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Post#581 » by Bleeding Green » Mon Sep 28, 2020 6:08 am

Oh ok, that's fair. I think I easily still take Kemba and the Mil pick, but that's just me. Kemba is still very tradeable and better than any other asset in that jumbo platter.. The GSW pick could be great, or Curry, Klay, Draymond could be winning championships every year for the next five years and it's the 30th pick. I imagine the 2024 pick that convey will be like the Milwaukee pick. The 2019 Celtics are definitely worse if they don't sign Kemba Walker I think.
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Post#582 » by BRUNiNHO91 » Mon Sep 28, 2020 6:20 am

Really the only player I'm slightly disappointed in. Dude should have given us more offensively. Missed a lot of real clean looks all playoffs long. Don't think he ever cracked 30 which is pretty ****.
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Post#583 » by djFan71 » Mon Sep 28, 2020 6:42 am

Bleeding Green wrote:Oh ok, that's fair. I think I easily still take Kemba and the Mil pick, but that's just me. Kemba is still very tradeable and better than any other asset in that jumbo platter.. The GSW pick could be great, or Curry, Klay, Draymond could be winning championships every year for the next five years and it's the 30th pick. I imagine the 2024 pick that convey will be like the Milwaukee pick. The 2019 Celtics are definitely worse if they don't sign Kemba Walker I think.

Yeah, I'm honestly a little torn on the 2019 part even. Say we made no other moves, but had Baynes & Iggy instead of Kemba this series and added a caretaker PG like Corey Joseph in the rotation with Smart & Wanamaker. We're less dynamic for sure, but our defense is a heck of a lot better. And we roll out:

Smart, Brown, Tatum, Hayward, Baynes
Joseph, Iggy, Theis

That's 8 guys you can reliably play instead of the 6 we had. Iggy obviously not an every game contributor, but his experience would have been super helpful. And, we saw tonight he can have a throwback game when it counts.

(Also, I'm not saying Corey Joseph is really good or anything. But he was available for the money we had and a usable vet and just an example)

I will concede, with Hayward hurt, that offense would have been shamblestown at times.

GSW pick, sure it could be 30. But, Steph's 32, Klay & Dray are 30. 2 coming off injury. The only young guy they have under contract that long is your favorite player in the world. And if they're still in contention at that age, they're not running the regular season as the #1 seed. They're slogging thru it in conservation / "just get to the playoffs and turn it on" mode. So, it may not be GOLD.... but it's still a first rounder with the chance it could be really good. It's Nets pickesque in it's high end potential.

EDIT: They do have 2 really good picks, though, which could change the above.

As for Kemba as an asset - he's probably slightly positive trade value at this point due to his contract. We can't really trade him for another year or so anyways unless he asks out, which he won't. Without him, we're players in the FA market next offseason after Hayward expires.

But, he obviously helped us a bunch in the regular season, and hopefully gets his knee healed up and has learned a little from this season and is better next playoffs. If he can score like we've seen him score, you can keep him on the floor even with the defensive targeting. It was really the combo of getting targeted, while not being a huge factor on offense that was the killer.
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Post#584 » by ParticleMan » Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:35 am

I'm disappointed in Kemba too but I think we're stuck with him for the short term. An old undersized score-first PG isn't a hugely in demand quantity unless they are a transcendent scorer like mitchell or murray.

Kemba was terrific for team development tho. i don't think we see Tatum's emergence this year if not for Kemba's leadership. So in terms of team building it was a success. But Kemba is what he is. Maybe he will learn from this playoff experience and come back understanding what he needs to do. He is a vet but a playoff novice, and it really is a different game.
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Post#585 » by FlatearthZorro » Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:44 am

ParticleMan wrote:I'm disappointed in Kemba too but I think we're stuck with him for the short term. An old undersized score-first PG isn't a hugely in demand quantity unless they are a transcendent scorer like mitchell or murray.

Kemba was terrific for team development tho. i don't think we see Tatum's emergence this year if not for Kemba's leadership. So in terms of team building it was a success. But Kemba is what he is. Maybe he will learn from this playoff experience and come back understanding what he needs to do. He is a vet but a playoff novice, and it really is a different game.


Kemba is largely disappointing on offense, which kinda shocked me. He competed on defense and was a good locker room presence. Still not really sure about him getting the money he's getting. Maybe he was hurt and he will do better next year.
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Post#586 » by 100proof » Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:09 pm

ParticleMan wrote:I'm disappointed in Kemba too but I think we're stuck with him for the short term. An old undersized score-first PG isn't a hugely in demand quantity unless they are a transcendent scorer like mitchell or murray.

Kemba was terrific for team development tho. i don't think we see Tatum's emergence this year if not for Kemba's leadership. So in terms of team building it was a success. But Kemba is what he is. Maybe he will learn from this playoff experience and come back understanding what he needs to do. He is a vet but a playoff novice, and it really is a different game.



I think Kemba absolutely fetches a decent price on the market.

