Celtics 2019-20, How much of Roster do we keep together? (Updated: 04-15-19)

[Valid]

Thinking about Ojeleye a little more. I originally voted him as a keeper but now that it looks likely that all 4 first round picks will convey, Along with him not really making any improvement from last year. I think we shouldn’t pick up his option next year. It’s a shame I kind of like him but we need the roster spot.

I actually think Ojeleye has improved significantly.

[Parliament10]

Thinking about Ojeleye a little more. I originally voted him as a keeper but now that it looks likely that all 4 first round picks will convey, Along with him not really making any improvement from last year. I think we shouldn’t pick up his option next year. It’s a shame I kind of like him but we need the roster spot.

Yeah. That's gonna be a Decision, there.
We can keep 20 Players in the offseason. I expect Ojeleye to be in the running.

Theis, Morris, Yabu, Rozier, Wanamaker, Bird. Lots of turnover coming at the bottom of the roster. They need those picks IMO

Theis, is dirt cheap. -- Unless he gets a bigger payday.
Morris and Rozier, I believe will stick, as well.

I feel that this team will keep at least 11 players, from this season.
Particularly, if we win the Title.

[Valid]

Yeah. That's gonna be a Decision, there.
We can keep 20 Players in the offseason. I expect Ojeleye to be in the running.

Theis, Morris, Yabu, Rozier, Wanamaker, Bird. Lots of turnover coming at the bottom of the roster. They need those picks IMO

Theis, is dirt cheap. -- Unless he gets a bigger payday.
Morris and Rozier, I believe will stick, as well.

I feel that this team will keep at least 11 players, from this season.
Particularly, if we win the Title.

If Theis keeps playing at this rate, someone might throw some decent money at him this summer. The good news is that we can match any offer, but something like 3/30 from someone would not surprise me in the slightest.

Morris I'm almost positive is a goner, unfortunately. He is playing himself into a big contract.

[Homerclease]

Yeah. That's gonna be a Decision, there.
We can keep 20 Players in the offseason. I expect Ojeleye to be in the running.

Theis, Morris, Yabu, Rozier, Wanamaker, Bird. Lots of turnover coming at the bottom of the roster. They need those picks IMO

Theis, is dirt cheap. -- Unless he gets a bigger payday.
Morris and Rozier, I believe will stick, as well.

I feel that this team will keep at least 11 players, from this season.
Particularly, if we win the Title.

I think Theis, Morris and Rozier all walk TBH. They are all gonna get significant contract offers on the open market

[Valid]

Theis, Morris, Yabu, Rozier, Wanamaker, Bird. Lots of turnover coming at the bottom of the roster. They need those picks IMO

Theis, is dirt cheap. -- Unless he gets a bigger payday.
Morris and Rozier, I believe will stick, as well.

I feel that this team will keep at least 11 players, from this season.
Particularly, if we win the Title.

I think Theis, Morris and Rozier all walk TBH. They are all gonna get significant contract offers on the open market

We might be able to keep one of the three (namely one of Theis or Rozier because we can match), but yeah; they are going to get paid.

[Parliament10]

Theis, Morris, Yabu, Rozier, Wanamaker, Bird. Lots of turnover coming at the bottom of the roster. They need those picks IMO

Theis, is dirt cheap. -- Unless he gets a bigger payday.
Morris and Rozier, I believe will stick, as well.

I feel that this team will keep at least 11 players, from this season.
Particularly, if we win the Title.

If Theis keeps playing at this rate, someone might throw some decent money at him this summer. The good news is that we can match any offer, but something like 3/30 from someone would not surprise me in the slightest.

Morris I'm almost positive is a goner, unfortunately. He is playing himself into a big contract.

Theis, Morris, Yabu, Rozier, Wanamaker, Bird. Lots of turnover coming at the bottom of the roster. They need those picks IMO

Theis, is dirt cheap. -- Unless he gets a bigger payday.
Morris and Rozier, I believe will stick, as well.

I feel that this team will keep at least 11 players, from this season.
Particularly, if we win the Title.

I think Theis, Morris and Rozier all walk TBH. They are all gonna get significant contract offers on the open market

I feel what both of you are saying.
BUT, I think that the Prospect of Winning Titles, is going to play a big part in the Decision Making, on both sides.

[Homerclease]

Theis, is dirt cheap. -- Unless he gets a bigger payday.
Morris and Rozier, I believe will stick, as well.

I feel that this team will keep at least 11 players, from this season.
Particularly, if we win the Title.

