[Fencer reregistered]

Danny has to still have some hope that Davis and NO will decide that trading him next offseason is a good idea. To get him without giving up any current starter except Jaylen, the Cs need to add ~$15 million (very approximate figure) of salary from other guys. Smart's could be a huge piece of that. If Smart is traded, the Cs could really want to keep Rozier. Or Rozier could be S&Ted; if he gets a Myles Turnerish deal, then even the 50% of that that would count in a salary match would be a huge help.

If it so happens that Rozier/New Orleans is a mutual fit anyway, then possibilities expand further.

[Parliament10]

Danny has to still have some hope that Davis and NO will decide that trading him next offseason is a good idea. To get him without giving up any current starter except Jaylen, the Cs need to add ~$15 million (very approximate figure) of salary from other guys. Smart's could be a huge piece of that. If Smart is traded, the Cs could really want to keep Rozier. Or Rozier could be S&Ted; if he gets a Myles Turnerish deal, then even the 50% of that that would count in a salary match would be a huge help.

If it so happens that Rozier/New Orleans is a mutual fit anyway, then possibilities expand further.

It seems more likely that we'd be talking about Horford-type money.
Depends upon whether Horford picks up his last year, or goes in for a longer/cheaper contract.

[Parliament10]

Here is why I am challenged with this idea. Terry making 3 mil for one season and then headed to FA with a 4.5 mil cap hold has significant value to a team in need of a starting pg and preparing to have cap space in '19. Terry as a S&T or after having matched an offer sheet in a season with a ton of space (eliminating the team that signed him to that offer sheet as an option) is not going to have any positive trade value. Rozier is a good player so having him on your roster has its own value and while I think you can move him in a deal if you match it is just in salary no one is likely to kick in anything special for him.

If I can get a first round pick from a bad team I am interested.

I agree that Terry's market value may well be highest right now from the Cs trade perspective.

But the highest priority is to win in 2019. I don't think Danny will do anything that undermines that objective. Trading Terry for a draft pick would likely do so.

Agreed. Take TRo off this team this year and the championship chances do really drop. Not worth it on what should be maturing into a vet team after a top pick this coming year too.

Plus there is the Kyrie injury insurance--this year or this offseason.

And he could well be busting out right now like Oladipo.

Yeah. We're not trading Rozier during this championship season.
It may end up, Rozier (RFA) re-upping with the Celtics for something a bit higher than Smart's deal.

[Fencer reregistered]

It seems more likely that we'd be talking about Horford-type money.

What does that mean?

We can calculate EXACTLY the salary needed; if I recall the CBA correctly it's (0.8 x Davis' salary - $80,000). Most guys count for exactly their actual salaries in such trades; the big relevant exception would be if a guy is S&Ted away, in which case his salary is likely to be counted at a discount (50% if his new salary is more than double his old one, as would surely be the case for Rozier and could well be the case for other candidates as well).

Keeping Horford in a Davis deal would make perfect sense; the only reason not to have them defending whatever banging big centers remain in the league isn't their inability to do so, but rather the wear and tear on them from doing so. Splitting the starting-unit job of doing that between the two of them would be great. And Horford/Davis/Tatum/Hayward/Irving would be an amazingly good defensive unit, Irving's participation notwithstanding, until Horford greatly slows down from age.

[akhan786]

AD is the most valuable asset in the league. I have no doubt in my mind that AD will be a multi MVP winner if he dons Celtic green which I don’t think he’ll be able to win on a team with Lebron in LA. Danny, go get him.

If you’re reading this Danny, you pulled the trigger on Kyrie. And AD is the next one that you have to pull the trigger on even if we deplete all our assets besides Kyrie, Tatum, and Hayward.

[ddb]

Danny Ainge IS NOT going to make any moves right now. It's been 4 games. Geeeesh. BUT since this is the trade thread how about Brown, Rozier, Yabu to Sacto for Giles, Hield, Jackson? We're losing Rozier anyway at the end of the season. Yabu never plays. Brown is super talented, but what we really need is young bigs to develop. We have the wing talent with or without Brown. Plus we still have the Kings pick and the top prospects in 19 are wings.

Reunite Giles with his buddy Tatum in Boston. He gives us 2 talented bigs for the future (Giles & Williams). Hield is more of a shot maker and specialists which is something this team could use. instant offense off the bench. and Jackson is a solid wing role player.

