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Re: 2019-2020 Roster Composition Wishlist (Non-AD/KD/Kyrie Edition) 

Post#21 » by Joshyjess » Sat May 11, 2019 6:47 am

This is hardly a major fix, but personally I would love to see the C's bring back Avery Bradley as a back-up PG. I know he's had some bad years recently, but maybe coming back to Boston would re-kindle the defensive specialist he once was.
Another odd-ball idea might be to go after Thomas Robinson. Again, another player who hasn't shown a whole lot in the past couple of years, but I'll never forget seeing him man-handle Anthony Davis in the college finals. He might provide some defensive oomph while we wait to see what RWIII becomes next year. He seems like the kind of guy that Stevens could work with.
Both of these guys would probably come dirt cheap, and could possibly help our bench. Again, hardly a huge fix, but I want to see the C's get back to being a gritty defensive team, and I think both of these guys could contribute to that.
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Post#22 » by captain green » Sat May 11, 2019 8:21 am

I'll try and take a stab at this.
Sign and trade kyrie for d.russell and picks.
Draft r.j. Barrett with the 3rd pick (thanks basketball gods)
Rework horford contract.
Reup: thies, semi.
Draft center then trade the rest for future picks.
Sign both morris brothers.
Sign Jared dudley
Let rozier walk
Sign larkin who should be healthy now.
Sign Robin lopez.
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Post#23 » by Roddy » Sat May 11, 2019 8:49 am

- Let Kyrie, Rozier, Theis, Semi and Wanamaker walk.
- Re-sign Al for 3 years/$60 millions
- Re-sign Marcus Morris for 3 years/$30 millions

- Draft :
#14 G Nickeil Alexander-Walker
#20 G Tyler Herro
#22 PG Carsen Edwards

- Free agency :
Sign JaMychal Green
Sign Jared Dudley
Sign Ish Smith

Horford / Baynes / Williams
Morris / Green / Yabu
Tatum / Hayward / Dudley
Brown / Alex-Walker / Herro
Smart / Smith / Edwards

I know, nothing sexy. This team is full of blue-collar players. They will probably fight for a 5th or 6th spot and
2nd round exit at best.
2019-2020 is the year where you give the keys of the team to Tatum/Brown/Smart, develop the rookies + Rob Williams.
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Re: 2019-2020 Roster Composition Wishlist (Non-AD/KD/Kyrie Edition) 

Post#24 » by wangyou18 » Sat May 11, 2019 3:25 pm

How about a Kyrie sign & trade to nets for Dinwiddie, Joe Harris, and future 1st?

Or trade 1 of our 1st round picks to Spurs for White or Murray that will become their future Kawhi...

No Morris for me, he will put up 10 shots in 10 mins, stunting our young wings’ already stunted growth
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Post#25 » by cloverleaf » Sat May 11, 2019 3:59 pm

The thread pitching this got blocked, but I wouldn't mind Rubio (or Beverly) as a new PG. Also would like to see a 1 or legit big drafted. A shooting guard if really talented. Otherwise one of their 2-way type guys could move up there.
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Post#26 » by bucknersrevenge » Sat May 11, 2019 5:16 pm

I see a lot of "let Rozier walk" in this thread. Surprised that no one wants to consider a sign & trade to see what we could get back. If we lose Kyrie in FA we're gonna let another asset walk for nothing too?? That sounds like a terrible idea. I say get something for him. Get anything you can get. If Chicago or Phoenix wants him there's gotta be at least one tradeable asset you can get out of them. Start stockpiling assets again. We'll have at least 3 draft picks in this draft. Not really sure I want any of them but at least 1 or 2 should be valuable on a team in NBA purgatory.
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Post#27 » by chrisab123 » Sat May 11, 2019 5:35 pm

Roddy wrote:- Let Kyrie, Rozier, Theis, Semi and Wanamaker walk.
- Re-sign Al for 3 years/$60 millions
- Re-sign Marcus Morris for 3 years/$30 millions

- Draft :
#14 G Nickeil Alexander-Walker
#20 G Tyler Herro
#22 PG Carsen Edwards

- Free agency :
Sign JaMychal Green
Sign Jared Dudley
Sign Ish Smith

Horford / Baynes / Williams
Morris / Green / Yabu
Tatum / Hayward / Dudley
Brown / Alex-Walker / Herro
Smart / Smith / Edwards

I know, nothing sexy. This team is full of blue-collar players. They will probably fight for a 5th or 6th spot and
2nd round exit at best.
2019-2020 is the year where you give the keys of the team to Tatum/Brown/Smart, develop the rookies + Rob Williams.


