Re: Kemba Walker Thread = (Knee Issues, should Celtics be Concerned?)
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 3:25 am
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ConstableGeneva wrote:
threrf23 wrote:ConstableGeneva wrote:
Hopefully this ends better than...
Luckily, it should.
ConstableGeneva wrote:They couldn't be any more different in terms of leadership style. Even in crunch time, Kemba doesn't demand the ball. Several times this season, he allowed Tatum to take over down the stretch and just play decoy or setup man.
Two main things I worry about Kemba -- playoff defense (when opposing teams hunt mismatches even more) and his knee (wasn't all that worried when we signed him).
Triple7 wrote:MambaForever wrote:A silver lining to this could be; using Kemba as the 6th man and inserting Smart into the starting lineup. I think it would greatly balance out the line ups.
Nah! That wouldn’t work. Kemba would just be overworked carrying the load for the 2nd unit. That’s not the best option for a guy with lingering knee issues.
MambaForever wrote:A silver lining to this could be; using Kemba as the 6th man and inserting Smart into the starting lineup. I think it would greatly balance out the line ups.
SmartWentCrazy wrote:MambaForever wrote:A silver lining to this could be; using Kemba as the 6th man and inserting Smart into the starting lineup. I think it would greatly balance out the line ups.
My hottest take is that the Celtics are the 2014 Golden State Warriors and that, after Kemba has offseason knee surgery and misses the start of next year [I think this happens for sure], we insert Smart into the starting lineup and he has a ‘Draymond for David Lee’ type impact on the team and we become a juggernaut and Smart never gives up that spot.
themoneyteam2 wrote:SmartWentCrazy wrote:MambaForever wrote:A silver lining to this could be; using Kemba as the 6th man and inserting Smart into the starting lineup. I think it would greatly balance out the line ups.
My hottest take is that the Celtics are the 2014 Golden State Warriors and that, after Kemba has offseason knee surgery and misses the start of next year [I think this happens for sure], we insert Smart into the starting lineup and he has a ‘Draymond for David Lee’ type impact on the team and we become a juggernaut and Smart never gives up that spot.
Ehh doubt it. Smart already plays 30 MPG so we already know what he does. Moving Kemba to the bench does nothing since Smart already plays starter minutes.
Warriors were unique since Draymond barely played and then suddenly went to a 30 MPG guy, while changing the style of their team going small.
SmartWentCrazy wrote:themoneyteam2 wrote:SmartWentCrazy wrote:
My hottest take is that the Celtics are the 2014 Golden State Warriors and that, after Kemba has offseason knee surgery and misses the start of next year [I think this happens for sure], we insert Smart into the starting lineup and he has a ‘Draymond for David Lee’ type impact on the team and we become a juggernaut and Smart never gives up that spot.
Ehh doubt it. Smart already plays 30 MPG so we already know what he does. Moving Kemba to the bench does nothing since Smart already plays starter minutes.
Warriors were unique since Draymond barely played and then suddenly went to a 30 MPG guy, while changing the style of their team going small.
Having a PG that can switch 1-4 is incredibly rare [maybe 2 other players in the NBA] and having a team that can switch up or down 1-5 is basically unheard of. Our defense alone would carry us to 60 wins, IMO.
themoneyteam2 wrote:SmartWentCrazy wrote:themoneyteam2 wrote:
Ehh doubt it. Smart already plays 30 MPG so we already know what he does. Moving Kemba to the bench does nothing since Smart already plays starter minutes.
Warriors were unique since Draymond barely played and then suddenly went to a 30 MPG guy, while changing the style of their team going small.
Having a PG that can switch 1-4 is incredibly rare [maybe 2 other players in the NBA] and having a team that can switch up or down 1-5 is basically unheard of. Our defense alone would carry us to 60 wins, IMO.
Yeah I see what you’re saying but Smart already gets starter minutes and they’re only a 55 win team. I think subtracting Kemba puts them at below 50 wins since now you need even more bench production if Smart is in the starting lineup.
Unless you’re saying to bench Kemba or are you suggesting to trade him?
SmartWentCrazy wrote:themoneyteam2 wrote:SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Having a PG that can switch 1-4 is incredibly rare [maybe 2 other players in the NBA] and having a team that can switch up or down 1-5 is basically unheard of. Our defense alone would carry us to 60 wins, IMO.
Yeah I see what you’re saying but Smart already gets starter minutes and they’re only a 55 win team. I think subtracting Kemba puts them at below 50 wins since now you need even more bench production if Smart is in the starting lineup.
