Jaylen Brown thread

[KumaJG]

Somethings not right with Brown.

All players have “bad shooting nights” but he is legit missing WIDE OPEN dunks and layups (did anyone catch that twice tonight? Ball flew out of his hands on wide open layups).

He’s also getting relegated to standing in the corner - reminiscent of a Doc Rivers offense, not a great fit for him.

I’m not sure what’s going on - but I’m a little worried. Seems a bit disinterested. I don’t even thinks it’s a shot count thing, he’s just getting looked off/needs to have some touches.

He can't create his own shot. What else do you expect him to do than be a 3 point specialist? He literally can't drive into the paint without losing the ball or having to pick up his dribble, which often leads to a turnover.

Dude, he has turned the ball over all of five times this year and averaged just 1.8 turnovers per game last year. In addition, he shot 62.2 percent at the rim, a percentage Kyrie himself has only topped ONCE in his career (last season at 64.9 percent), and Kyrie is widely considered one of the best finishers in the league. This notion that Brown can't finish is hyperbolic.

Brown is still raw and needs to learn to play under control and he desperately needs to work on his free throws, but we seem to forget that this kid is 21 years old. Just because he isn't Tatum doesn't mean he stinks or that he's a specialist.

It has been three games, and he is obviously still adjusting to playing with Kyrie again PLUS Hayward. He is a year removed from shooting 46.5 percent from the floor and 39.5 percent from three with a 56.2% TS and 54% eFG. He also averaged 18 PPG in the playoffs off 46.6 percent shooting and shot 39.3 percent from three with a 56.3% TS and 54.9% eFG. He also shot 63.9 percent at the rim.

Is Brown going to be a superstar? No. An All-Star? Who knows. I personally think he will end up making a few All-Star games. Regardless, we are being WAY too hard on this 21-year-old kid three games into a season where the entire team is still learning how to play together.

Can we at least wait until December before we crucify him?

The notion of Brown cant comes from layups, which he is terrible at. It year 3, we need to stop calling Brown raw, that is no longer the case.

[Edug27]

Unfortunately for Jaylen, he’s not high on the list of our go-to scorers. But that said, he’s still getting his shots. Just struggling out there. He’s averaging almost 11 pts a game and I swear it could easily be 14-15 if not for some mental lapses... too many missed layups and his habit of shooting that short fadeaway on the way down.

Jaylens game is the 3ball, cutting, and getting out in transition showing off his athleticism. Everything else is extra. If he were money from the line, he’d be even more scary. But at the end of the day he’s fine, He just needs to settle down a bit.

[Bar Fight]

Brown's lack of production is on the pathetic 1-on-1 ball we've been playing. He's a good catch and shoot player and cutter, but that doesn't amount to nothing when we got Morris and Rozier pounding the ball for 10-15 seconds then throwing up some **** **** trash shot.

He should be getting a lot more easy baskets a game to get him going.

[GrandTheftRondo]

He can't create his own shot. What else do you expect him to do than be a 3 point specialist? He literally can't drive into the paint without losing the ball or having to pick up his dribble, which often leads to a turnover.

Dude, he has turned the ball over all of five times this year and averaged just 1.8 turnovers per game last year. In addition, he shot 62.2 percent at the rim, a percentage Kyrie himself has only topped ONCE in his career (last season at 64.9 percent), and Kyrie is widely considered one of the best finishers in the league. This notion that Brown can't finish is hyperbolic.

Brown is still raw and needs to learn to play under control and he desperately needs to work on his free throws, but we seem to forget that this kid is 21 years old. Just because he isn't Tatum doesn't mean he stinks or that he's a specialist.

It has been three games, and he is obviously still adjusting to playing with Kyrie again PLUS Hayward. He is a year removed from shooting 46.5 percent from the floor and 39.5 percent from three with a 56.2% TS and 54% eFG. He also averaged 18 PPG in the playoffs off 46.6 percent shooting and shot 39.3 percent from three with a 56.3% TS and 54.9% eFG. He also shot 63.9 percent at the rim.

Is Brown going to be a superstar? No. An All-Star? Who knows. I personally think he will end up making a few All-Star games. Regardless, we are being WAY too hard on this 21-year-old kid three games into a season where the entire team is still learning how to play together.

Can we at least wait until December before we crucify him?

The notion of Brown cant comes from layups, which he is terrible at. It year 3, we need to stop calling Brown raw, that is no longer the case.

Dude, he's 21 years old. Hardly any players are the finished product at that age.

[K For Three]

Kid has a mean streak on the court at times, that can't be denied. Hope he gets more chances as the season goes on to showcase himself.

Read on Twitter

He'll be fine.

[brackdan70]

Kid has a mean streak on the court at times, that can't be denied. Hope he gets more chances as the season goes on to showcase himself.

