themoneyteam2 wrote: BostonCouchGM wrote:
Bleeding Green wrote:None of those guys are better than Grant right now. if you like them better for some reason in terms of future output, that's fine, but just seems a bit early to be mad about picks when Grant has probably outperformed all those guys except the one who just plays a million minutes on the **** team in the league (Paschall).
lmao talking about how this rookie class has performed and using Bol Bol as an example. Dude just tripled his career minutes last night.
lol what are you talking about. Grant is putting up 3-3-1 lmao. He's a bum.
But, really, who even cares about how rookies perform? High floor low ceiling guys like Grant Williams (and Paschall) who is 1 or 2 years older will play more so put up numbers. It doesn't mean he's better he just has a better opportunity. The reason I bring up Bol is because he's now playing a pretty big role for a playoff team and the only reason it's taken this long is because they were being cautious due to his injury. By the time he's 21 y/o like Grant is now he should be a starter if not star. He's just way more talented. And maybe the rest of those guys don't pan out and end up just role players like Grant Williams. The point is, they at least have a chance to be something more. Grant does not. He lacks size/length/athleticism/skill to do so. So Danny chose a role player at best, like he did when he chose Olynyk over the raw Giannis and Gobert. Like he did when he chose Smart over LaVine (25-5-4 in case you'll laughably suggest Smart is better) and Young over Jokic. You'd think people would stop defending Danny when he does this but nope, still here, not learning any lessons. He keeps passing on potential special players who possess elite traits for safer prospects because they did well in college.
Of all things to kill Ainge for drafting Young, its definitely not to say he should have picked Jokic lol. Jokic was a 2nd rounder and was never projected top 20. Ever.
You would’ve had a fit if Ainge picked him at 17 in that draft.
James Young was a complete whiff but your revisionist history gimmick is exhausting. Look at the guys in that range who were in contention to be selected. Rodney Hood went a pick after. That’s where your gripe should be with the James Young pick...
Also, the only reason Bol Bol has a pretty big role for the Nuggets right now is because they don’t have 3 rotation players currently suiting up lol. He didn’t even get in the game 2 games ago because Millsap was healthy.
He played 25 mins vs POR when Millsap sat, DNP-CD vs SAS, 4 mins vs OKC, and 12 mins vs MIA. Sorry but that’s in no way “playing a pretty big role”.
this is because the people getting paid to evaluate prospects, and the fans who defend them, got it wrong. And they get it wrong every single draft. They're so bad they have everyone convinced the draft is a crap shoot when it shouldn't be. And when people bring up that their G.M. should have taken Bol, or back then, Jokic or Giannis, they're met with "the scouts had them going where they went for a reason" instead of "yeah, you're right. Why ARE we taking a slight shooting guard (Young) with an attitude problem, bad work ethic, and limited athleticism, when there's a 7 footer, albeit with a weight problem, who has incredible touch, passing and BBIQ?"
Here's nbadraft.net Jokic "weaknesses"
An average athlete lacking great speed and leaping ability … Foot speed is a big liability. He may struggle to stay in front of NBA athletes at the center position … Needs to improve as a post player, gain strength and develop a repertoire of back to the basket moves … Defense is a real weakness at this point due to lack of lateral speed and lack of strength. His length is a big plus, but he’ll need to continue to work on becoming stronger and learn to anticipate in order to overcome his lack of quickness … Despite being a younger guy, his upside appears limited by his lack of explosiveness and foot speed …
lol, in 2015 they're worried about Jokic's need to "improve as a post player" lmao and "develop back to the basket moves". His defense was a concern he had size and good length along with high BBIQ. And they were dead wrong about his foot speed. He was always crafty and his footwork was outstanding for someone his size. So every team got it wrong on someone they should never have let get out of the lottery. Same with Bol. Same with Mitchell Robinson. They're just really bad at their jobs.
It's pretty hilarious people downplaying Bol's present impact and hype because their G.M. passed on him three times. Seriously man. This has to stop. People are raving about him because he can score on all three levels, is a very good defender out to the perimeter and doesn't seem overwhelmed at all. You say he's only playing because people are injured but it's his own injury that prevented them from playing him much up till now. Do you honestly think he won't be getting 20 mpg next season?
And yeah, a guy presently arguing why we should have taken the high upside Bol over low upside Grant Williams would have been really pissed if we took the high upside Jokic over the low upside Young...oh wait, that makes no logical sense