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Updated Poll: Now what 2 centers other than Robert Williams will the Celtics sign?

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What 2 centers other than Robert Williams will the Celtics sign?

Poll ended at Tue Jul 2, 2019 12:35 pm

Enes Kanter
6
8%
DeMarcus Cousins
7
9%
Kevon Looney
10
13%
Willie Cauley-Stein
5
7%
Daniel Theis
19
25%
Vincent Poirier
16
21%
Nerlens Noel
3
4%
Joakim Noah
5
7%
Noah Vonleh
3
4%
Other, please specify
1
1%
 
Total votes: 75

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Re: Updated Poll: Now what 2 centers other than Robert Williams will the Celtics sign? 

Post#21 » by zoyathedestroya » Mon Jul 1, 2019 5:34 pm

djFan71 wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:Re-posting alternate idea to get a big here in case any capologists pass by the thread...



Not sure if allowable in CBA... Can we do something like this?

1) Trade Semi for Meyers Leonard ($11.3M).
2) Sign Terry Rozier ($17.9M starting salary).
3) Trade Rozier (17.9), Yabu (3.1), Baynes (5.5):

BOS gets Kemba (32.7), 32nd pick, 2020 MIL 1st, asset from CHA
CHA gets Rozier
PHO gets Baynes, Yabu, 24th pick

Is this legal? Satisfies salary matching since Rozier isn't BYC.
It doesn't have to be Leonard but a big we can trade for around that salary $.

Pretty slick, but couple questions.
1) Leonard is just to get a big under the cap before the other steps, right? He's not involved in the S&T?
2) Why isn't Terry BYC in this s&t? I'm missing why he wouldn't only could for half his salary.

1) Yes, it's our way to get a decent big. Expiring too. Possible trade ballast midseason. Costing us only Semi. Easier now since Heat need to unload salary.
2) Since Rozier is still signed into cap space. I haven't done the math to the last dollar. But it's probably close.
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Re: Updated Poll: Now what 2 centers other than Robert Williams will the Celtics sign? 

Post#22 » by zoyathedestroya » Mon Jul 1, 2019 5:36 pm

djFan71 wrote:
djFan71 wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:Re-posting alternate idea to get a big here in case any capologists pass by the thread...



Not sure if allowable in CBA... Can we do something like this?

1) Trade Semi for Meyers Leonard ($11.3M).
2) Sign Terry Rozier ($17.9M starting salary).
3) Trade Rozier (17.9), Yabu (3.1), Baynes (5.5):

BOS gets Kemba (32.7), 32nd pick, 2020 MIL 1st, asset from CHA
CHA gets Rozier
PHO gets Baynes, Yabu, 24th pick

Is this legal? Satisfies salary matching since Rozier isn't BYC.
It doesn't have to be Leonard but a big we can trade for around that salary $.

Pretty slick, but couple questions.
1) Leonard is just to get a big under the cap before the other steps, right? He's not involved in the S&T?
2) Why isn't Terry BYC in this s&t? I'm missing why he wouldn't only could for half his salary.

And, the Blazers lost their mind and traded Leonard and Harkless for Whiteside....

Yep. Saw that. It helps that the Heat need to unload salary. We could take Leonard from them.
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Re: Updated Poll: Now what 2 centers other than Robert Williams will the Celtics sign? 

Post#23 » by djFan71 » Mon Jul 1, 2019 6:01 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:
djFan71 wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:Re-posting alternate idea to get a big here in case any capologists pass by the thread...



Not sure if allowable in CBA... Can we do something like this?

1) Trade Semi for Meyers Leonard ($11.3M).
2) Sign Terry Rozier ($17.9M starting salary).
3) Trade Rozier (17.9), Yabu (3.1), Baynes (5.5):

BOS gets Kemba (32.7), 32nd pick, 2020 MIL 1st, asset from CHA
CHA gets Rozier
PHO gets Baynes, Yabu, 24th pick

Is this legal? Satisfies salary matching since Rozier isn't BYC.
It doesn't have to be Leonard but a big we can trade for around that salary $.

Pretty slick, but couple questions.
1) Leonard is just to get a big under the cap before the other steps, right? He's not involved in the S&T?
2) Why isn't Terry BYC in this s&t? I'm missing why he wouldn't only could for half his salary.

1) Yes, it's our way to get a decent big. Expiring too. Possible trade ballast midseason. Costing us only Semi. Easier now since Heat need to unload salary.
2) Since Rozier is still signed into cap space. I haven't done the math to the last dollar. But it's probably close.

Hmmmm..... ZarrenTheDestroyan, you may be on to something here.
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q93
The 2011 CBA mostly eliminated BYC -- in fact, the term "Base Year Compensation" was removed from the agreement entirely. The rules formerly known as BYC now apply under just one circumstance -- during sign-and-trade transactions (see question number 92). If a team re-signs its Larry Bird or Early Bird free agent in order to trade the player in a sign-and-trade transaction, the player's new salary is greater than the minimum, he receives a raise greater than 20%, and the team is at or above the cap immediately after the signing, then the player's outgoing salary for trade purposes is either his previous salary or 50% of his new salary, whichever is greater. The team receiving the player always uses his new salary.

Since we'd be under, that doesn't apply. That and the Baynes deal combo gets us there. Impressive. Since we use the cap for Terry signing, we don't end up with any exceptions after, but we do the trade for the big first into cap space, instead of trying to use an exception to sign one later.

It's probably why Terry got so much. You/Zarren floated the starting salary number out, and we may even send some $ to CHA to help. That actually works quite well. I should actually do some work, but will have to run the #s later to see how big a big salary we could absorb. Would assume it would be roughly up to $15-16M + whoever we send out to stay just under the cap to sign Terry after.
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Re: Updated Poll: Now what 2 centers other than Robert Williams will the Celtics sign? 

Post#24 » by threrf23 » Mon Jul 1, 2019 6:04 pm

djFan71 wrote:And, the Blazers lost their mind and traded Leonard and Harkless for Whiteside....


I also don't get it. But in fairness to them, Leonard's a defensive liability, Harkless was expendable alongside Aminu, and Whiteside's expiring deal could come in handy for them at the deadline, after Nurkic returns.
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Re: Updated Poll: Now what 2 centers other than Robert Williams will the Celtics sign? 

Post#25 » by djFan71 » Mon Jul 1, 2019 6:11 pm

threrf23 wrote:
djFan71 wrote:And, the Blazers lost their mind and traded Leonard and Harkless for Whiteside....


I also don't get it. But in fairness to them, Leonard's a defensive liability, Harkless was expendable alongside Aminu, and Whiteside's expiring deal could come in handy for them at the deadline, after Nurkic returns.

Aminu is gone, too. They just lost their starting frontcourt and Leonard played great in the Ws series (probably not super-repeatable, though). Not sure why they just didn't give Kanter some money. Then you have easier contracts in Kanter, Leonard, Harkless to trade later. Seems like they are going towards the guards/wings/single big paradigm with re-upping Hood, adding Little, Hezonja.
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Re: Updated Poll: Now what 2 centers other than Robert Williams will the Celtics sign? 

Post#26 » by Green89 » Mon Jul 1, 2019 6:23 pm

I'm going to guess we sign Kanter.

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