So no Kyrie AD or KD...heres something semi realistic.
-Memphis pick rolls over. Trade 4 1sts including the Memphis pick for #2 to select Morant.

Starting lineup next year of Morant Brown Tatum Hayward and Horford.

In this scenario Horford opts in and then leaves the following season. Morris Kyrie leave. Rozier is not matched. You cant have a roster full of blue collar players and expect to win. You need to get that superstar. Morant looked like a star in the making.
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Post#28 » by FlatearthZorro » Sat May 11, 2019 5:41 pm

La Flame wrote:Don't think we have any capspace even if Kyrie leaves but I wouldn't mind Cousins on a short deal


Brad struggles big time with headcases and would struggle with Cousins.
Good assessment:

PLO wrote:Tatum played OK - took advantage of a few mismatches - decent on the defensive end. He is what we thought he was going into the season - a technically very proficient player operating close to his career ceiling as a rookie.
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Re: 2019-2020 Roster Composition Wishlist (Non-AD/KD/Kyrie Edition) 

Post#29 » by Andrew McCeltic » Sat May 11, 2019 6:05 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:Ainge might still go after Kyrie, KD, AD, and whoever else in the offseason, but in the event he fails to get us a top shelf talent via trade, what type of players would you like to add to our current core? You can name names as long as they're reasonably available.

Assumed returning core: Horford, Hayward, Tatum, Brown, Smart, Williams, Ojeleye, Baynes

Here's my wishlist:
◾ Mobile big that can gobble up boards, protect the rim, and pass some; Either play alongside Horford or as 1st big off bench. Ideally, Cs can groom Robert III to be that guy.
◾ Defensive specialist that can slow down Giannis without much help. Does such a guy exist? Sadly, the Bucks are the new Cavs/Heat and the Greek Freak just took over Lebron's throne. They'll only get better and will be a stupid speedbump on our road to the Finals.
◾ Long-range sharpshooter that you can't leave open ala Redick, Danny Green, Klay, Ray Allen, etc. Someone who can run around screens and pull up upon catching. I actually wish Brown or Tatum can turn into this.
◾ 6'6" or above backup PG that won't be a defensive liability.
◾ Elite bench scorer. The corpse of Jamal Crawford need not apply. No to IT either.

Let all of them be selfless, team-first, gritty players. No more low BBIQ guys. No more dicks/divas.

P.S.
If your only comment would be "that team won't win anything blah blah blah," 'cos we won't have a top-5 talent anyway, this might not be the thread for you.


You have any names in mind? That's not a realistic shopping list.. there are a few guys in the draft who can probably fill some of those roles, at least long-term... I think Keldon Johnson could become the bench scorer and sharpshooter.. I don't think your expectation for a back-up point guard is reasonable - Ntilikina would be interesting, but there's no easy way for us to get him unless we pick up a trade exception somehow - Coby White and Alexander-Walker - not likely to be there for us in the draft - would fit. Don't know if there are any affordable free agents who can fill that role - you want Michael Carter-Williams?

A few defensive specialists in the draft, but I don't think there's a single Giannis stopper in the league right now. Tatum might be able to slow him in a couple of years..

The best non-Davis "mobile bigs" would be Nerlens Noel or a gamble on Dragan Bender..
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Re: 2019-2020 Roster Composition Wishlist (Non-AD/KD/Kyrie Edition) 

Post#30 » by Andrew McCeltic » Sat May 11, 2019 6:14 pm

wangyou18 wrote:How about a Kyrie sign & trade to nets for Dinwiddie, Joe Harris, and future 1st?

Or trade 1 of our 1st round picks to Spurs for White or Murray that will become their future Kawhi...