Read on Twitter

He'll be fine.

Yes agreed. I loved that play.

[return2glory]

I think a lot of people are fooled by his athleticism. It doesn’t translate in the game for some athletes. Gerald Green is one. He isn’t a high flyer that hardly dunks in a game and doesn’t sky to get rebounds. I see the same thing with Jaylen.

That dunk against Embiid in the first game of the season wasn’t even a dunk. The call slipped out of his hand as usual and it went off the glass and dropped in.

Against the Knicks he has a iso in the paint against a smaller guy and takes a turn around shot from about 14 feet and air balls it.

Yes Brown has improved his 3 point shooting from his rookie year to last year. But I’ve never thought he was as good as people make him out to be.

The guy goes missing in long stretches of a game. That was also the case at Cal. He is an average rebounder, average to below average passer, average ball handler, has average or below average court vision and not a above average defender. He also hasn’t developed a go to move.

Yes he can get better but when I see Brown and don’t see anything special. I see a solid young player who is currently about the 5th or 6th best player on the team.

[thelarrybirdx]

I think a lot of people are fooled by his athleticism. It doesn’t translate in the game for some athletes. Gerald Green is one. He isn’t a high flyer that hardly dunks in a game and doesn’t sky to get rebounds. I see the same thing with Jaylen.

That dunk against Embiid in the first game of the season wasn’t even a dunk. The call slipped out of his hand as usual and it went off the glass and dropped in.

Against the Knicks he has a iso in the paint against a smaller guy and takes a turn around shot from about 14 feet and air balls it.

Yes Brown has improved his 3 point shooting from his rookie year to last year. But I’ve never thought he was as good as people make him out to be.

The guy goes missing in long stretches of a game. That was also the case at Cal. He is an average rebounder, average to below average passer, average ball handler, has average or below average court vision and not a above average defender. He also hasn’t developed a go to move.

Yes he can get better but when I see Brown and don’t see anything special. I see a solid young player who is currently about the 5th or 6th best player on the team.

My thoughts exactly. I thought he'd make a big leap this year, but after watching him in the preseason and first few games of the regular season, it's looking like he was the exact same player he was last year, which isn't a knock, but I was hoping for improvements like ballhandling, creating, and even free throw shooting. So far, he hasn't shown any signs of growth.

[Wes-J]

Can't believe all the negative insta reaction commentary on JB. It's like last year never happened.

JB is like an afterthought in the new starting 5 trying to incorporate 2 all-stars. I'm not worried about JB but having said that I'm wondering if he's better off on the 2nd unit for now till he finds some rhythm.

[JHTruth]

I'm not worried about Jaylen. He's too talented to be this bad for too long. He's just in his head a little too much right now, just needs to get back to being more aggressive.

The ones I AM worried about are Kyrie with his conditioning and recovery from that knee and Theis, who's injury seemed to age him 10 years.

[JHTruth]

I think a lot of people are fooled by his athleticism. It doesn’t translate in the game for some athletes. Gerald Green is one. He isn’t a high flyer that hardly dunks in a game and doesn’t sky to get rebounds. I see the same thing with Jaylen.

That dunk against Embiid in the first game of the season wasn’t even a dunk. The call slipped out of his hand as usual and it went off the glass and dropped in.

Against the Knicks he has a iso in the paint against a smaller guy and takes a turn around shot from about 14 feet and air balls it.

Yes Brown has improved his 3 point shooting from his rookie year to last year. But I’ve never thought he was as good as people make him out to be.

The guy goes missing in long stretches of a game. That was also the case at Cal. He is an average rebounder, average to below average passer, average ball handler, has average or below average court vision and not a above average defender. He also hasn’t developed a go to move.

Yes he can get better but when I see Brown and don’t see anything special. I see a solid young player who is currently about the 5th or 6th best player on the team.

Jaylen is currently 21st in the league in defensive win shares. And he guarded Kawhi for a good chunk of the game. He's an EXCELLENT defender..

[Valid]

He can't create his own shot. What else do you expect him to do than be a 3 point specialist? He literally can't drive into the paint without losing the ball or having to pick up his dribble, which often leads to a turnover.

Dude, he has turned the ball over all of five times this year and averaged just 1.8 turnovers per game last year. In addition, he shot 62.2 percent at the rim, a percentage Kyrie himself has only topped ONCE in his career (last season at 64.9 percent), and Kyrie is widely considered one of the best finishers in the league. This notion that Brown can't finish is hyperbolic.

Brown is still raw and needs to learn to play under control and he desperately needs to work on his free throws, but we seem to forget that this kid is 21 years old. Just because he isn't Tatum doesn't mean he stinks or that he's a specialist.