Philly, Milwaukee, Clippers, Bulls, Knicks, Pistons, Dallas, Spurs and maybe Pelicans and Suns could all have interest.
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Post#587 » by will » Mon Sep 28, 2020 1:32 pm

Kemba 6th man.
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Post#588 » by FeedReed » Mon Sep 28, 2020 1:45 pm

kemba came to play. he was one of the few guys to really bring it. unfortunately a couple of his shots that needed to drop in the 4th didn’t. he hasn’t lost any quickness. if kemba and brown were able to do more without tatum and smart taking yell at the tv BS shots, c’s win.
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Post#589 » by CelticsPride18 » Mon Sep 28, 2020 2:46 pm

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He was fine. Could have been better if he shot better from 3.
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Post#590 » by AgentGreen » Mon Sep 28, 2020 5:19 pm

I like Kemba. But the Pacers got the better deal with Brogdon.

I'd trade him for a good package if we get the oppertunity.
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Post#591 » by Johnny Tomala » Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:56 pm

I never rated him highly so I'm not surprised by his playoff performances. He was terrible for Team USA in 2019 FIBA World Cup and after I saw him chucking there in crunch time I knew what I was going to see in Celtics shirt. Bad contract, it will be tough to trade him.
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Post#592 » by Disinformation » Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:09 pm

Can I just ask that our next PG, whenever/whoever, has some size? IT, Kyrie, Kemba. Small PGs have gotten old.
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Post#593 » by captain green » Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:41 pm

A panic trade great attitude but not at all what I wanted to see out of our most expensive piece. And can we please stop getting small pg's with knee issues.
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Post#594 » by Roddy » Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:47 pm

Disinformation wrote:Can I just ask that our next PG, whenever/whoever, has some size? IT, Kyrie, Kemba. Small PGs have gotten old.


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Post#595 » by jfs1000d » Tue Sep 29, 2020 1:16 am

ParticleMan wrote:I'm disappointed in Kemba too but I think we're stuck with him for the short term. An old undersized score-first PG isn't a hugely in demand quantity unless they are a transcendent scorer like mitchell or murray.

Kemba was terrific for team development tho. i don't think we see Tatum's emergence this year if not for Kemba's leadership. So in terms of team building it was a success. But Kemba is what he is. Maybe he will learn from this playoff experience and come back understanding what he needs to do. He is a vet but a playoff novice, and it really is a different game.


He was hurt. Check on Kemba early in year to Kemba post knee. That is concerning. Get that fixed and get that explosiveness back


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Post#596 » by Duke4life831 » Tue Sep 29, 2020 1:27 am

Disinformation wrote:Can I just ask that our next PG, whenever/whoever, has some size? IT, Kyrie, Kemba. Small PGs have gotten old.

A pass first PG is more important in my opinion. A score first PG is no longer really needed with the improvements of Tatum and Brown. I think Kemba's skill set has kind of become redundant.
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Post#597 » by Fencer reregistered » Tue Sep 29, 2020 1:37 am

will wrote:Kemba 6th man.


I had a similar thought. If that idea can be sold anywhere, it can be sold here. At least 4 HoFers have served as Celtics 6th men.

(Ramsey, Havlicek, McHale, Walton)
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Post#598 » by will » Tue Sep 29, 2020 1:40 am

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will wrote:Kemba 6th man.


I had a similar thought. If that idea can be sold anywhere, it can be sold here. At least 4 HoFers have served as Celtics 6th men.

(Ramsey, Havlicek, McHale, Walton)


General observation here...but it puzzles me to this day why guys want to be in the starting 5 so badly. If anything...guys would want to be there when the game is on the line...at the end. Right?

But then again, not too many guys are built for wanting to take game winning shots.
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Post#599 » by Fencer reregistered » Tue Sep 29, 2020 1:42 am

will wrote:
Fencer reregistered wrote:
will wrote:Kemba 6th man.


I had a similar thought. If that idea can be sold anywhere, it can be sold here. At least 4 HoFers have served as Celtics 6th men.

(Ramsey, Havlicek, McHale, Walton)


General observation here...but it puzzles me to this day why guys want to be in the starting 5 so badly. If anything...guys would want to be there when the game is on the line...at the end. Right?

But then again, not too many guys are built for wanting to take game winning shots.


Starters get a lot of applause at the beginning of the game, along with recognition on TV.
Starters play with and against the best other players.
Starters who also close have the most favorable rest patterns.
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Post#600 » by will » Tue Sep 29, 2020 1:44 am

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will wrote:
Fencer reregistered wrote:
I had a similar thought. If that idea can be sold anywhere, it can be sold here. At least 4 HoFers have served as Celtics 6th men.

(Ramsey, Havlicek, McHale, Walton)


General observation here...but it puzzles me to this day why guys want to be in the starting 5 so badly. If anything...guys would want to be there when the game is on the line...at the end. Right?

But then again, not too many guys are built for wanting to take game winning shots.


Starters get a lot of applause at the beginning of the game, along with recognition on TV.
Starters play with and against the best other players.
Starters who also close have the most favorable rest patterns.


Fair play.
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