No Morris for me, he will put up 10 shots in 10 mins, stunting our young wings’ already stunted growth


I'd want to flip Dinwiddie, but that's not a horrible recovery if Kyrie wants to leave.. Joe Harris would be a good fit for us, although I think he's only got one year left.. Also don't know what you could get flipping Dinwiddie, but Danny is usually really effective in those trades at making marginal gains. Joe Harris, a BKN 1st, and Dinwiddie flipped for TJ Warren, or Evan Fournier.. Wrinkle is that if Kyrie wants Brooklyn they probably sign him outright.
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Post#31 » by Andrew McCeltic » Sat May 11, 2019 6:21 pm

The worst thing about this awkward, disappointing season is that we're suddenly all thinking from a position of nervousness and weakness - I don't think that's what our FO is doing - Ainge is level-headed, and players' emotions have short memories. Kyrie is enigmatic as hell, but if we line up a Davis trade before July 1, and/or Kyrie re-ups, the whole momentum of the off-season shifts again.

Thinking about Noel, he could be attainable for the taxpayer MLE, or less, he can defend, rebound and pass, but still can't shoot much - and if he's humbled and coachable he's got upside - but he's not the ideal role model for Williams..
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Post#32 » by Roddy » Sat May 11, 2019 6:23 pm

chrisab123 wrote:
Roddy wrote:- Let Kyrie, Rozier, Theis, Semi and Wanamaker walk.
- Re-sign Al for 3 years/$60 millions
- Re-sign Marcus Morris for 3 years/$30 millions

- Draft :
#14 G Nickeil Alexander-Walker
#20 G Tyler Herro
#22 PG Carsen Edwards

- Free agency :
Sign JaMychal Green
Sign Jared Dudley
Sign Ish Smith

Horford / Baynes / Williams
Morris / Green / Yabu
Tatum / Hayward / Dudley
Brown / Alex-Walker / Herro
Smart / Smith / Edwards

I know, nothing sexy. This team is full of blue-collar players. They will probably fight for a 5th or 6th spot and
2nd round exit at best.
2019-2020 is the year where you give the keys of the team to Tatum/Brown/Smart, develop the rookies + Rob Williams.


So no Kyrie AD or KD...heres something semi realistic.
-Memphis pick rolls over. Trade 4 1sts including the Memphis pick for #2 to select Morant.

Starting lineup next year of Morant Brown Tatum Hayward and Horford.

In this scenario Horford opts in and then leaves the following season. Morris Kyrie leave. Rozier is not matched. You cant have a roster full of blue collar players and expect to win. You need to get that superstar. Morant looked like a star in the making.


What if Morant ends up as a bust or a poor man Westbrook ?
4 1sts rd picks is too much for a rookie.
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Re: 2019-2020 Roster Composition Wishlist (Non-AD/KD/Kyrie Edition) 

Post#33 » by nickgammon » Sat May 11, 2019 6:46 pm

Roddy wrote:
chrisab123 wrote:
Roddy wrote:- Let Kyrie, Rozier, Theis, Semi and Wanamaker walk.
- Re-sign Al for 3 years/$60 millions
- Re-sign Marcus Morris for 3 years/$30 millions

- Draft :
#14 G Nickeil Alexander-Walker
#20 G Tyler Herro
#22 PG Carsen Edwards

- Free agency :
Sign JaMychal Green
Sign Jared Dudley
Sign Ish Smith

Horford / Baynes / Williams
Morris / Green / Yabu
Tatum / Hayward / Dudley
Brown / Alex-Walker / Herro
Smart / Smith / Edwards

I know, nothing sexy. This team is full of blue-collar players. They will probably fight for a 5th or 6th spot and
2nd round exit at best.
2019-2020 is the year where you give the keys of the team to Tatum/Brown/Smart, develop the rookies + Rob Williams.


So no Kyrie AD or KD...heres something semi realistic.
-Memphis pick rolls over. Trade 4 1sts including the Memphis pick for #2 to select Morant.

Starting lineup next year of Morant Brown Tatum Hayward and Horford.

In this scenario Horford opts in and then leaves the following season. Morris Kyrie leave. Rozier is not matched. You cant have a roster full of blue collar players and expect to win. You need to get that superstar. Morant looked like a star in the making.