It has been three games, and he is obviously still adjusting to playing with Kyrie again PLUS Hayward. He is a year removed from shooting 46.5 percent from the floor and 39.5 percent from three with a 56.2% TS and 54% eFG. He also averaged 18 PPG in the playoffs off 46.6 percent shooting and shot 39.3 percent from three with a 56.3% TS and 54.9% eFG. He also shot 63.9 percent at the rim.

Is Brown going to be a superstar? No. An All-Star? Who knows. I personally think he will end up making a few All-Star games. Regardless, we are being WAY too hard on this 21-year-old kid three games into a season where the entire team is still learning how to play together.

Can we at least wait until December before we crucify him?

The notion of Brown cant comes from layups, which he is terrible at. It year 3, we need to stop calling Brown raw, that is no longer the case.

Lol. Once again, he shot 62.2 percent at the rim last year. Only .077 percent of his field-goal attempts were dunks, so he is making layups at a nice clip. You're wrong. Move on.

[jmr07019]

For reference, % within 3 feet for the last 5 years:

Beal: 68, 63, 64, 67, 62
Thompson: 68, 66, 69, 68, 64
DeRozan: 68, 69, 63, 64, 71
Harden: 66, 68, 65, 62, 63
Butler: 66, 61, 67, 62, 60

So Brown is a tad below the best SG's in the league but the idea that he is terrible close the basket is overstated by quite a bit. Brown will improve as his career goes on he's still young. Doesn't need much improvement to be on par with the best SG's in the league.

[brackdan70]

3 games.... If he is struggling 20 games in I will be concerned. As of now not worried. His D has been solid too and improved passing.

[Ben-N1ce]

Handle passing and footwork still need to improve. Athleticism is worthless if you can't get were you want on the court . He's in the Smart spot when's it's basically what if he could shoot. He's dedicated to getting better time will tell if the results come.

[Iguodaladon]

Give him some time, the whole team hasn't looked too great outside of Tatum, Horford and Baynes. Everyone is clearly still acclimating and trying to find their role in the team. I think Brad needs to find the right rotation for Brown to fit in mainly. I'd like to see him out there with more of the 2nd unit, something like Rozier, Smart, Brown, Morris and Horford where he could be more of an offensive focal point.

[JR Hawks]

Remember when people used to equate his potential with Tatum's?

Crazy. Obvious from Jayson's first games that he was worth 3 Jaylens.

What the **** is with people on this board needing to **** on one Celtic player to talk up another?

Not really how I look at it. Jaylen is fine, and was the good pick at #3 in that weak draft. Just thought its was beyond obvious from the start that Tatum was clearly a far better prospect, and many here disagreed with that for reasons I don't understand.

This board has a long history of overrating our young players (ie binkies). For reference, see any thread where we discussed trading young players for an established vet (Butler, Kawhi, etc.). You will get shouted down if you suggest the young player may not develop into anything as good as the established vet.

We had posters leaving the board and threatening to quit watching the Celtics if we traded Al Jefferson for KG. Trading a mid-lottery pick for Ray Allen was widely viewed as a huge mistake. Abdel Nader (and later Jabari Bird) was viewed as a steal and sure fire rotation player. Despite being one player away from being a legit championship contender, there is zero interest in giving up our better young players for the final piece. Our idea of a fair trade for Kawhi was Smart and Rozier. The list goes on and on. If they are young and on the Celtics, they are going to be GREAT.

[celts33]

At worst JB will be an elite 3 and D guy, IMO that's his floor.

To me it looks like he is overthinking a lot out there in these first three games. Hopefully he'll learn to just let the game flow over time. Let's see where he is halfway into the season.

[Wes-J]

Time to start the Kyrie regression thread.

[cloverleaf]

What the **** is with people on this board needing to **** on one Celtic player to talk up another?

Not really how I look at it. Jaylen is fine, and was the good pick at #3 in that weak draft. Just thought its was beyond obvious from the start that Tatum was clearly a far better prospect, and many here disagreed with that for reasons I don't understand.

This board has a long history of overrating our young players (ie binkies). For reference, see any thread where we discussed trading young players for an established vet (Butler, Kawhi, etc.). You will get shouted down if you suggest the young player may not develop into anything as good as the established vet.

We had posters leaving the board and threatening to quit watching the Celtics if we traded Al Jefferson for KG. Trading a mid-lottery pick for Ray Allen was widely viewed as a huge mistake. Abdel Nader (and later Jabari Bird) was viewed as a steal and sure fire rotation player. Despite being one player away from being a legit championship contender, there is zero interest in giving up our better young players for the final piece. Our idea of a fair trade for Kawhi was Smart and Rozier. The list goes on and on. If they are young and on the Celtics, they are going to be GREAT.

In contrast, how many posters have tried to trade TRo for a 2nd over the past three years?