AD's Gone Thread #9, And Everything's Still Fine Like Rondo Dropping a Dime.

[KGboss]

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Yeah. Gut our team for a 1yr Rental?
Sure.

If that's true, we did the right thing. LA outbid the gravitational pull of planet earth, that deal is from outer space. They gave up unprecedented value, and I can't think of a case of a franchise gutting their roster and their future draft picks for a single player. And LA did that knowing that Davis wanted to come there in free agency!

Warriors will suck next year, league needs the Lakers to be relevant again, needs to milk LeBron's remaining playing years and, most importantly, needs LeBron in the NBA Finals for ratings.

They couldn't afford to burn 2019-2020 waiting so Davis had to get there ASAP, hence the Lakers' overpay. It's been said that the league gifted the Lakers the #4 pick as a key chip for this very trade. If getting Zion and the #4 - two young stars for a rebuilding Pelicans team and its fans to be excited about - sounds scripted, it's because it basically was. LeBron gets his requisite banana boat star, the Pelicans get a "promising" core of young players, and the league gets to say "See! Small markets get a fair shake."

NBA = WWE.

None of that makes sense.

If the league wanted to gift AD to the Lakers the package wouldve been much smaller.

LA outbid themselves thinking the Celtics were giving out a godfather offer, when in reality, the Celtics only offered brown, smart, and picks.

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[permaximum]

Meh, that Iverson finals team had prime Mutumbo, Theo Ratliff, Aaron McKie, Tyrone Hill and Tony Kukoc, among others. It wasn't just a collection of stiffs, particularly at the defensive end.

1. Kukoc and Ratliff were traded for Mutombo midseason. So that team didn't have Kukoc and Ratliff.
2. Mutombo wasn't in his prime lol. He was 35. He was going to retire soon.
3. Who the hell is Mckie and Tyrone Hill? Lmao.

Iverson haters lack any kind of logic.

[GoCeltics123]

That package is insane.


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it's really not. Jaylen Brown isn't very good. And he's on his last year of his contract. Smart is a nice role player. Tatum's star has fallen. #14 and #20 in this weaker draft class isn't impressive. The MEM pick won't be either as by the time we get it will likely be in the teens if not the twenties. It's obviously too much to pay for a one year rental but not if AD would re-sign. And the Lakers package is much stronger than this by a lot.

BI>>Brown
Ball=Tatum
Smart>Hart
#4>>#14 and #20
all those future Lakers picks>>>>>MEM future pick

I'm sorry what?

BI might be a better player than Brown but he has the biggest question mark with the blood clot, his career could be over by as early as next year.
Tatum is far and away the better player over Lonzo
Smart is elite compared to Hart
#4 > 14 & 20, yeah agree with that.
MEM pick has the highest upside out of any of those Laker picks unless Lebron does a knee and so does Davis.

NOP would've handed us Davis in 5 seconds if we put Tatum in the offer and that's the fact.

Well the issue is like you put in this post, we'd have to hand them Brown, MEM pick and Smart too. So if he left in a year, we'd be left with nothing.

We could've beaten that offer, but we would've had to give them all our assets IMO. I can't blame Danny for not doing this one.

[Synciere]

Let's leave Ainge alone. The NBA is a tough league where there are only a handful of guys that can get you to the promised land. He took a pile of crap and built assets, made deals, won a title, game within a quarter of a 2nd title, hired an awesome coach, fleeced the Nets and has this team competitive and on the rise.

Is he perfect? Not even close. Went for Kyrie, probably should have flipped Kyrie and Brown for Kawhi.
Came close on KD, but missed out. Cant blame him, he tried and came close.

Now the pressure is on. This summer we need to see what his blueprint is. If it's simply come back with a team that's less talented then last season then I will start questioning Ainge. But give him a chance. Still has the draft and free agency to get stuff done.

The AD deal was well played. Ainge was in a position to get him until Klutch forced AD to LA. I'd say if Agents & Players run the league Danny better get in tight with these guys. Seems like Klutch and Roc are taking over slowly but surely.

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I think unless there’s some smoking gun somewhere saying otherwise, Klutch didn’t force AD anywhere. He didn’t want to be in Boston, wanted to be in LA and told his agent to make it all happen.

Dude. Rich Paul, LeBron, AD. It was all set in stone. It was discussed. Rich Paul and Bron said come to Klutch and we will get you out of NOLA and to LA. You can live the high life, be on magazines, the Brow will be a huge hit. LA is yours post Bron. Rich Paul sabotaged the league last year at the deadline. Demps gets fired. Magic leaves. Walton gone. Etc etc. Rich Paul had them all prisoners. Lakers magically get the #4 and the rest is history. Griffin didnt want to deal him to LA. That's why Pelica paid such a steady price. So now you have the big story line. It'll fail. Cant sell your soul to the devil and win for long.