What if Morant ends up as a bust or a poor man Westbrook ?
4 1sts rd picks is too much for a rookie.


I was all in on Ja Morant as of yesterday, but today I think Darius Garland might be a better fit next to Brown and Tatum. Brown and Tatum just aren’t great when they don’t have the ball in their hands. Morant could be great, but the shot worries me a little bit.

Garland can shoot and is a decent facilitator.
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Post#34 » by ZeroTolerance » Sat May 11, 2019 6:47 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
La Flame wrote:Don't think we have any capspace even if Kyrie leave's but I wouldn't mind Cousins on a short deal


... I had the same thought. Ive long thought of him as a locker room destroyer, but I think he’d be on his best behavior after injuries derailed his career.

Were kind of the best situation for him to rehabilitate his career.


Smart went Crazy just about now......Boogie Cousins?.... I think you have lost it! :o

Seriously though, He did seem to be a bit calmer with the dubs...but it's around the league that he can be rattled easily still...I dunno....Boogie would have to become a part time monk for me to believe he has changed any...but everyone grows up sooner or later I guess?... he certainly would be someone you could get on the relative cheep...
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Post#35 » by ZeroTolerance » Sat May 11, 2019 7:09 pm

Roddy wrote:- Let Kyrie, Rozier, Theis, Semi and Wanamaker walk.
- Re-sign Al for 3 years
- Re-sign Marcus Morris for 3 years

- Draft : at least one stud point guard


- Free agency :
Sign JaMychal Green

Williams / Baynes / Horford / Yabu
Horford / Morris / Green] / Yabu
Tatum / Hayward / Semi
Brown / Dozier / Hunter
Smart / Rozier/ stud draft pick


2019-2020 is the year where you give the keys of the team to Tatum/Brown/Smart, develop the rookies + Rob Williams.


Agree with the green ...disagree on the red....plugged my choices into your posting Roddy....'I'd trade up to get a top PG....would keep Hunter And Dozier who can both score and would be signed reasonably ...would keep all of Rozier, Mook, Horford Banes and Semi if money permits...like the addition of Green...he's your Greek / Lebron stopper...good choice if we can get him? I start Al at the 4....and Williams at the 5....The kid needs to learn the league so throw the youngster into the fire...All will help him through..

Certainly lots of ifs....I think Terry will be fine once the alpha male leaves town....
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Post#36 » by nickgammon » Sat May 11, 2019 7:10 pm

ZeroTolerance wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
La Flame wrote:Don't think we have any capspace even if Kyrie leave's but I wouldn't mind Cousins on a short deal


... I had the same thought. Ive long thought of him as a locker room destroyer, but I think he’d be on his best behavior after injuries derailed his career.

Were kind of the best situation for him to rehabilitate his career.


Smart went Crazy just about now......Boogie Cousins?.... I think you have lost it! :o

Seriously though, He did seem to be a bit calmer with the dubs...but it's around the league that he can be rattled easily still...I dunno....Boogie would have to become a part time monk for me to believe he has changed any...but everyone grows up sooner or later I guess?... he certainly would be someone you could get on the relative cheep...


I don’t see the problem on giving him a year on a cheap contract. If for no other reason than to move Al to the 4 and give RWIII more time to develop.

I’m not sure he’ll ever be the same player he was before the Achilles injury just given his size, but you never know with the way sports medicine is heading. As long as he’s not getting a long-term deal that eats up a lot of cap and the Celtics aren’t giving up assets for him, it seems like a reasonable idea should Kyrie bolt and an AD deal doesn’t work out.
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Post#37 » by Roddy » Sat May 11, 2019 7:28 pm

ZeroTolerance wrote:
Roddy wrote:- Let Kyrie, Rozier, Theis, Semi and Wanamaker walk.
- Re-sign Al for 3 years
- Re-sign Marcus Morris for 3 years

- Draft : at least one stud point guard


- Free agency :
Sign JaMychal Green

Horford / Baynes / Williams
Morris / Green / Yabu
Tatum / Hayward / Semi
Brown / Dozier / Hunter
Smart / Rozier/ stud draft pick


2019-2020 is the year where you give the keys of the team to Tatum/Brown/Smart, develop the rookies + Rob Williams.