Unless you’re saying to bench Kemba or are you suggesting to trade him?
Bench. Let him get ~30MPG, just reshuffle them.
themoneyteam2 wrote:SmartWentCrazy wrote:themoneyteam2 wrote:
Ehh doubt it. Smart already plays 30 MPG so we already know what he does. Moving Kemba to the bench does nothing since Smart already plays starter minutes.
Warriors were unique since Draymond barely played and then suddenly went to a 30 MPG guy, while changing the style of their team going small.
Having a PG that can switch 1-4 is incredibly rare [maybe 2 other players in the NBA] and having a team that can switch up or down 1-5 is basically unheard of. Our defense alone would carry us to 60 wins, IMO.
Yeah I see what you’re saying but Smart already gets starter minutes and they’re only a 55 win team. I think subtracting Kemba puts them at below 50 wins since now you need even more bench production if Smart is in the starting lineup.
Unless you’re saying to bench Kemba or are you suggesting to trade him?
Fencer reregistered wrote:themoneyteam2 wrote:SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Having a PG that can switch 1-4 is incredibly rare [maybe 2 other players in the NBA] and having a team that can switch up or down 1-5 is basically unheard of. Our defense alone would carry us to 60 wins, IMO.
Yeah I see what you’re saying but Smart already gets starter minutes and they’re only a 55 win team. I think subtracting Kemba puts them at below 50 wins since now you need even more bench production if Smart is in the starting lineup.
Unless you’re saying to bench Kemba or are you suggesting to trade him?
The comparison fails, I think, because Kemba is in the Curry role. Walker/Brown/Hayward/Tatum/Theis combines three outstanding defenders with two energetic and adequate ones. A further defensive upgrade from there may not be all that productive.
(Switch out Walker and Theis for Smart and Kanter, and you still have three outstanding defenders and two energetic and adequate ones. But that simplistic view can't easily be carried across the rest of a rotation.)
Celtics1918 wrote:My only concern about Kemba Walker is if he can drive to the basket like the beginning of the season ? I hope he doesn't just rely on his jump shot. After he got hurt he was one dimensional which made it easier to guard him plus his defense took a hit. That's what I'm a afraid of.
celticfan42487 wrote:Celtics1918 wrote:My only concern about Kemba Walker is if he can drive to the basket like the beginning of the season ? I hope he doesn't just rely on his jump shot. After he got hurt he was one dimensional which made it easier to guard him plus his defense took a hit. That's what I'm a afraid of.
This is the main concern.
Tatum can become whomever, but both Smart and Brown don't make offense on their own. Theis doesn't.
Kemba still leads the team on pick and role PPP for a reason.
This team needs a player with all-star level PG skills.
I don't care if it's a healthy Kemba, a fountain of youth Gordon Hayward, or trading them both for a **** all-star that won't lose his talent to injuries (IT, Hayward, hell maybe Kemba next year). We need at least one more all-star level healthy player with all-star level PG skills and playmaking. We have been the hardest hit franchise when it comes to injuries outside of a Warrior or Cavs team in the Finals.
SmartWentCrazy wrote:MambaForever wrote:A silver lining to this could be; using Kemba as the 6th man and inserting Smart into the starting lineup. I think it would greatly balance out the line ups.
My hottest take is that the Celtics are the 2014 Golden State Warriors and that, after Kemba has offseason knee surgery and misses the start of next year [I think this happens for sure], we insert Smart into the starting lineup and he has a ‘Draymond for David Lee’ type impact on the team and we become a juggernaut and Smart never gives up that spot.
SmartWentCrazy wrote:Fencer reregistered wrote:themoneyteam2 wrote:
Yeah I see what you’re saying but Smart already gets starter minutes and they’re only a 55 win team. I think subtracting Kemba puts them at below 50 wins since now you need even more bench production if Smart is in the starting lineup.
Unless you’re saying to bench Kemba or are you suggesting to trade him?
The comparison fails, I think, because Kemba is in the Curry role. Walker/Brown/Hayward/Tatum/Theis combines three outstanding defenders with two energetic and adequate ones. A further defensive upgrade from there may not be all that productive.
(Switch out Walker and Theis for Smart and Kanter, and you still have three outstanding defenders and two energetic and adequate ones. But that simplistic view can't easily be carried across the rest of a rotation.)
Tatum is in the Curry role, FWIW.