If Theis keeps playing at this rate, someone might throw some decent money at him this summer. The good news is that we can match any offer, but something like 3/30 from someone would not surprise me in the slightest.

Morris I'm almost positive is a goner, unfortunately. He is playing himself into a big contract.

Theis, is dirt cheap. -- Unless he gets a bigger payday.
Morris and Rozier, I believe will stick, as well.

I feel that this team will keep at least 11 players, from this season.
Particularly, if we win the Title.

I think Theis, Morris and Rozier all walk TBH. They are all gonna get significant contract offers on the open market

I feel what both of you are saying.
BUT, I think that the Prospect of Winning Titles, is going to play a big part in the Decision Making, on both sides.

I think timelord makes Theis expendable, Morris is unrestricted and having a career year. Rozier is the most likely to stick. Bird and Wanamaker are toast. They have room for 4 picks without jettisoning Semi

[Valid]

Theis, is dirt cheap. -- Unless he gets a bigger payday.
Morris and Rozier, I believe will stick, as well.

I feel that this team will keep at least 11 players, from this season.
Particularly, if we win the Title.

If Theis keeps playing at this rate, someone might throw some decent money at him this summer. The good news is that we can match any offer, but something like 3/30 from someone would not surprise me in the slightest.

Morris I'm almost positive is a goner, unfortunately. He is playing himself into a big contract.

Theis, is dirt cheap. -- Unless he gets a bigger payday.
Morris and Rozier, I believe will stick, as well.

I feel that this team will keep at least 11 players, from this season.
Particularly, if we win the Title.

I think Theis, Morris and Rozier all walk TBH. They are all gonna get significant contract offers on the open market

I feel what both of you are saying.
BUT, I think that the Prospect of Winning Titles, is going to play a big part in the Decision Making, on both sides.

For sure, but Morris in particular strikes me as the kind of guy who is going to look for dollars, and I can't blame him. Put it this way: someone will likely offer him $15 million a year, whereas the most we will probably be willing to offer him is around $10 million. That's a big difference.

In Rozier's case, I really think he might give some consideration to a discount because of how much he loves it here, but I think there will be someone out there (Orlando? Phoenix?) that offers him 4/60. If that happens, he's almost surely gone.

[Parliament10]

If Theis keeps playing at this rate, someone might throw some decent money at him this summer. The good news is that we can match any offer, but something like 3/30 from someone would not surprise me in the slightest.

Morris I'm almost positive is a goner, unfortunately. He is playing himself into a big contract.

I think Theis, Morris and Rozier all walk TBH. They are all gonna get significant contract offers on the open market

I feel what both of you are saying.
BUT, I think that the Prospect of Winning Titles, is going to play a big part in the Decision Making, on both sides.

I think timelord makes Theis expendable, Morris is unrestricted and having a career year. Rozier is the most likely to stick. Bird and Wanamaker are toast. They have room for 4 picks without jettisoning Semi

I think Yabusele is gone, too.
You may be right about Theis. Though, Theis does have that 3pt shot.

[Valid]

If Theis keeps playing at this rate, someone might throw some decent money at him this summer. The good news is that we can match any offer, but something like 3/30 from someone would not surprise me in the slightest.

Morris I'm almost positive is a goner, unfortunately. He is playing himself into a big contract.

I think Theis, Morris and Rozier all walk TBH. They are all gonna get significant contract offers on the open market

I feel what both of you are saying.
BUT, I think that the Prospect of Winning Titles, is going to play a big part in the Decision Making, on both sides.

I think timelord makes Theis expendable, Morris is unrestricted and having a career year. Rozier is the most likely to stick. Bird and Wanamaker are toast. They have room for 4 picks without jettisoning Semi

Yeah this is exactly where I am. I love Theis, but it's entirely possible that Williams is a more impactful player than Theis as soon as next season (he already may be in some aspects). Morris is almost certainly gone, unless he loves it here so much that he decides to take a massive discount (which he won't).

[snowman]

Of the player whose status is not in concrete for now:

Kyrie needs to be maxed out
Horford needs his option reworked to, say, 20 mill per for 3 years
Morris needs to be resigned for something around Smarts numbers 3 for 30
Baynes to pick up his option
Theis needs tobe resigned for around 3 for 18, like Baynes numbers
Rozier resigned for Smart numbers also
Pick up Semi's option


That leaves Yabu, Wanamaker, Bird. All three need to be moved and replaced. With picks (that aren't traded) and 2 ways available we shopuld be able to do that. Lots of money in contracts, But if we are in the ECF, finals, or winning it all the owners will still make a killer profit.