Agree with the green ...disagree on the red....plugged my choices into your posting Roddy....'I'd trade up to get a top PG....would keep Hunter And Dozier who can both score and would be signed reasonably ...would keep all of Rozier, Mook, Horford Banes and Semi if money permits...like the addition of Green...he's your Greek / Lebron stopper...good choice if we can get him?

Certainly lots of ifs....I think Terry will be fine once the alpha male leaves town....



I am not sure that Rozier would agree to be a backup once again. He can start and get paid elsewhere.
Semi did not bring a lot. He has improved for sure, he is better than Yabu (who is not ???), but we need some vets and with Tatum/Hayward/Morris there is no more minutes for him.
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Re: 2019-2020 Roster Composition Wishlist (Non-AD/KD/Kyrie Edition) 

Post#38 » by SmartWentCrazy » Sat May 11, 2019 7:36 pm

ZeroTolerance wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
La Flame wrote:Don't think we have any capspace even if Kyrie leave's but I wouldn't mind Cousins on a short deal


... I had the same thought. Ive long thought of him as a locker room destroyer, but I think he’d be on his best behavior after injuries derailed his career.

Were kind of the best situation for him to rehabilitate his career.


Smart went Crazy just about now......Boogie Cousins?.... I think you have lost it! :o

Seriously though, He did seem to be a bit calmer with the dubs...but it's around the league that he can be rattled easily still...I dunno....Boogie would have to become a part time monk for me to believe he has changed any...but everyone grows up sooner or later I guess?... he certainly would be someone you could get on the relative cheep...


Money does some funny things— Boogie is seeing his long term earning potential shrink rapidly. A good year in the right system can correct for this. Id guess he’s on his best behavior next season, regardless of where he ends up.
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Post#39 » by ZeroTolerance » Sat May 11, 2019 7:40 pm

nickgammon wrote:
ZeroTolerance wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
... I had the same thought. Ive long thought of him as a locker room destroyer, but I think he’d be on his best behavior after injuries derailed his career.

Were kind of the best situation for him to rehabilitate his career.


Smart went Crazy just about now......Boogie Cousins?.... I think you have lost it! :o

Seriously though, He did seem to be a bit calmer with the dubs...but it's around the league that he can be rattled easily still...I dunno....Boogie would have to become a part time monk for me to believe he has changed any...but everyone grows up sooner or later I guess?... he certainly would be someone you could get on the relative cheep...


I don’t see the problem on giving him a year on a cheap contract. If for no other reason than to move Al to the 4 and give RWIII more time to develop.

I’m not sure he’ll ever be the same player he was before the Achilles injury just given his size, but you never know with the way sports medicine is heading. As long as he’s not getting a long-term deal that eats up a lot of cap and the Celtics aren’t giving up assets for him, it seems like a reasonable idea should Kyrie bolt and an AD deal doesn’t work out.


Agree with the notion that Al needs to play the 4.....I'll have to think some more on Boogie though?
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Re: 2019-2020 Roster Composition Wishlist (Non-AD/KD/Kyrie Edition) 

Post#40 » by La Flame » Sat May 11, 2019 7:52 pm

ZeroTolerance wrote:
nickgammon wrote:
ZeroTolerance wrote:
Smart went Crazy just about now......Boogie Cousins?.... I think you have lost it! :o

Seriously though, He did seem to be a bit calmer with the dubs...but it's around the league that he can be rattled easily still...I dunno....Boogie would have to become a part time monk for me to believe he has changed any...but everyone grows up sooner or later I guess?... he certainly would be someone you could get on the relative cheep...


I don’t see the problem on giving him a year on a cheap contract. If for no other reason than to move Al to the 4 and give RWIII more time to develop.

I’m not sure he’ll ever be the same player he was before the Achilles injury just given his size, but you never know with the way sports medicine is heading. As long as he’s not getting a long-term deal that eats up a lot of cap and the Celtics aren’t giving up assets for him, it seems like a reasonable idea should Kyrie bolt and an AD deal doesn’t work out.


Agree with the notion that Al needs to play the 4.....I'll have to think some more on Boogie though?


His issues are overblown and the early Kings seasons are still haunting his reputation. One of the most talented players in the league when healthy

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