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Re: Marcus Smart, aka the "Cobra" – Celtics de facto Captain? 

Post#101 » by The Comedian » Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:54 am

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GoGreen wrote:Great win vs Phoenix, but this man chucked 10 ****ing 3s tonight!! Good Lord. I thought he learned how to control himself last season, but he reverted back to his old ways. Watching him on offense take these awful long range shots just kills me.


Considering he's already had games of 5-11, 4-7, 4-8, 4-9, and 5-9 from three this year, maybe the problem is your perception of how he used to shoot from deep?

85% of the threes he takes now are good shots, and he almost always swings the ball when it's not a good shot. Relax.


He's always been streaky and as a result, I just don't trust him to keep it up. His % took a hit tonight, so it's slowly creeping back down to .350. And id say more like 65% are good. He has too many stupid deep ball 3s, and for someone whose fg% is so bad, he really needs to control himself like he did last yr. LOVE how he's driving to the rim more, though.8Def want to see more of that.


But even after going 4-18 from 3 the last two games, he's still shooting better from 3 than last year, over 37%. Then take into account that he takes more end of shot clock or quarter heaves than anyone on the team. He's become a good shooter from deep, the only ones I dislike is when he isn't squared up.

And c'mon now, you can't possibly think 35% of the threes he takes are bad shots. If he's shooting 37% from deep with over a third of his shots being bad ones, then he's an even better shooter than i thought. This is just a classic case of perception versus reality. I'm guilty of it with tons of players as well.
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Re: Marcus Smart, aka the "Cobra" – Celtics de facto Captain? 

Post#102 » by GoGreen » Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:01 am

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Considering he's already had games of 5-11, 4-7, 4-8, 4-9, and 5-9 from three this year, maybe the problem is your perception of how he used to shoot from deep?

85% of the threes he takes now are good shots, and he almost always swings the ball when it's not a good shot. Relax.


He's always been streaky and as a result, I just don't trust him to keep it up. His % took a hit tonight, so it's slowly creeping back down to .350. And id say more like 65% are good. He has too many stupid deep ball 3s, and for someone whose fg% is so bad, he really needs to control himself like he did last yr. LOVE how he's driving to the rim more, though.8Def want to see more of that.


But even after going 4-18 from 3 the last two games, he's still shooting better from 3 than last year, over 37%. Then take into account that he takes more end of shot clock or quarter heaves than anyone on the team. He's become a good shooter from deep, the only ones I dislike is when he isn't squared up.

And c'mon now, you can't possibly think 35% of the threes he takes are bad shots. If he's shooting 37% from deep with over a third of his shots being bad ones, then he's an even better shooter than i thought. This is just a classic case of perception versus reality. I'm guilty of it with tons of players as well.


Hey, just cause they go in doesn't mean they were good shots lol. Like I said, he's historically streaky and I don't think he's going to keep it up. Not to mention, he should NOT be shooting 10 3s a game. No way. This is the same guy with one of the worst shooting seasons in NBA history.
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Post#104 » by JR Hawks » Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:04 am

He's ballhoging again.
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Post#105 » by Fencer reregistered » Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:55 am

That an article praise Marcus Smart is not unusual. But in this one, one of the key points in his favor is how he keeps his emotions under control. :) And I don't disagree.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/marcus-smart-says-hes-on-another-level-than-patrick-beverley-and-league-scouts-execs-agree-with-him/
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Re: Marcus Smart, aka the "Cobra" – Celtics de facto Captain? 

Post#106 » by GuyClinch » Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:38 pm

jmr07019 wrote:I love Smart and he's been mostly awesome this year but masked by his excellent decision making and improved 3pt% is his absolutely dreadful 2pt% ~ 38%. That's dragged his TS% down to .522 .... below league average.
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For reference the Knicks had the worst team TS% in the league last year and were at .529. League average seems to be about .555. https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2019.html
Smart shot between 41% and 43% on 2's his first 4 years before jumping up to 51% last year. If he can get into the high 40's on 2's he should go back to being a league average scorer or hopefully above.


Sure. But this is why he shoots so many 3s. It's a better shot for him then trying to finish over 6'9" guys with hops and long arms. Marcus tragic flaw is that unlike a Kyrie or Kemba he just didn't display enough quickness around the hoop to get lots of layups. He is a strong guy though so he can hit the deep 3 fairly well. By taking those shots its hard for defenders to get out on him.

This is a trend around the league now. Back in the 90s we had 3 ball shooters sure - but they generally shot from right near the line. Now guys like Harden and Curry shoot from WAY beyond the line on a regular basis.