[Valid]

Of the player whose status is not in concrete for now:

Kyrie needs to be maxed out
Horford needs his option reworked to, say, 20 mill per for 3 years
Morris needs to be resigned for something around Smarts numbers 3 for 30
Baynes to pick up his option
Theis needs tobe resigned for around 3 for 18, like Baynes numbers
Rozier resigned for Smart numbers also
Pick up Semi's option


That leaves Yabu, Wanamaker, Bird. All three need to be moved and replaced. With picks (that aren't traded) and 2 ways available we shopuld be able to do that. Lots of money in contracts, But if we are in the ECF, finals, or winning it all the owners will still make a killer profit.

- Kyrie will be maxed
- Horford will be interesting; I'm sure he's amenable to re-working his deal
- No way Morris signs for 3/30; he is getting 3/45 or 4/60 from someone
- Baynes will be back
- Theis will probably get a 3/30 offer from someone
- Rozier may take a discount, but I get the feeling someone like ORL or PHX offers him 4/60
- Semi will be back

Roster might end up looking very different next season.

[brackdan70]

Yeah. That's gonna be a Decision, there.
We can keep 20 Players in the offseason. I expect Ojeleye to be in the running.

Theis, Morris, Yabu, Rozier, Wanamaker, Bird. Lots of turnover coming at the bottom of the roster. They need those picks IMO

Theis, is dirt cheap. -- Unless he gets a bigger payday.
Morris and Rozier, I believe will stick, as well.

I feel that this team will keep at least 11 players, from this season.
Particularly, if we win the Title.

If we win....or make it to the finals, I agree. I could see a choice between Morris and Rozier pending who we draft

[djFan71]

Of the player whose status is not in concrete for now:

Kyrie needs to be maxed out
Horford needs his option reworked to, say, 20 mill per for 3 years
Morris needs to be resigned for something around Smarts numbers 3 for 30
Baynes to pick up his option
Theis needs tobe resigned for around 3 for 18, like Baynes numbers
Rozier resigned for Smart numbers also
Pick up Semi's option


That leaves Yabu, Wanamaker, Bird. All three need to be moved and replaced. With picks (that aren't traded) and 2 ways available we shopuld be able to do that. Lots of money in contracts, But if we are in the ECF, finals, or winning it all the owners will still make a killer profit.

- Kyrie will be maxed
- Horford will be interesting; I'm sure he's amenable to re-working his deal
- No way Morris signs for 3/30; he is getting 3/45 or 4/60 from someone
- Baynes will be back
- Theis will probably get a 3/30 offer from someone
- Rozier may take a discount, but I get the feeling someone like ORL or PHX offers him 4/60
- Semi will be back

Roster might end up looking very different next season.

I'm not sure on Morris. He'll be 30 by start of next season and holds most value on a contender. How many contenders are going to have $15M in cap space to throw at him? I haven't looked, tbh. Not saying he's back, but I think non-taxpayer MLE is probably his floor, but I don't see how he gets that much higher either. Maybe he goes the Ariza route and signs for big/short money with a **** team hoping for leadership and to "win now" and then gets traded to a contender later. I'm just not sure there's a 4/60 market out there from team that could give it to him. Maybe the Bucks? Or LAC if they make space for Kawhi and have some left over? Knicks? I dunno, I just don't think it's a given he gets those dollars. Kudos to him, if he does, though.

Rest, I agree with.

[Bleeding Green]

Of the player whose status is not in concrete for now:

Kyrie needs to be maxed out
Horford needs his option reworked to, say, 20 mill per for 3 years
Morris needs to be resigned for something around Smarts numbers 3 for 30
Baynes to pick up his option
Theis needs tobe resigned for around 3 for 18, like Baynes numbers
Rozier resigned for Smart numbers also
Pick up Semi's option


That leaves Yabu, Wanamaker, Bird. All three need to be moved and replaced. With picks (that aren't traded) and 2 ways available we shopuld be able to do that. Lots of money in contracts, But if we are in the ECF, finals, or winning it all the owners will still make a killer profit.

- Kyrie will be maxed
- Horford will be interesting; I'm sure he's amenable to re-working his deal
- No way Morris signs for 3/30; he is getting 3/45 or 4/60 from someone
- Baynes will be back
- Theis will probably get a 3/30 offer from someone
- Rozier may take a discount, but I get the feeling someone like ORL or PHX offers him 4/60
- Semi will be back

Roster might end up looking very different next season.