Kyrie-Hayward-Tatum-Horford-Baynes
Smart-Hield-Jackson-Morris-Theis-Giles

[ddb]

here's another one. Brown/Rozier/Yabu to the Bulls for Markennan, Valentine

[K For Three]

ddb, you think Morris is more important to this team then most of us think?

I think most trade ideas have often been Morris or included him. You can kind of tell though (at least early in the season) that Brad is pretty comfortable with him. Morris has been really working hard too out there.

Once Gordon gets full minutes again, it will be interesting.......

Brown/Rozier are in a weird spot right now though IMO.

[Higgs Boston]

Those trades including Brown are horrible, you have to be a Brown hardcore hater.

[Patsfan1081]

Danny Ainge IS NOT going to make any moves right now. It's been 4 games. Geeeesh. BUT since this is the trade thread how about Brown, Rozier, Yabu to Sacto for Giles, Hield, Jackson? We're losing Rozier anyway at the end of the season. Yabu never plays. Brown is super talented, but what we really need is young bigs to develop. We have the wing talent with or without Brown. Plus we still have the Kings pick and the top prospects in 19 are wings.

Reunite Giles with his buddy Tatum in Boston. He gives us 2 talented bigs for the future (Giles & Williams). Hield is more of a shot maker and specialists which is something this team could use. instant offense off the bench. and Jackson is a solid wing role player.

Kyrie-Hayward-Tatum-Horford-Baynes
Smart-Hield-Jackson-Morris-Theis-Giles

You want to use Brown to get a young big and Giles is the guy you have in mind? Brown/Rozier has a decent amount more value, we have no clue what Giles will be outside his injury history. Jackson had anything but a solid rookie season too, he shot 12% on one and a half threes as a rookie!
You have both Williams and Theis as cheap young bigs, plus Ainge has prob three first to play with in the draft. Why not just Brown and draft one of Bassey/Bol/Gafford? Or at least get a equal return back on Brown.

[Patsfan1081]

ddb, you think Morris is more important to this team then most of us think?

I think most trade ideas have often been Morris or included him. You can kind of tell though (at least early in the season) that Brad is pretty comfortable with him. Morris has been really working hard too out there.

Once Gordon gets full minutes again, it will be interesting.......

Brown/Rozier are in a weird spot right now though IMO.

Why are his defensive numbers so bad though? Brad likes his ability to create his own offense however we got to one many ball dominant guys. Boston also has a negative six net rating when Morris is on the floor.

[K For Three]

ddb, you think Morris is more important to this team then most of us think?

I think most trade ideas have often been Morris or included him. You can kind of tell though (at least early in the season) that Brad is pretty comfortable with him. Morris has been really working hard too out there.

Once Gordon gets full minutes again, it will be interesting.......

Brown/Rozier are in a weird spot right now though IMO.

Why are his defensive numbers so bad though? Brad likes his ability to create his own offense however we got to one many ball dominant guys. Boston also has a negative six net rating when Morris is on the floor.

Honestly......lol I can't figure out the Marcus Morris experience myself at times going back to last season. I think he is a good value though considering things. And yeah I sometimes think we have too many ball dominant guys as well here.

Hoping it all works out in the end.


On a side note with the AD stuff it's not looking good early in the season guys. AD is on an early strong MVP run.

[Jaqua92]

I think one or both of Brown/Roz will not be here next season

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[Andrew McCeltic]

Danny Ainge IS NOT going to make any moves right now. It's been 4 games. Geeeesh. BUT since this is the trade thread how about Brown, Rozier, Yabu to Sacto for Giles, Hield, Jackson? We're losing Rozier anyway at the end of the season. Yabu never plays. Brown is super talented, but what we really need is young bigs to develop. We have the wing talent with or without Brown. Plus we still have the Kings pick and the top prospects in 19 are wings.

Reunite Giles with his buddy Tatum in Boston. He gives us 2 talented bigs for the future (Giles & Williams). Hield is more of a shot maker and specialists which is something this team could use. instant offense off the bench. and Jackson is a solid wing role player.

Kyrie-Hayward-Tatum-Horford-Baynes
Smart-Hield-Jackson-Morris-Theis-Giles

Eh. I guess one possibility could be sending SAC their pick in exchange for Giles, if there’s a player they like in July.. but Giles’ value isn’t high right now - he hasn’t shown as much as Brown and has a wicked injury history.