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Why do people assume that players can't come to conclusions by themselves? Like AD can't decide for himself what he'd like to do and where he'd like to be? An agent's job is to make his client's wishes come true. I think they all just liked LA, god forbid!

Demps misplayed his hand listening to other GMS and coaches from small market teams talking about fight the Lakers on the deal. There was nothing wrong with waiting, but treating Magic and the Lakers like that was a serious msistep. Walton wasn't that special of a coach and it's no surprise he got fired. Hopefully he does well in Sacramento but there's nothing that happened in LA to say he was a great or even good coach. That's on him. Magic leaving was on him; he could've easily stayed. None of that is on Paul or James or even AD.

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It would’ve been better for Anthony Davis to just sign with the Lakers next year and go to a team that wasn’t completely gutted. Davis probably has eight prime years left, so the long-term state of the franchise is more important than next season. But LeBron needed to win immediately, so the Lakers were forced to pay a king’s ransom for someone they would’ve gotten for free a year from now.

Klutch did what was best for LeBron at the expense of Anthony Davis. Four years from now LeBron will be long gone and Davis will be stuck on a team that has no assets. Rich Paul prioritized LeBron’s needs over AD’s needs.

[soxfan2003]

It would’ve been better for Anthony Davis to just sign with the Lakers next year and go to a team that wasn’t completely gutted. Davis probably has eight prime years left, so the long-term state of the franchise is more important than next season. But LeBron needed to win immediately, so the Lakers were forced to pay a king’s ransom for someone they would’ve gotten for free a year from now.

Klutch did what was best for LeBron at the expense of Anthony Davis. Four years from now LeBron will be long gone and Davis will be stuck on a team that has no assets. Rich Paul prioritized LeBron’s needs over AD’s needs.

seems like that but maybe Davis really did feel bad for New Orleans and was trying to do them a favor and create some value for them before he left.

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Yeah. Gut our team for a 1yr Rental?
Sure.

That package is insane.


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it's really not. Jaylen Brown isn't very good. And he's on his last year of his contract. Smart is a nice role player. Tatum's star has fallen. #14 and #20 in this weaker draft class isn't impressive. The MEM pick won't be either as by the time we get it will likely be in the teens if not the twenties. It's obviously too much to pay for a one year rental but not if AD would re-sign. And the Lakers package is much stronger than this by a lot.

BI>>Brown
Ball=Tatum
Smart>Hart
#4>>#14 and #20
all those future Lakers picks>>>>>MEM future pick

ainge is the master of spin control after a non-trade.

[Andrew McCeltic]

If we’d given up everything Griffin wanted, like the Lakers did, that alone would’ve been tough to spin.. if Kyrie left for Brooklyn a week later?

Rozier
free agent
Hayward
Davis/Ojeleye
Baynes/Williams/Theis

would be the only players guaranteed to return.. maybe Horford, maybe Morris.. even if Kyrie stayed, we wouldn’t be good enough to guarantee a deep playoff run to win over Davis.. and if he had one foot out the door all year..

It sounds like Griffin won the negotiations - he pitted Boston against LA, and the Lakers were apparently so desperate, pressured by Paul, and afraid of Boston’s ability to outbid them that they gave up their wives and children.

That, or, Pelinka is stupid/arrogant and thinks the franchise is in great shape now

[000078ude54]

If that's true, we did the right thing. LA outbid the gravitational pull of planet earth, that deal is from outer space. They gave up unprecedented value, and I can't think of a case of a franchise gutting their roster and their future draft picks for a single player. And LA did that knowing that Davis wanted to come there in free agency!

Warriors will suck next year, league needs the Lakers to be relevant again, needs to milk LeBron's remaining playing years and, most importantly, needs LeBron in the NBA Finals for ratings.

They couldn't afford to burn 2019-2020 waiting so Davis had to get there ASAP, hence the Lakers' overpay. It's been said that the league gifted the Lakers the #4 pick as a key chip for this very trade. If getting Zion and the #4 - two young stars for a rebuilding Pelicans team and its fans to be excited about - sounds scripted, it's because it basically was. LeBron gets his requisite banana boat star, the Pelicans get a "promising" core of young players, and the league gets to say "See! Small markets get a fair shake."

NBA = WWE.

None of that makes sense.

If the league wanted to gift AD to the Lakers the package wouldve been much smaller.

LA outbid themselves thinking the Celtics were giving out a godfather offer, when in reality, the Celtics only offered brown, smart, and picks.

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It makes perfect sense. Keep trying, you'll get it.

Trade package had to be what it was to look like fair compensation for losing at top 10 player, especially to help counteract the notion that AD and Rich Paul are manipulating franchises for their own agenda (which they are). Trading AD for Lonzo and #4 pick would be too obvious.