I agree on all this. Next year is a far different roster, even if they don't make any trades. But really the core of Kyrie/Horford/Hayward/Smart/Brown/Tatum is still in Boston with Semi/Williams/Yabusele. And they'll probably bring over the next Wanamaker/Theis from Europe and sign the next Baynes for the MLE or less. This is all assuming no major blockbuster trade for Davis/Zhou Qi/Mason Plumlee. It'll be different, but the core players are all there basically. Semi could be a legit rotation player next year, ditto Williams. And with potential for four first round picks, a lot is up in the air. This is the most fun roster to look at for sure. Very few great teams have this many moving pieces I think.

Baynes might not even be back. They could easily lose Morris, Baynes, Theis, Rozier, Wanamaker without any trades occurring. I could also see them bringing back Rozier, Baynes or Theis (probably not all three), but it's really dependent on how teams view those players in FA. Smart could easily have signed elsewhere if say the Pacers really viewed him as an elite player or something. Maybe some team views Theis like that after he puts up like a 5-6 Win Share season in Boston on 15 minutes a game. Wanamaker is a wildcard at this point too. He's on a one-year deal as far as I can tell and if he gets no minutes I would expect him to have few suitors and he could be back, but it takes just one team to give him a deal that prices the Celtics out of signing their third- or fourth-string PG.

[colaroaster]

very possible mngt tries to add an established big i.e. kd, boogie, greek, or ?? either way they gotta find away to get better. c’s long over-due for a title


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[Parliament10]

Things have changed drastically, since the Anthony Davis Trade Scenario has come into play.

[FlatearthZorro]

Yeah. That's gonna be a Decision, there.
We can keep 20 Players in the offseason. I expect Ojeleye to be in the running.

Theis, Morris, Yabu, Rozier, Wanamaker, Bird. Lots of turnover coming at the bottom of the roster. They need those picks IMO

Theis, is dirt cheap. -- Unless he gets a bigger payday.
Morris and Rozier, I believe will stick, as well.

I feel that this team will keep at least 11 players, from this season.
Particularly, if we win the Title.

Rozier could stick around the QO. Morris imo is gone. He's hinted multiple times he wants money. And it will be his last decent payday. I expect that whoever offers the most, he will go to them. Theis could be had for probably 3-4 mils a year, which is fairly decent in the current NBA for your 12th man...

I still expect us to trade. We will see what or what we gonna trade for Davis? Consolidate picks into the top 5, etc... we will see.

[cloverleaf]

Theis, Morris, Yabu, Rozier, Wanamaker, Bird. Lots of turnover coming at the bottom of the roster. They need those picks IMO

Theis, is dirt cheap. -- Unless he gets a bigger payday.
Morris and Rozier, I believe will stick, as well.

I feel that this team will keep at least 11 players, from this season.
Particularly, if we win the Title.

Rozier could stick around the QO. Morris imo is gone. He's hinted multiple times he wants money. And it will be his last decent payday. I expect that whoever offers the most, he will go to them. Theis could be had for probably 3-4 mils a year, which is fairly decent in the current NBA for your 12th man...

I still expect us to trade. We will see what or what we gonna trade for Davis? Consolidate picks into the top 5, etc... we will see.

I think Mook going will be okay, particularly if GH. JB and JT are all back. They really need to keep Al at the 4 as much as possible too. And if they do manage to somehow have AD here, with at least JT gone from that mix, AD will want to play the 4 when possible too.

And I expect a 4-2 series loss to the Bucks in the next round is the best the C's will get. The Bucks very well could go on to win it all, but at least will take the finals to 7, so some Celtics and fans will sooth themselves that they lost to the champions or the near champions. One way or another, they really need another functional traditional big. Either Williams grows up very fast or they need someone else full-sized for more center minutes.

[Drax]

Keeping Kyrie should be priority #1, #2 and #3, a lot of the other stuff depends on him.

Personally my prefered outcome for the offseason, keep Kyrie, Hayward, Horford, Tatum, Brown and Smart.
- Keep two of Baynes, Theis and Ojeleye.
- Sign or trade for a veteran back up point guard. A Marquis Daniels type of guard, doesn't need heavy minutes but is a reliable pro if need be.
- Roll the dize in the draft, we have a great foundation in place no matter what the next 5+ years we have Tatum/Brown/Smart.

Let Rozier, Morris walk, selfish chuckers no need for them.