What we should hope for is Marcus hitting 3 balls more frequently and limiting his close stuff to easy layups/floaters. Like Tatum that mid range stuff burns him. There is a downside though - long distance 3 ballers are streaky. Its a harder shot that counts more so you get in long runs where you miss everything.. You just have to keep chucking..
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Post#109 » by 3D Chess » Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:20 pm

In true "Stretch 6" style, Marcus' list of 5 guys is actually 6 guys, lol. Great read.
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Post#110 » by zoyathedestroya » Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:26 pm

It's interesting Smart doesn't list Lebron or Harden, two players the rest of the league would say are the hardest players to defend. Leaving out Harden is understandable since Marcus owns serious real estate in Harden's head but Lebron was quite the snub.
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Post#111 » by London2Boston » Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:44 pm

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Post#112 » by Fencer reregistered » Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:32 am

zoyathedestroya wrote:It's interesting Smart doesn't list Lebron or Harden, two players the rest of the league would say are the hardest players to defend. Leaving out Harden is understandable since Marcus owns serious real estate in Harden's head but Lebron was quite the snub.


In the GB thread on the same article, it's pointed out that Smart actually has had great trouble guarding Lebron in the past, if the stats are to be believed.
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Post#113 » by Fencer reregistered » Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:33 am

GuyClinch wrote: You just have to keep chucking..


I think we can rely on Smart to do that.
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Post#114 » by claycarver » Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:09 am

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zoyathedestroya wrote:It's interesting Smart doesn't list Lebron or Harden, two players the rest of the league would say are the hardest players to defend. Leaving out Harden is understandable since Marcus owns serious real estate in Harden's head but Lebron was quite the snub.


In the GB thread on the same article, it's pointed out that Smart actually has had great trouble guarding Lebron in the past, if the stats are to be believed.


Damn it...you made the GB sound interesting enough to check out.

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Post#115 » by RB34 » Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:15 am

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zoyathedestroya wrote:It's interesting Smart doesn't list Lebron or Harden, two players the rest of the league would say are the hardest players to defend. Leaving out Harden is understandable since Marcus owns serious real estate in Harden's head but Lebron was quite the snub.


In the GB thread on the same article, it's pointed out that Smart actually has had great trouble guarding Lebron in the past, if the stats are to be believed.


Damn it...you made the GB sound interesting enough to check out.

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Don’t check it out, bunch of butthurt LeBron/Laker fans crying because he’s not on the list.
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Post#116 » by Fencer reregistered » Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:40 am

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In the GB thread on the same article, it's pointed out that Smart actually has had great trouble guarding Lebron in the past, if the stats are to be believed.


Damn it...you made the GB sound interesting enough to check out.

****.


Don’t check it out, bunch of butthurt LeBron/Laker fans crying because he’s not on the list.


Yeah, it's all about who he should have listed in people's opinion. Most annoying are the ignorant comments claiming he almost never actually covers Giannis.
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Post#117 » by thomas1897 » Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:12 pm

Yes, Marcus Smart is the backbone of the Boston Celtics; he personifies the epitome of hustle and a strong character for the Celtics. True grit winning is the mission and paramount to the Boston Celtics winning another NBA championship. Brad Stevens needs to help Marcus more with other players who can pickup the slack when he is not on the court. Jaylen Brown has the skill set to do more on defense when Marcus is not playing. Jaylen Brown can reduce some of the burden place on Marcus Smart so he does not burn before the end of the season. Another Celtic can help more is Semi Olyeje he has the physical tools and skill to help on defense and offense.
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Post#118 » by GuyClinch » Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:45 pm

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He's always been streaky and as a result, I just don't trust him to keep it up. His % took a hit tonight, so it's slowly creeping back down to .350. And id say more like 65% are good. He has too many stupid deep ball 3s, and for someone whose fg% is so bad, he really needs to control himself like he did last yr. LOVE how he's driving to the rim more, though.8Def want to see more of that.


But even after going 4-18 from 3 the last two games, he's still shooting better from 3 than last year, over 37%. Then take into account that he takes more end of shot clock or quarter heaves than anyone on the team. He's become a good shooter from deep, the only ones I dislike is when he isn't squared up.

And c'mon now, you can't possibly think 35% of the threes he takes are bad shots. If he's shooting 37% from deep with over a third of his shots being bad ones, then he's an even better shooter than i thought. This is just a classic case of perception versus reality. I'm guilty of it with tons of players as well.


Hey, just cause they go in doesn't mean they were good shots lol. Like I said, he's historically streaky and I don't think he's going to keep it up. Not to mention, he should NOT be shooting 10 3s a game. No way. This is the same guy with one of the worst shooting seasons in NBA history.


3 point shooters are always going to be streaky because its a high difficulty shot - especially the 'deep' 3 aka - 4 feet behind the line. But is not Kyrie Irving or Joel Embiid. 3 point shooting is something he can do to contribute to the offense.. If he could slash or score inside at a great clip instead he would. But he cannot..

For him 3 point shot is his best option..
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Post#119 » by Mamba4Goat » Mon Dec 9, 2019 11:08 pm

I didn't wanna make a new thread but I have a curious question. How fo you guys think Marcus would look as a team's primary ball handler in a sorta Rubio type role?
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Post#120 » by LarryBirdsFingr » Mon Dec 9, 2019 11:30 pm

Mamba4Goat wrote:I didn't wanna make a new thread but I have a curious question. How fo you guys think Marcus would look as a team's primary ball handler in a sorta Rubio type role?

He's fine at it, but plays better with another ball handler in the lineup
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