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Rozier Sign and trade opens up more free agency options 

Post#1 » by Spin Move » Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:55 pm

Since we go over the cap to sign Terry we get the full 9 million MLE, hopefully we did not give Charolette too much for the privilege.

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2019/06/boston-celtics-strike-sign-and-trade-deal-to-send-terry-rozier-to-charlotte-hornets-report.html
"By executing a sign-and-trade, Boston will be able to hold on to other key elements of their roster and roster-building tools, up to possibly keeping Al Horford and a full, $9 million mid-level exception."

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Post#2 » by threrf23 » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:05 pm

I guess I just don't understand the new CBA.

If Terry's starting salary is 18.4 mil and we are technically over the cap, then to sign and trade him for Kemba, Kemba's starting salary couldn't be more than $23.1 mil (125% + 100k).

No? What am I missing?
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Post#3 » by djFan71 » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:14 pm

threrf23 wrote:I guess I just don't understand the new CBA.

If Terry's starting salary is 18.4 mil and we are technically over the cap, then to sign and trade him for Kemba, Kemba's starting salary couldn't be more than $23.1 mil (125% + 100k).

No? What am I missing?

Even less. He only counts as half his salary outgoing - $9M.
So, it has to be combined with either a Kyrie or Al sign and trade.
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Post#4 » by sam_I_am » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:16 pm

threrf23 wrote:I guess I just don't understand the new CBA.

If Terry's starting salary is 18.4 mil and we are technically over the cap, then to sign and trade him for Kemba, Kemba's starting salary couldn't be more than $23.1 mil (125% + 100k).

No? What am I missing?


If we are under cap, isn’t it 150%? If so it would work. Some day I have to suck it up and read cap rules....
sam_I_am »2017:Kyrie isn't much of an upgrade over IT and he is **** crazy. Demands to be traded after 3 finals passing on supermax to go to Knicks. More talent around than IT did 2 yrs ago, no playoffs until Lebron came.Kyrie cant hold leads w/o Lebron.
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Post#5 » by threrf23 » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:18 pm

sam_I_am wrote:
threrf23 wrote:I guess I just don't understand the new CBA.

If Terry's starting salary is 18.4 mil and we are technically over the cap, then to sign and trade him for Kemba, Kemba's starting salary couldn't be more than $23.1 mil (125% + 100k).

No? What am I missing?


If we are under cap, isn’t it 150%? If so it would work. Some day I have to suck it up and read cap rules....


It works if we are umder cap, but then we don't get the full MLE, and we have to renounce free agents - which is the subject of this thread.
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Post#6 » by return2glory » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:25 pm

It would be awesome if we are able to S&T Al to Pelicans and they S&T Randle to us since Al wants to move on. Or Just sign Al if he will return. If that works under the cap rules.
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Post#7 » by ParticleMan » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:29 pm

we must be giving something else to the hornets to do this?

i'm totally confused how this all works.
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Post#8 » by Spin Move » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:48 pm

They would gain a trade exception, so that is some incentive for them to do it.
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Post#9 » by celticfan42487 » Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:54 pm

I would be surprised if we gave up anything more than a second rounder. It doesn't really open that many doors for us.
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Post#10 » by sam_I_am » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:00 pm

Supposedly the deal is dead.
sam_I_am »2017:Kyrie isn't much of an upgrade over IT and he is **** crazy. Demands to be traded after 3 finals passing on supermax to go to Knicks. More talent around than IT did 2 yrs ago, no playoffs until Lebron came.Kyrie cant hold leads w/o Lebron.
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Post#11 » by Spin Move » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:02 pm

sam_I_am wrote:Supposedly the deal is dead.

3 team is dead not 2 team
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Post#12 » by sam_I_am » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:13 pm

Spin Move wrote:
sam_I_am wrote:Supposedly the deal is dead.

3 team is dead not 2 team


What good does that do us? Do we get a second round pick?
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Post#13 » by GregB » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:20 pm

sam_I_am wrote:
Spin Move wrote:
sam_I_am wrote:Supposedly the deal is dead.

3 team is dead not 2 team


What good does that do us? Do we get a second round pick?


We still have to waive rights to Al and Morris. But I think the sign and trade allows us to keep MLE just not Al.
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Post#14 » by captain green » Mon Jul 1, 2019 12:18 am

So this is relatively pointless. As long as now we are not giving new jersey ****. Lots of stuff to come. But see ya rozier.
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Post#15 » by Andrew McCeltic » Mon Jul 1, 2019 7:32 am

So the current word is that it’s a straight Rozier-Kemba sign and trade, with us signing Terry into cap space and absorbing Kemba into cap space - really just a favor to Rozier and the Hornets, although we might get a first or second round pick back.

If we were able to get Brooklyn to bite - sending picks their way - it would open up a Horford to PHI sign and trade being folded into the Butler/Miami deal.

At most, you could have Philly and Miami first send first-round picks to Boston for cash or seconds, then we send those picks to Brooklyn to incentivize them, then we do the Horford/Butler/Richardson+ deal..
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Post#16 » by Andrew McCeltic » Mon Jul 1, 2019 7:33 am

It would be funny to see Brooklyn collect three or four firsts for agreeing to take Kyrie away from Boston by sign and trade..
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Post#17 » by Ernest » Mon Jul 1, 2019 7:46 am

Do we know anything for sure yet about the MLE? I've heard we have it and we don't. Is it all still up in the air?
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Post#18 » by Andrew McCeltic » Mon Jul 1, 2019 8:04 am

Ernest wrote:Do we know anything for sure yet about the MLE? I've heard we have it and we don't. Is it all still up in the air?


We don’t if it’s a Kemba/Rozier sign and trade.. get a third team involved and it’s possible
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Post#19 » by cloverleaf » Mon Jul 1, 2019 8:06 am

Ernest wrote:Do we know anything for sure yet about the MLE? I've heard we have it and we don't. Is it all still up in the air?


FWIW:

"But a league source refuted that the trade will enable the Celtics to use the full $9.3 million mid-level exception on another free agent. The Celtics remain in the market for a replacement big man, but according to the source are still limited to offering a $4.7 “room” exception to prospective candidates."

https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/06/30/trade-of-terry-rozier-leaves-celtics-more-room-for-big-man/
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Post#20 » by Ernest » Mon Jul 1, 2019 9:37 am

So it seems like its agreed who is going where but exactly how all the moves will happen hasn't been sorted out yet. Perhaps Ainge will see who he can get and what exemption is needed to get them and then make moves accordingly.

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